[TheSpaz]

Okay... folks here it is. Me and my friend were determined to track this bugger down. We both tried it ourselves and were able to go from Smooth transition, to really choppy and this is how we did it.

Every day at least, I'll slip and click an App I didn't want to launch, but rather than wait for it to launch and then quit it, I'll control-click the icon and choose "Force Quit" and it disappears.

Well if you do this 4 or 5 times, the Window Minimize Animation gets noticeably choppy or laggy. Try this a few times and see if the same thing happens to you.

So if you're getting coppy Minimize Effects, don't Force Quit Apps during launch.

Can anyone else confirm this? I tried it twice with the same results. To get the smooth transitions back just open Terminal and type the following line:

killall Dock

(Then press Enter or Return, don't worry this won't actually kill your Dock, it will restart it as if you logged out and logged back in again)

[gorickey]

Why multiple threads?

http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.p...hreadid=209577

[TheSpaz]

I wanted to make a new Announcment to attract new visitors. That other thread is old news to me and I kinda wanted people to look at this new news. It's like a specail announcement that I wanted to make... you know?

Were you able to duplicate the effect? I wanna see how many people can actually reproduce the problem. Cause I wanna make sure that it wasn't by chance.

[ul1984]

ive found out starting Xcode is great for reproducing this, with other smaller apps i have to start and force quit a few times to succedd, but with Xcode i have now reproduced it 5 times in a row.

[TheSpaz]

I'm soo glad to have tracked down the problem. Everyone who cares,
TELL APPLE ABOUT THIS SO WE CAN GET IT FIXED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE!:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/feedback/

It's a happy day for me!

[SMacTech]

I tried it, but could not produce the choppiness. This is on 450 cube, 1gb RAM 10.3.4, latest seed. I could not produce it on my MDD867 with 10.3.3 and 1gb RAM either.

[TheSpaz]

Do you have Quartz Extreme. It could be tied to that maybe. I HAVE Quartz Extreme... so I don't know what it's like without it.

[TheSpaz]

The same effect happens if an App crashes while it's launching and it disappears from the Dock shortly after it appears. Non-Panther-Compatible Apps sometimes do this and other corrupt Apps can do this.

I opened the Package Contents of iTunes and I took out the Contents/MacOS/iTunes file and tried to launch iTunes. Just as I thought... iTunes didn't croaked and the Choppy Window Minimize Animation appeared. Just another thing to look out for.

[SMacTech]

I don't have QE on the cube, but I do have it on the MDD867. What minimize effect are you using? I am using Scale.

[TheSpaz]

Maybe you're just not noticing... you gotta force quit a few apps WHILE they're still loading... bouncing... throbbing... whatever you have it set to.

It doesn't matter which effect you're using.

[cybergoober]

Not seeing it here, unless it's too subtle to notice in which case I couldn't care less. In fact I almost never minimize windows any way so�

This on a:
1.8 GHz Single Processor G5
NVidia GeForce FX 5200
512 MB RAM
Mac OS X 10.3.3 (7F44)

[ryju]

I've been force quitting accidentally launched apps since day one and I've never experienced such choppiness.

[guenter]

sounds like a memory leak. if you do this a view times most of your physical memory is occupied by the crashed apps and the finder has to swap by minimizing a window. so those who have a lot of physikal ram wont recognice this.

[Powaqqatsi]

Originally posted by ryju:
I've been force quitting accidentally launched apps since day one and I've never experienced such choppiness.

same here

[RooneyX]

Originally posted by guenter:
sounds like a memory leak.

aka Forgetful Welshman.

As in 'My operating systems got a forgetful welshman in it.'

Meaning 'The OS has a memory leak and apps are crashing like Welsh sheep diving off cliffs.'

[ul1984]

everyone that doesnt notice this, try this:

- copy TextEdit to your desktop
- right click on it and click "Show Package Contents"
- delete the file Contents/Resources/English.lproj/Edit.nib
- then launch it

after this minimizing windows should be choppy! (until you logout or kill the dock)

its VERY easy to see IMO.

[SMacTech]

Originally posted by ul1984:
everyone that doesnt notice this, try this:

- copy TextEdit to your desktop
- right click on it and click "Show Package Contents"
- delete the file Contents/Resources/English.lproj/Edit.nib
- then launch it

after this minimizing windows should be choppy! (until you logout or kill the dock)

its VERY easy to see IMO.

Not noticeable here at all, even with a 50% cpu% load. cube 450, no QE.

[bradoesch]

It's always choppy on my iMac DV.

[tooki]

I have a wild and crazy solution: Don't force-quit apps! Just wait for it to finish launching and then quit it. Force-quitting is a last-resort measure, and should be reserved for when no alternative remains.

tooki

[ryju]

Originally posted by ul1984:
everyone that doesnt notice this, try this:

- copy TextEdit to your desktop
- right click on it and click "Show Package Contents"
- delete the file Contents/Resources/English.lproj/Edit.nib
- then launch it

after this minimizing windows should be choppy! (until you logout or kill the dock)

its VERY easy to see IMO.

If I delete the file Edit.nib TextEdit will not launch. Must be cause I got rid of all the other localizations.

[ul1984]

Originally posted by ryju:
If I delete the file Edit.nib TextEdit will not launch. Must be cause I got rid of all the other localizations.

thats the idea, it shoudnt launch

by crashing during launch, it causes the minimize slowdown problem.

[cybergoober]

No seeing on this machine either

PowerBook G4 Titanium 867 MHz
512 MB RAM
Mac OS X 10.3.3 7F44


I tried the TextEdit thing and launched(?) it about 5 times. Still as smooth as ever�

We talking slow-mo minimize? Or just regular ol' minimize. Either way, nada.

[ginoledesma]

iBook G4/800/640MB

No chopiness on my part, either. Except for XCode... that always slows things down a bit. I'm not sure if an app's memory footprint matters. Apps like TextEdit, Fire, iChat, Mail, and Safari don't show the slowdown as described above, but something like GoLive does make the dock effect jerky.

One sure fire way to slowdown my iBook is to launch multiple apps at the same time (like 8-10 of them).

[MindFad]

Yep, launching FireWorks, then quickly force-quitting produces the bug. I knew how to fix, just never knew what the problem was. Hopefully Apple fixes it.

[ul1984]

i have now tested this on three different machines with the modified TextEdit, and it works on every single one of them.

this is the machines that i tested (they all run 10.3.3)
- PB 15" 1.25
- iMac 15" G4 800
- iMac DV G3 400

these machines have completly difference grafic cards, rad9600, gf2mx, that both use QE, and a r128 that dont use QE, and it still happens exactly the same on all machines.

im now quite convinced this happens on ALL machines that run 10.3

for those who still doesnt see this, one thing worth noticing is that, minimzing does get choppy, but "de-minimizing" is still smooth, so minimize and "de-minimize" the same window a few times, and you should see that it isnt smooth in the minimize direction.

[xe0]

Originally posted by TheSpaz:
Can anyone else confirm this? I tried it twice with the same results. To get the smooth transitions back just open Terminal and type the following line:

killall Dock

Totally.
Just as you said. I have noticed this problem for sometime. I thought it was due to the physical ram- however even after beefing up to a Gig of ram on my G5 dualie, the choppy windows still appear occasionally.

undoubtedly a bug in 10.3 which needs to be fixed. I agree with you about contacting Apple as well; it is one small thing that does annoy me and probably about the only gripe I have with 10.3... well apart from Networking

http://www.apple.com/macosx/feedback/

[TheSpaz]

Yay, now we're getting somewhere!

[proton]

I can't reproduce this on a G5 1.8 GHz, 1.5 GB RAM.

- proton

[SMacTech]

Originally posted by ul1984:
im now quite convinced this happens on ALL machines that run 10.3

You can't convince me, because it doesn't happen on my pismo, cube, mdd867 and a QS 733 using the examples provided above to induce the bug.
That of course doesn't mean it doesn't occur for you and others.

[msuper69]

Originally posted by ul1984:
im now quite convinced this happens on ALL machines that run 10.3

Doesn't happen on any of my 4 Macs all running 10.3.3. I would politely suggest that you insert the words "of my" between "ALL" and "machines" in the above statement.

[TheSpaz]

I can reproduce this problem on any Mac running Panther. Seriously... RAM doesn't matter, speed doesn't matter. The problem appears... either you didn't force quit the Apps while they were still bouncing... or you just can't see the difference. I can definitely see the difference and it's WAY noticable.

[jessejlt]

You can also make this same "bug" appear if you press:
apple + option + ctrl + tab + t + u + & + F6 + delete + home + *
But you must hold your breath and cross your eyes while doing this! I'm so happy I tracked down this bug! oyoyoyoyuoy oink oink
roflmao
jesse ;-)

[d0ubled0wn]

I noticed my terminal window was choppy on minimize, but I haven't force quit any apps. I tried the killall Dock and it's all smoothie now. So force quitting apps isn't the only cause of the choppy minimize.

[msuper69]

Originally posted by jessejlt:
You can also make this same "bug" appear if you press:
apple + option + ctrl + tab + t + u + & + F6 + delete + home + *
But you must hold your breath and cross your eyes while doing this! I'm so happy I tracked down this bug! oyoyoyoyuoy oink oink
roflmao
jesse ;-)

Very amusing post.

ha ha ha

[madmacgames]

Originally posted by jessejlt:
oyoyoyoyuoy oink oink

my friend, I think you have the wrong forum. The forum for pigs, jackasses, and other such forms of life is the next street down.