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Eug Wanker · Nov 22, 2003, 12:55 AM

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/34141.html

Both MyTunes and QTFairUse will capture exact copies of streamed iTunes music. MyTunes came out a month ago, and QTFairUse came out today from somebody else. Both are free.

Apple cannot be happy.

King Bob On The Cob · Nov 22, 2003, 12:59 AM

things like that have been availible on the Mac since the day streaming started.

Steve · Nov 22, 2003, 01:11 AM

MyTunes was a POS. I'm trying out this QTFairUse now.

Eug Wanker · Nov 22, 2003, 01:22 AM

Originally posted by King Bob On The Cob:
things like that have been availible on the Mac since the day streaming started.

If you're talking about recording software, this is different. These apps capture the raw data. I've tried neither though.

benb · Nov 22, 2003, 01:26 AM

QTFairUse? Ha. That's like me selling free cable and calling it TVFairUse.

I hope they are both put out of action by legal means.

Cipher13 · Nov 22, 2003, 01:29 AM

Originally posted by benb:
QTFairUse? Ha. That's like me selling free cable and calling it TVFairUse.

I hope they are both put out of action by legal means.

Already downloaded them, it's too late.

Axo1ot1 · Nov 22, 2003, 02:02 AM

Originally posted by benb:
QTFairUse? Ha. That's like me selling free cable and calling it TVFairUse.

I hope they are both put out of action by legal means.

At the same time I hope Sony gets put out of business. The fact that you can tape record songs from the radio and shows from TV is outrageous and deplorable.

King Bob On The Cob · 02:22 AM

Originally posted by Eug Wanker:
If you're talking about recording software, this is different. These apps capture the raw data. I've tried neither though.

Never heard of iBug or any of those "other" iTunes streaming recording programs? (they capture the raw stream to save as a file on your computer.)

JonLech · Nov 22, 2003, 02:17 AM

Originally posted by Eug Wanker:
Both MyTunes and QTFairUse will capture exact copies of streamed iTunes music.

Not quite.

MyTunes downloads music which is streamed by iTunes.

QTFairUse saves to disk the raw AAC data which QuickTime is decoding.

Eug · Nov 22, 2003, 02:21 AM

Originally posted by JonLech:
Not quite.

MyTunes downloads music which is streamed by iTunes.

QTFairUse saves to disk the raw AAC data which QuickTime is decoding.

I'm not sure I follow you. Isn't the effect the same?

"MyTunes allows you to obtain the exact original file, unlike "stream capturers", which record audio as it's streaming and save the recorded audio to disk."

JonLech · Nov 22, 2003, 02:21 AM

Originally posted by benb:
QTFairUse? Ha. That's like me selling free cable and calling it TVFairUse.

QTFairUse doesn't give you access to music which you don't already have access to.

JonLech · Nov 22, 2003, 02:27 AM

Originally posted by Eug:
"MyTunes allows you to obtain the exact original file, unlike "stream capturers", which record audio as it's streaming and save the recorded audio to disk."

Sometimes you want access to the raw AAC data and not the exact original file.

Xeo · Nov 22, 2003, 04:03 AM

So can this be used to remove the DRM from iTMS songs? By capturing the "raw AAC data" it keeps the same quality, right?

Kenneth · Nov 22, 2003, 04:10 AM

ok.. I'm not gonna turn on my iTunes sharing anymore even with password protected.

Living in a college dorm. many wicko here.

Eug · 11:02 AM

Originally posted by Xeo:
So can this be used to remove the DRM from iTMS songs? By capturing the "raw AAC data" it keeps the same quality, right?

I have never used these programs, but it sounds like yes.

Definitely yes for QTFairUse. Not so sure for MyTunes.

The problem with QTFairUse though is it apparently doesn't repackage the raw data in a usable form. To make use of it you have to repackage it. See here.

willed · Nov 22, 2003, 11:03 AM

Originally posted by Xeo:
So can this be used to remove the DRM from iTMS songs? By capturing the "raw AAC data" it keeps the same quality, right?

No, because you never have been able to stream iTMS songs have you? (although I might be wrong here, not being able to use iTMS and all)

wataru · Nov 22, 2003, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by willed:
No, because you never have been able to stream iTMS songs have you? (although I might be wrong here, not being able to use iTMS and all)

Yes, you can stream them if you have the password. The idea here isn't that someone else will steal your purchased music, it's that you can remove the copy protection on your purchased music and thereby distribute it to other people.

benb · Nov 22, 2003, 01:12 PM

Originally posted by Axo1ot1:
At the same time I hope Sony gets put out of business. The fact that you can tape record songs from the radio and shows from TV is outrageous and deplorable.

Not even the same thing. You didn't buy your TV shows with a DRM scheme and a license attached that you willfully agreed to. You want to capture internet radio with these apps, that's one thing. But the main purpose of QTFairUse will be to convert DRM AAC to non-DRM AAC. That is completely different than taping TV.

So calling it "Fair Use"? Fair use would be abiding by the terms you agreed to when you bought the music.

benb · Nov 22, 2003, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by JonLech:
QTFairUse doesn't give you access to music which you don't already have access to.

No kidding. But it allows you to circumvent DRM that you willfully agreed to when you purchased the music.

joe_kr · Nov 23, 2003, 01:54 AM

There's a bit of confusion about QTFairUse vs MyTunes.

But they are dramatically different.

Read This to understand what QTFairUse does.

MyTunes does _nothing_ to DRM files.

cpt kangarooski · Nov 23, 2003, 03:17 AM

Originally posted by benb:
Not even the same thing. You didn't buy your TV shows with a DRM scheme and a license attached that you willfully agreed to. You want to capture internet radio with these apps, that's one thing. But the main purpose of QTFairUse will be to convert DRM AAC to non-DRM AAC. That is completely different than taping TV.

So calling it "Fair Use"? Fair use would be abiding by the terms you agreed to when you bought the music.

Actually it's pretty much exactly the same situation in that no one really gives a rat's ass about the EULA should it come down to some sort of suit; the copyright action is much juicer. And also applies to most internet radio AFAIK. (I never really use it though)

Anyway, fair use has nothing to do with abiding by the EULA -- fair use is what's fair under copyright law; a sort of equitable catch-all exception to copyright that is intended to prevent copyright from harming what it is intended to aid.

If there's a contract involved, that just means that it's _still_ fair use if it ever was, just that perhaps you willingly gave up your right to make fair use. Do you understand? The character of the use is constant, regardless of whether or not you're allowed to undertake it under a contract.