[Doofy]

What a knobhead.

Discuss.

[BadKosh]

So like he feels he got caught with his pants down? He sat around and did nothing for over a week. Not a leadership model. Barry likens himself to Lincoln. Hes just an ideologue.

[turtle777]

Oh teh noes. We gots attacked by the Brits ?

-t

[Chongo]

It's just like 9/11, the explosion was an inside job. Rhambo said 'never waste a good crisis" (especially a manufactured one)

[ort888]

You guys know who I hate? Barrack Obama.

Who's with me? Anyone?

[andi*pandi]

I hope it won't take 10 years to clean up the gulf.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by andi*pandi 

I hope it won't take 10 years to clean up the gulf.

At an absolute minimum.

The way the f*cking morons from BP and the government act, it will take much longer.

-t

[TheoCryst]

Linky?

EDIT: Found one.

Originally Posted by Barack Obama

In the same way that our view of our vulnerabilities and our foreign policy was shaped profoundly by 9/11, I think this disaster is going to shape how we think about the environment and energy for many years to come.

[SpaceMonkey]

Next up: invade Britain. Fight them over there so we don't have to fight them here.

[CRASH HARDDRIVE]

Or make up excuses for them and blame ourselves.

[lpkmckenna]

Originally Posted by Barack Obama

In the same way that our view of our vulnerabilities and our foreign policy was shaped profoundly by 9/11, I think this disaster is going to shape how we think about the environment and energy for many years to come.

That makes complete sense. No wonder it bothered Doofy.

[hyteckit]

BP oil platform disaster, Obama's 9/11

Just think about it.

http://forums.macnn.com/95/political...2/#post3966461

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by lpkmckenna 

That makes complete sense. No wonder it bothered Doofy.

Doesn't bother me at all. In fact, I'm delighted that Barry is showing himself to be almost as much of a turd as you are, mckenna.

I hear it's bothering the 9/11 relatives though. That's something you can feel good about.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by andi*pandi 

I hope it won't take 10 years to clean up the gulf.

It'll take as long as Barry wants it to take.

[SpaceMonkey]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

Doesn't bother me at all. In fact, I'm delighted that Barry is showing himself to be almost as much of a turd as you are, mckenna.

I hear it's bothering the 9/11 relatives though. That's something you can feel good about.

So is this thread just an exercise in trolling for you?

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey 

So is this thread just an exercise in trolling for you?

This thread is about Barry's recent comments. Why are you and mckenna making it about me? Is that the best defence you can come up with for dear leader's comments or something?

[SpaceMonkey]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

This thread is about Barry's recent comments. Why are you and mckenna making it about me? Is that the best defence you can come up with for dear leader's comments or something?

Okay. I'll refer you to the actual quotation, which you neglected to include in your original post, which lpkmckenna supplied. The quotation seems pretty straight-forward to me. Nothing really controversial about it at all. But instead of engaging the new information that lpkmckenna provided, you called him a turd-smileyface. From your actions in this thread, it doesn't seem like you actually want to engage the topic, so I assume you are simply trolling. Why don't you tell us why you think the actual quotation is controversial?

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey 

Okay. I'll refer you to the actual quotation, which you neglected to include in your original post, which lpkmckenna supplied. The quotation seems pretty straight-forward to me. Nothing really controversial about it at all. But instead of engaging the new information that lpkmckenna provided, you called him a turd-smileyface. From your actions in this thread, it doesn't seem like you actually want to engage the topic, so I assume you are simply trolling. Why don't you tell us why you think the actual quotation is controversial?

I have no opinion on the topic. I was wanting to see what you boys made of it and how your answers correlate with the controversy it's generating in the press. I didn't include the quote because I wanted you to go look for it yourselves and observe said controversy.

But no, both of you start with the attacks. Good show.

[SpaceMonkey]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

I have no opinion on the topic. I was wanting to see what you boys made of it and how your answers correlate with the controversy it's generating in the press. I didn't include the quote because I wanted you to go look for it yourselves and observe said controversy.

But no, both of you start with the attacks. Good show.

Yes, I'm attacking you for pointing out that you made attacks and have contributed nothing to the topic. It's totally my fault.

By the way, maybe you want to brush up on your Political Lounge rules:

Eighth rule of the Political Lounge: No posting and running. Cutting and pasting of long articles with only a brief comment is not allowed. Please provide a link to the article (with a summary and/or excerpts if you so desire) and then give your opinion.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey 

Yes, I'm attacking you for pointing out that you made attacks and have contributed nothing to the topic. It's totally my fault.

I made no attacks. I made a defence when I was attacked by the turd.

And you're still attacking, rather than discussing the thread topic. Got nuthin' then?

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey 

By the way, maybe you want to brush up on your Political Lounge rules:

Maybe that rule is a shit rule.

[SpaceMonkey]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

I made no attacks. I made a defence when I was attacked by the turd.

Considering you opened the thread with, simply, "What a knobhead" I think you set the standard of debate for yourself. I think calling someone a "turd" is a bit of an overreaction to someone posting the actual material and noting how uncontroversial it is. I don't want to speak for lpmckenna, but I think his statement about you fits the bill because you didn't even bother to supply the material yourself, so what are we to think about your comprehension?

And you're still attacking, rather than discussing the thread topic. Got nuthin' then?

I already addressed the topic. I think Obama's statement is unambiguous and uncontroversial. I await your response.

Maybe that rule is a shit rule.

That may be, but you have to expect people to call you out on the rules that are in play, and not whine about being "attacked." The rules are the same for everybody. It's not a personal attack.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey 

Considering you opened the thread with, simply, "What a knobhead" I think you set the standard of debate for yourself.

It's my thread. I'll set the stage how I see fit, thanks.

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey 

I think calling someone a "turd" is a bit of an overreaction to someone posting the actual material and noting how uncontroversial it is.

No, mckenna gets called a turd because he is, in fact, a turd... ...who does nothing here but snipe at people. Go check his post history.

Now, he could have just as easily have said "That makes complete sense" and left it there, but no, he has to add "No wonder it bothered Doofy" to it because he's incapable of commenting or giving opinion without sniping at people. This is what makes mckenna, and your side of the political divide in general, a turd.

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey 

I don't want to speak for lpmckenna, but I think his statement about you fits the bill

Why? Am I in some way bothered? Where's your evidence for this?

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey 

because you didn't even bother to supply the material yourself, so what are we to think about your comprehension?

I've just told you why I didn't supply the material myself. Something wrong with your comprehension skills?

[SpaceMonkey]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

It's my thread. I'll set the stage how I see fit, thanks.

Then don't complain if someone responds in kind.

No, mckenna gets called a turd because he is, in fact, a turd... ...who does nothing here but snipe at people. Go check his post history.

Maybe you are right about his history. But it appears irrelevant to an outside observer.

Why? Am I in some way bothered? Where's your evidence for this?

I don't know what you mean by selecting that part of my sentence and responding with this.

I've just told you why I didn't supply the material myself. Something wrong with your comprehension skills?

Yes, I know that now. You wanted to push our buttons (most would call this trolling). I was explaining why lpkmckenna's response made sense to me before I had that context. It still makes sense to me because you haven't yet shown any interest in actually engaging the topic, despite my attempts in practically every post to return to it.

So, again, why do you think Obama's statement is controversial?

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey 

Then don't complain if someone responds in kind.

Attacking me because I comment on a public figure isn't "responding in kind" - it's being a turd.

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey 

I don't know what you mean by selecting that part of my sentence and responding with this.

He said: "No wonder it bothered Doofy"
You said: "I think his statement about you fits the bill"

Please show evidence that I'm "bothered" by Barry's statement. You agree with mckenna that I'm "bothered", so come on, please show which part of "What a knobhead. Discuss" is code for "I'm bothered about this".

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey 

So, again, why do you think Obama's statement is controversial?

Like I said, I'm not fussed either way - I want to see what your reactions are to it.

[The Final Dakar]

...and this is why rule 8 exists.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar 

...and this is why rule 8 exists.

Rule 8 is shit. It doesn't allow for people who want to solicit opinion in order to make their own minds up about a subject - it requires everyone to already have arrived at an opinion about every subject, which (if you think about it) is actually less conducive to sensible conversation than someone starting a thread with a clean slate.

[SpaceMonkey]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

Attacking me because I comment on a public figure isn't "responding in kind" - it's being a turd.

He said: "No wonder it bothered Doofy"
You said: "I think his statement about you fits the bill"

Please show evidence that I'm "bothered" by Barry's statement. You agree with mckenna that I'm "bothered", so come on, please show which part of "What a knobhead. Discuss" is code for "I'm bothered about this".

Now, I don't pretend to be an expert in "the Queen's English," but my impression is that usually when you call someone a "knobhead," it is because you disagree with them or find them objectionable in some way. One might say, in short, that they "bother" you.

Like I said, I'm not fussed either way - I want to see what your reactions are to it.

Great. Thread over.

[SpaceMonkey]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

Rule 8 is shit. It doesn't allow for people who want to solicit opinion in order to make their own minds up about a subject - it requires everyone to already have arrived at an opinion about every subject, which (if you think about it) is actually less conducive to sensible conversation than someone starting a thread with a clean slate.

Well, it worked great here.

I think it is possible to solicit opinions without violating Rule 8. For example, you can start a thread by asking informed, intelligent questions.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey 

Now, I don't pretend to be an expert in "the Queen's English," but my impression is that usually when you call someone a "knobhead," it is because you disagree with them or find them objectionable in some way. One might say, in short, that they "bother" you.

Sorry, no.

One's opinion of whether or not someone is a knobhead isn't related to whether or not they "bother" you.

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey 

Thread over.

Nope. Good try though.

What is your job in D.C. anyway? Which bit of the Dem propaganda machine do you work for? Damage control?

[The Final Dakar]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

Rule 8 is shit. It doesn't allow for people who want to solicit opinion in order to make their own minds up about a subject

That's because 9 times out of 10, the person doesn't want to solicit an opinion they can get called on, or just wants to stir the pot.

Personally, I find it hard to believe you don't have an opinion on this subject, particularly given that you call Obama a knobhead right off the bat.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey 

I think it is possible to solicit opinions without violating Rule 8. For example, you can start a thread by asking informed, intelligent questions.

And if a person doesn't have any informed, intelligent questions and is a completely blank slate on the subject?

[SpaceMonkey]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

Sorry, no.

One's opinion of whether or not someone is a knobhead isn't related to whether or not they "bother" you.

Well, now you're splitting hairs. Is it possible to think poorly of someone without their personally annoying you? Sure, I concede that. But the two are hardly exclusive. One interpretation of your first post could be that you are "bothered," so that is why the response seemed reasonable to me.

Nope. Good try though.

What is your job in D.C. anyway? Which bit of the Dem propaganda machine do you work for? Damage control?

No, I'm not involved in politics. I'm a minor functionary within the vast military-energy-industrial complex.

[SpaceMonkey]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

And if a person doesn't have any informed, intelligent questions and is a completely blank slate on the subject?

Well, then I would question why you would want to start a thread in the first place. A better course of action in my mind would be to start reading about the topic in order to get to some questions.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar 

Personally, I find it hard to believe you don't have an opinion on this subject, particularly given that you call Obama a knobhead right off the bat.

I have an opinion that Barry's a knobhead, sure.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey 

Well, now you're splitting hairs. Is it possible to think poorly of someone without their personally annoying you? Sure, I concede that. But the two are hardly exclusive.

I forgot that you colonials aren't in possession of stiff upper lips and as such can't separate such emotions. Sorry about that.

[SpaceMonkey]

Yes, British politics is famously dispassionate.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey 

Well, then I would question why you would want to start a thread in the first place. A better course of action in my mind would be to start reading about the topic in order to get to some questions.

The question is: "What do you guys think about this?".
So where do I start reading? Links to pages where MacNNers are relaying their thoughts about this subject please.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey 

Yes, British politics is famously dispassionate.

Outside a few fringe groups, yes it is. It might not look it to someone who doesn't understand the British character and social conventions (i.e. everyone taking the piss out of everything), but I assure you, it is.

[SpaceMonkey]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

The question is: "What do you guys think about this?".
So where do I start reading? Links to pages where MacNNers are relaying their thoughts about this subject please.

If literally all you want to know is what MacNNers are thinking about it, then I think Rule 8 needs to take priority in the interests of keeping the peace. But if, as you seemed to indicate, what you are after is simply an intelligent discussion about a topic without having to make a final stand about it first, then I think the approach I described has at least some hope of success.

[The Final Dakar]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

I have an opinion that Barry's a knobhead, sure.

Given that you posted that in a thread about his comment, its hard not to infer that what you were referring to. And if you weren't why the non sequitur?

[Doofy]

Of course, all of this bollocks which you guys are coming out with is also good research.

[The Final Dakar]

Good research into how not to start a thread? I'm pretty sure this research has been done before.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar 

Good research into how not to start a thread? I'm pretty sure this research has been done before.

Keep going - it's all good.

[The Final Dakar]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

Keep going - it's all good.

Yes Doofy, you've really painted us into a corner here. If I continue on this line of thought, I'm only "feeding" you research – material that's been done to death in the PL past and is fresh in no way whatsoever, and is totally not related to you stonewalling the general premise of the thread. Or I could address the subject at hand, and reward your ducking of the discussion. So I think I'll continue to play along with your charade that this post is somehow useful to you, even though this type of thread has happened a thousand time before.

You should really seek out a grant, universities would pay millions for the information and research you're culling here.

(BTW, I think the short entry into your log book could be summed up as "sarcasm")

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar 

Yes Doofy, you've really painted us into a corner here. If I continue on this line of thought, I'm only "feeding" you research – material that's been done to death in the PL past and is fresh in no way whatsoever, and is totally not related to you stonewalling the general premise of the thread. Or I could address the subject at hand, and reward your ducking of the discussion. So I think I'll continue to play along with your charade that this post is somehow useful to you, even though this type of thread has happened a thousand time before.

You should really seek out a grant, universities would pay millions for the information and research you're culling here.

(BTW, I think the short entry into your log book could be summed up as "sarcasm")

Keep it up Dak - I'm almost halfway towards a decent second verse here.

[The Final Dakar]

You're getting more transparent, Sherwin. You won't reach climax that way.

[Doofy]

I'm not sure whether to call the song "Pussy" or something else. What do you think, Dak?

[Demonhood]

Started with a Rule 8 violation and quickly devolved into name calling and other nonsense.

So, um, here's Bill Gates as a ninja: