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vmarks · Mar 23, 2004, 10:00 PM

Public opinion polls show that Israeli public opinion is running 3-1 in favor of the killing of terrorist leader Ahmed Yassin - despite the perceived short-ranger dangers.

A poll conducted yesterday evening by Maariv and "The New Wave" indicates that Israeli public opinion is running 3-1 in favor of the killing of arch-terrorist Yassin. 61% of the respondents - including Arabs - support the missile attack that rid the world of one of its most deadly murderers, while 21% thought Israel should not have killed the Hamas leader. This, despite the fact that most Israelis believe that Hamas will increase its terror attacks as a result: 55% believe terror will increase, 36% think it will not change, while only 9% see the level of terror decreasing. The question did not specify whether it referred to a short-, medium- or long-range time frame.

A Yediot Acharonot poll by Dr. Mina Tzemach showed similar results - although its questions specified both the long-term and the short-term: 81% feel that terrorism will increase in the short-term - while the public is divided approximately equally on whether it will increase, decrease or remain the same in the long run.

IDF Intelligence Chief Gen. Aharon Ze'evi-Farkash said today that he does not expect a significant increase in the number and extent of terrorist attacks in the wake of Yassin's death.

IDF Chief of Staff Lt.-Gen. Moshe Yaalon said today that the "reactions of Arafat and Hizbullah-chieftain Nasrallah to Yassin's killing show that they understand that they're also in line for the same treatment."

The Maariv poll found that 43% believe that Israel should now eliminate Arafat, while 38% object to such an operation.

-- http://www.israelnn.com/news.php3?id=59950 (Arutz Sheva News)

Logic · Mar 23, 2004, 10:05 PM

It said including arabs. But it doesn't say what the poll results were for just arabs. Was it two arabs? 10? 100? 1000?

Says absolutely nothing.

Then we have the fact that most are happy with this, but people don't believe this will make them safer.

It just makes me all warm and cosy inside that a "civilised" nation supports killing people, and support killing innocent bystanders while doing it. Just shows how very modern and civilized Israel has become.

Zimphire · Mar 23, 2004, 10:08 PM

It's just not the Israeli Jews that are happy it seems.

This guy was vile.

Not surprised.

macvillage.net · Mar 23, 2004, 10:42 PM

Originally posted by vmarks:
Public opinion polls show that Israeli public opinion is running 3-1 in favor of the killing of terrorist leader Ahmed Yassin - despite the perceived short-ranger dangers.

The rest of the world says "longterm", short-range, is rather skewed.

Logic · Mar 23, 2004, 10:48 PM

When are the next elections in Israel?

vmarks · Mar 23, 2004, 11:11 PM

Originally posted by Logic:
It said including arabs. But it doesn't say what the poll results were for just arabs. Was it two arabs? 10? 100? 1000?

Says absolutely nothing.

Then we have the fact that most are happy with this, but people don't believe this will make them safer.

It just makes me all warm and cosy inside that a "civilised" nation supports killing people, and support killing innocent bystanders while doing it. Just shows how very modern and civilized Israel has become.

In your effort to deny the results, you fail to read. 61% of the people surveyed including Arabs support the action. You'd like to spin it as 2 Arabs out of the 61%. That wouldn't be statistically relevant, yet the story says that it is. Sorry I can't quote you the maariv story on it, maariv has it only on the Hebrew side of their site so far.

Dahaf Institute who conducted the survey is one of the most reputable organizations for such work in that hemisphere of the world. The EU has used them for surveys repeatedly.

Apparently some Arabs realize this is good for them as well.

NO INNOCENT BYSTANDERS WERE KILLED incidental to Yassin's death. They were all likewise guilty, as he, his sons, and his bodyguards were all directly in contact with the terrorists Yassin had met with and encouraged.

As for safer, attacks would have continued with Yassin alive, and they will occur with Yassin dead, but the bulk of those are short term expectations. In the long run, this is beneficial thing, and Israel did the world a favor- Yassin had promised to take terrorism to the world again, outside of just Israel. Don't cry about this old man in the wheelchair, cry about the old man in the wheelchair that Abu Ala tossed over the side of the cruise ship Achille Lauro. The latter was an innocent, the first a threat to the world.

vmarks · Mar 23, 2004, 11:14 PM

Originally posted by Logic:
When are the next elections in Israel?

Either at the end of Sharon's term, or when Sharon fails to survive a vote of no confidence.

So far he has survived votes of no confidence, but his plan to withdraw from Gaza is having a difficult time getting support from both extreme left and right.

http://www.israelnn.com/news.php3?id=59867

Zimphire · Mar 23, 2004, 11:34 PM

Originally posted by vmarks:
NO INNOCENT BYSTANDERS WERE KILLED incidental to Yassin's death. They were all likewise guilty, as he, his sons, and his bodyguards were all directly in contact with the terrorists Yassin had met with and encouraged.

Heh, I did not know that. So much for taking out innocent victims.

As for safer, attacks would have continued with Yassin alive, and they will occur with Yassin dead, but the bulk of those are short term expectations. In the long run, this is beneficial thing, and Israel did the world a favor- Yassin had promised to take terrorism to the world again, outside of just Israel. Don't cry about this old man in the wheelchair, cry about the old man in the wheelchair that Abu Ala tossed over the side of the cruise ship Achille Lauro. The latter was an innocent, the first a threat to the world.

Indeed.

daimoni · 12:56 AM

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lil'babykitten · Mar 24, 2004, 09:14 AM

Originally posted by vmarks:
Public opinion polls show that Israeli public opinion is running 3-1 in favor of the killing of terrorist leader Ahmed Yassin - despite the perceived short-ranger dangers.

Wonderful news.

Zimphire · Mar 24, 2004, 09:23 AM

Originally posted by lil'babykitten:
Wonderful news.

While I would never celebrate his death, You don't get many fans being a hate spreading terrorist.

Logic · Mar 24, 2004, 09:38 AM

Originally posted by vmarks:
In your effort to deny the results, you fail to read. 61% of the people surveyed including Arabs support the action. You'd like to spin it as 2 Arabs out of the 61%. That wouldn't be statistically relevant, yet the story says that it is. Sorry I can't quote you the maariv story on it, maariv has it only on the Hebrew side of their site so far.

Dahaf Institute who conducted the survey is one of the most reputable organizations for such work in that hemisphere of the world. The EU has used them for surveys repeatedly.

Apparently some Arabs realize this is good for them as well.

First of all, I'm not trying to spin it. I'm looking at the data given and it is faulty. It says that 61% and that numbers includes arabs support the killing. That does in no way show what the number was for just arabs. If you can't understand that you should read up on statistics. Maybe the hebrew site shows it, but from what I have seen nothing in the numbers says that Israeli arabs support it.

NO INNOCENT BYSTANDERS WERE KILLED incidental to Yassin's death. They were all likewise guilty, as he, his sons, and his bodyguards were all directly in contact with the terrorists Yassin had met with and encouraged.

So you know what the 7-9 others who died did for a living and their names? Please share it with us.

As for safer, attacks would have continued with Yassin alive, and they will occur with Yassin dead, but the bulk of those are short term expectations. In the long run, this is beneficial thing, and Israel did the world a favor- Yassin had promised to take terrorism to the world again, outside of just Israel. Don't cry about this old man in the wheelchair, cry about the old man in the wheelchair that Abu Ala tossed over the side of the cruise ship Achille Lauro. The latter was an innocent, the first a threat to the world.

Got anything to back that up? That he wanted to take the terrorism to the outside world? Because from what I have read he was strongly against that.

And then you have no right to say who I should cry over. I think both murders were equally disgusting.

Logic · Mar 24, 2004, 09:40 AM

Originally posted by vmarks:
Either at the end of Sharon's term, or when Sharon fails to survive a vote of no confidence.

So far he has survived votes of no confidence, but his plan to withdraw from Gaza is having a difficult time getting support from both extreme left and right.

http://www.israelnn.com/news.php3?id=59867

So was this perhaps a political move to make him gain support so he can continue with the withdrawal from the occupied areas?

Logic · Mar 24, 2004, 09:41 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
While I would never celebrate his death, You don't get many fans being a hate spreading terrorist.

Sharon doesn't seem to lack fans though........

Zimphire · Mar 24, 2004, 09:59 AM

Originally posted by Logic:
Sharon doesn't seem to lack fans though........

You comparing this guy with Sharon tells me a lot about how you think.

eklipse · Mar 24, 2004, 10:04 AM

Since when did anyone care what the Arabs thought?

Logic · Mar 24, 2004, 10:04 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
You comparing this guy with Sharon tells me a lot about how you think.

Is there a difference between terrorists? Tell me what the difference is.

Zimphire · Mar 24, 2004, 10:15 AM

Originally posted by Logic:
Is there a difference between terrorists? Tell me what the difference is.

Because defending your country from terrorists, is terrorism how?

Nonsense. That top doesn't spin here.

Logic · Mar 24, 2004, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Because defending your country from terrorists, is terrorism how?

Nonsense. That top doesn't spin here.

Did you completely ignore my posts about Sharon's history of terrorism in the other thread we have on this issue? Read up on Unit 101 and the Stern Gang. Among several other things.

dcolton · Mar 24, 2004, 10:48 AM

It just makes me all warm and cosy inside that a "civilised" nation supports killing people, and support killing innocent bystanders while doing it. Just shows how very modern and civilized Israel has become.

You never cease to amaze me. You demonize Israel and apologize for the terrorists. Where does your moral compass point?

Logic · Mar 24, 2004, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by dcolton:
You never cease to amaze me. You demonize Israel and apologize for the terrorists. Where does your moral compass point?

In the right direction. The direction that condemns all murders. It is you who support killing people and not I.

Zimphire · Mar 24, 2004, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by Logic:
Did you completely ignore my posts about Sharon's history of terrorism in the other thread we have on this issue? Read up on Unit 101 and the Stern Gang. Among several other things.

No I read it. I also read vmarks post that totally debunked yours.

Zimphire · Mar 24, 2004, 11:11 AM

Originally posted by dcolton:
You never cease to amaze me. You demonize Israel and apologize for the terrorists. Where does your moral compass point?

I am not the only one that sees it.

Logic · Mar 24, 2004, 11:11 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
No I read it. I also read vmarks post that totally debunked yours.

In your opinion. That doesn't make it true though.

Zimphire · Mar 24, 2004, 11:15 AM

Originally posted by Logic:
In your opinion. That doesn't make it true though.

No, he indeed debunked you like he usually does. You being deluded about it doesn't change that fact.

Logic · Mar 24, 2004, 11:20 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
No, he indeed debunked you like he usually does. You being deluded about it doesn't change that fact.

Whatever. He didn't debunk anything but just shifted the topic a bit so people like you would be deluded into believing him.

But believe what you want.

Zimphire · Mar 24, 2004, 11:23 AM

Logic if God himself came and told you, yes, indeed vmarks just debunked you, you would deny it and call him deluded.

Wake up.

Unless you care to debunk his post piece by piece.

I'd like to see it. He did it to yours. All you have to say is "He shifted the topic a bit"

Put up or shut up.

daimoni · 12:57 AM

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Zimphire · Mar 24, 2004, 01:12 PM

Not only that, is negates the theory it's just the Jews hating the Muslims.

SubGeniux · Mar 24, 2004, 01:30 PM

vmarks - what was the percentage of the Arabs in the poll? I don't mean the poll in total which includes both Jewish, and Aab votes, but the Arab votes alone.

It's funny though, because I have virtually seen no Arab backing the killing of Yassin, moderate, or extreme. I sometimes wnder where you pull half of your information from, and why on earth you seem to surround yourself with such biased views.

macvillage.net · Mar 24, 2004, 01:35 PM

Originally posted by SubGeniux:
vmarks - what was the percentage of the Arabs in the poll? I don't mean the poll in total which includes both Jewish, and Aab votes, but the Arab votes alone.

It's funny though, because I have virtually seen no Arab backing the killing of Yassin, moderate, or extreme. I sometimes wnder where you pull half of your information from, and why on earth you seem to surround yourself with such biased views.

That's what the rest of the world is saying.

Even the whitehouse was "concerned" by the news. Sharon's biggest fan.

But there's always a media source that shows the info people like to see.

Look hard enough, and you will find what is otherwiese legitimate news source claming bush as over 90% approval rating. No joke. And you will find the contrary.

There many news sources that go nuts on the political part of news.

Just takes someone who needs to feel content with their own hatred to have the time/energy to find one of these sources, and use it as something to massage their ego with.

SubGeniux · Mar 24, 2004, 01:37 PM

I'd love to see a poll from a non-Israeli biased paper, vmarks. how about we poll Arab opinion in the West Bank, or Ghazah? Nah, let's broaden it to the Arab world. Do you think Palestinians are going to just turn around nowand support the method of using missiles to assassinate Aabs just because it got the particular person, who actually enjoyed plenty support throughout the Muslim world. Arabs who support the Israeli action of this type, are also supporting the use of fighter jets, and incursions into their land, so your reliance and eagernss in always putting all your faith into such things, will not bear out in time. That is being blind my friend.

SubGeniux · Mar 24, 2004, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by macvillage.net:
That's what the rest of the world is saying.

Even the whitehouse was "concerned" by the news. Sharon's biggest fan.

But there's always a media source that shows the info people like to see.

Look hard enough, and you will find what is otherwiese legitimate news source claming bush as over 90% approval rating. No joke. And you will find the contrary.

There many news sources that go nuts on the political part of news.

Just takes someone who needs to feel content with their own hatred to have the time/energy to find one of these sources, and use it as something to massage their ego with.

Yup, very true. Virtually every nation has utterly condemned Israel for this, as it sets another terrible precedence, The Eu has called it illegal, the UN too, every Arab nation, Japan, China, Muslim nations, Australia, etc. The only country to not outright condemn it, is surprise, surprise, the US. Which comes as no surprise though, and the last few days we have seen palestininans calling out for Israel to die, adn the US. Hmm, I wonder why the hatred for the US, it's not too hard to see. It's also somethign to note that we don't see Palestinians asking for the Philipinos to be killed, or Germans, or Brazilians, or anyone else, only Israel and the US. If you support a regime that murders peopel liek Israel does, then don't be surprised to see Muslims launching bombs on the mainland of the US, it's expected.

SubGeniux · Mar 24, 2004, 01:47 PM

Jewish voices against the killing of Yassin, and for Sharon to be indicted.

http://www.indybay.org/news/2004/03/1674847.php

macvillage.net · Mar 24, 2004, 01:49 PM

Originally posted by SubGeniux:
Yup, very true. Virtually every nation has utterly condemned Israel for this, as it sets another terrible precedence, The Eu has called it illegal, the UN too, every Arab nation, Japan, China, Muslim nations, Australia, etc. The only country to not outright condemn it, is surprise, surprise, the US. Which comes as no surprise though, and the last few days we have seen palestininans calling out for Israel to die, adn the US. Hmm, I wonder why the hatred for the US, it's not too hard to see. It's also somethign to note that we don't see Palestinians asking for the Philipinos to be killed, or Germans, or Brazilians, or anyone else, only Israel and the US. If you support a regime that murders peopel liek Israel does, then don't be surprised to see Muslims launching bombs on the mainland of the US, it's expected.

The whitehouse has somewhat endorsed it, but unique to this case is that it's "deeply concerned":
http://onenews.nzoom.com/onenews_det...04-1-9,00.html

vatican's reaction (as antisemetic as they are):
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...55E401,00.html

SubGeniux · Mar 24, 2004, 01:53 PM

Originally posted by macvillage.net:
The whitehouse has somewhat endorsed it, but unique to this case is that it's "deeply concerned":
http://onenews.nzoom.com/onenews_det...04-1-9,00.html
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Thanks for the link. I hope it's a sign of things to change with the US' policy towards Israel.

phoenixboy · Mar 24, 2004, 05:34 PM

Originally posted by vmarks:
NO INNOCENT BYSTANDERS WERE KILLED incidental to Yassin's death. They were all likewise guilty, as he, his sons, and his bodyguards were all directly in contact with the terrorists Yassin had met with and encouraged.

guilty of what? being anti israel? being muslims? spreading propaganda, maybe?

what is the penalty for such crimes in israel? death? no! i dind't think so!

again, arbitrary abuse of authority by those in power, i.e. hypocracy.

Logic · Mar 24, 2004, 05:39 PM

I'm still waiting to hear the results from just Israeli Arabs.

Anyone got anything on that?

macvillage.net · Mar 24, 2004, 06:01 PM

Originally posted by phoenixboy:
again, arbitrary abuse of authority by those in power, i.e. hypocracy.

It's not really hypocracy, since they don't say otherwise. If they said one thing, and did the other THEN it would by hypocracy. But they just do it, and gloat about it.

vmarks · Mar 24, 2004, 07:09 PM

Originally posted by phoenixboy:
guilty of what? being anti israel? being muslims? spreading propaganda, maybe?

what is the penalty for such crimes in israel? death? no! i dind't think so!

again, arbitrary abuse of authority by those in power, i.e. hypocracy.

Guilty of supporting and giving aid to terrorists. How complex is it? In the middle of a war launched by Yassin and those aiding him, they are legitimate targets.

Logic, go to the Dahaf institute, they are the ones that conducted the study.

Logic · Mar 24, 2004, 07:19 PM

Originally posted by vmarks:
Guilty of supporting and giving aid to terrorists. How complex is it? In the middle of a war launched by Yassin and those aiding him, they are legitimate targets.

Logic, go to the Dahaf institute, they are the ones that conducted the study.

I'll try that.

edit: wrong thread

must get some sleep.....

Logic · Mar 24, 2004, 07:46 PM

vmarks:

I can't find their site. Do you have a link so I can go check it out?

DeathToWindows · Mar 27, 2004, 01:29 PM

one less.

now can we dump shiron and his entire ****ing party? they're just human hemmhorids.