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"Porn is for losers"? But what about Birth Control and Vasectomies, are they cool?
Anderson's apparent hypocrisy aside, is she wrong? I think it is far too prominent in our society, and certain types of it are potentially deleterious psychologically (particularly the rape fetish, "jailbait", and abuse-focused varieties) and people should be educated on the dangerous mental side effects of their regular consumption. I know that I've been much more sexually healthy since I stopped watching it (my sex life has become more satisfying), and it's no longer a preoccupation, I no longer waste time searching for it. I'm not saying it should be banned, nor should people be brow-beaten for consuming it, but I do believe there's a problem in society. This doesn't even begin to touch on the issues within the porn industry itself and how destructive its production can be for the performers, either.
Opinions?
"I have a dream, that my four little children will one day live in a
nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin,
but by the content of their character." - M.L.King Jr
I recommend staying away from the "Facebook Live" page. Someone posted in the convention threads mocking the inclusion of porn as a public health crisis. I know from experience it poisons the soul. It warps how men see women.
One Immaculate Heart radio ad says that "Once, it took time, money, and effort to find porn. Now it takes time, money, and effort to avoid it."
The worst thing about it is that its how kids are learning now. So girls are learning double penetration and facials are perfectly normal behaviour. Not to mention all the slapping, gagging and choking. And the boys are learning to ask for those things. Or to just do them without asking.
I have plenty of more important things to do, if only I could bring myself to do them....
Personally I think that the root of the problem is that when so much of regular advertising is based around selling through sex and nudity, porn has to be one step beyond to be exciting. This is why the creepy stuff is becoming less fringe and more mainstream - and yes, I think that that is a problem. But don't ask me what the solution is.
The new Mac Pro has up to 30 MB of cache inside the processor itself. That's more than the HD in my first Mac. Somehow I'm still running out of space.
The worst thing about it is that its how kids are learning now. So girls are learning double penetration and facials are perfectly normal behaviour. Not to mention all the slapping, gagging and choking. And the boys are learning to ask for those things. Or to just do them without asking.
The last discussion on this was prompted by the idea there needs to be a "parent approved" porn site you can send your kids too. I'm personally bothered (and not at all turned on) by the seeming popularity of really "aggressive" porn.
I have something of an issue with tamer porn. I think it's a particularly nasty form of exploitation akin to reality TV, but I choose to ignore that aspect as a consumer.
Also mentioned in that old thread, IME regular actors are completely ****ed in the head. I somehow doubt that gets better in the porn industry.
Personally I think that the root of the problem is that when so much of regular advertising is based around selling through sex and nudity, porn has to be one step beyond to be exciting. This is why the creepy stuff is becoming less fringe and more mainstream - and yes, I think that that is a problem. But don't ask me what the solution is.
With the ease of access to all sorts of content, we just need to adapt parenting and teach our kids how to behave online. That's not just limited to how to deal with porn, but also all sorts of other content, and should also address what kind of personal information you upload. (The substantially younger siblings of a friend of mine posted all sorts of party pictures for a while to Facebook. Unless you set your privacy settings just right, future employers and other people may check your online profiles for such things.)
Originally Posted by subego
The last discussion on this was prompted by the idea there needs to be a "parent approved" porn site you can send your kids too. I'm personally bothered (and not at all turned on) by the seeming popularity of really "aggressive" porn.
As long as all sorts of questionable content is just around the corner, I don't think “approved” sites will be of any use to tackle this problem.
I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
It was kind of a silly idea, but I think there's some validity to it.
Think of it like one of the approaches to drinking. The ones where parents let their kids do some supervised drinking before they're of legal age.
That doesn't necessarily stop them from drinking and/or over-drinking on their own, but with a well-adjusted kid who doesn't have a predisposition to alcoholism, it makes going off the deep end less attractive, and starts in with the distinction there is a deep end, which is a tougher distinction to make when the whole kit and caboodle is framed as "thou shalt not, period".
With the ease of access to all sorts of content, we just need to adapt parenting and teach our kids how to behave online. That's not just limited to how to deal with porn, but also all sorts of other content, and should also address what kind of personal information you upload. (The substantially younger siblings of a friend of mine posted all sorts of party pictures for a while to Facebook. Unless you set your privacy settings just right, future employers and other people may check your online profiles for such things.)
It was suggested perhaps children should have an "alt" online identity when they're younger, and not slip into the real one until they're adults.
Give them a little more room to fail at things.
Not sure if I think this is the best route, but it makes for interesting discussion.
I read a few years ago there was a push for a .xxx domain for adult sites. All adult sites would be required to use .xxx or get shut down. I don't remember if it was setup.
I read a few years ago there was a push for a .xxx domain for adult sites. All adult sites would be required to use .xxx or get shut down. I don't remember if it was setup.
There were two different proposals. One was the .xxx domain, which was a proposal for a new domain to let porn site operators register under if they wished. This was initially supported by porn site operators but opposed by various holier-than-thou politicians. I lost track of it after that, but according to Wikipedia it was set up but is run by a domain operator who is feuding with the porn site operators, so few use it.
The other proposal was "clean port 80", which was an initiative in the US to push all porn off of port 80, the TCP port normally used by web traffic. The idea was boneheaded to begin with - to use that to filter anything, you'd have to close all other ports, including ports for vital services like email (25) and ports normally used for network management - and it eventually died. I only remember because some of the holier-than-thou politicians who supported "clean port 80" were opposed to the .xxx domain, which always struck me as hilarious.
The new Mac Pro has up to 30 MB of cache inside the processor itself. That's more than the HD in my first Mac. Somehow I'm still running out of space.
It was kind of a silly idea, but I think there's some validity to it.
Think of it like one of the approaches to drinking. The ones where parents let their kids do some supervised drinking before they're of legal age.
I don't think that's silly at all, it's the way it works in Europe: you start drinking while you're still living at home which allows your parents to influence your decisions to some degree. When you move out, you usually have enough experience with alcohol so that you know when to stop.
Originally Posted by subego
It was suggested perhaps children should have an "alt" online identity when they're younger, and not slip into the real one until they're adults.
Give them a little more room to fail at things.
Not sure if I think this is the best route, but it makes for interesting discussion.
I'm not sure what else to do? If we pretend these things don't exist, and make no attempt to prepare their frame of mind, then children and teenagers will be in less of a position than if we had prepared them. Because the question isn't if they access, say, porn sites, but when. Plus, at the same time, a lot of useless societal conventions get swept out the door, too.
I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
I read a few years ago there was a push for a .xxx domain for adult sites. All adult sites would be required to use .xxx or get shut down. I don't remember if it was setup.
Even if that were made US law, why should websites based in other countries adhere to that? Different countries have very different ideas of what is and isn't appropriate.
I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
The last discussion on this was prompted by the idea there needs to be a "parent approved" porn site you can send your kids to.
I'm surprised this hasn't been tried. I'm not sure it would succeed given the attitude of the US Christian right when it comes to sex education, but it could do a lot of good. Not just cold instructions on contraception or the mechanics but a demonstration of a respectful, communicative approach.
I have plenty of more important things to do, if only I could bring myself to do them....
I'm surprised this hasn't been tried. I'm not sure it would succeed given the attitude of the US Christian right when it comes to sex education, but it could do a lot of good.
I think too many people would view this as encouraging or endorsing porn, and as you write this wouldn't jive with conservative Christians who even have a problem with teaching birth control properly.
I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
Anderson's apparent hypocrisy aside, is she wrong? I think it is far too prominent in our society, and certain types of it are potentially deleterious psychologically (particularly the rape fetish, "jailbait", and abuse-focused varieties) and people should be educated on the dangerous mental side effects of their regular consumption. I know that I've been much more sexually healthy since I stopped watching it (my sex life has become more satisfying), and it's no longer a preoccupation, I no longer waste time searching for it. I'm not saying it should be banned, nor should people be brow-beaten for consuming it, but I do believe there's a problem in society. This doesn't even begin to touch on the issues within the porn industry itself and how destructive its production can be for the performers, either.
Opinions?
I'm not against porn, but I think it is desensitizing our expectations, like anything else done in excess.
"Faster, faster! 'Till the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death." - HST
Anderson's apparent hypocrisy aside, is she wrong? I think it is far too prominent in our society, and certain types of it are potentially deleterious psychologically (particularly the rape fetish, "jailbait", and abuse-focused varieties) and people should be educated on the dangerous mental side effects of their regular consumption. I know that I've been much more sexually healthy since I stopped watching it (my sex life has become more satisfying), and it's no longer a preoccupation, I no longer waste time searching for it. I'm not saying it should be banned, nor should people be brow-beaten for consuming it, but I do believe there's a problem in society. This doesn't even begin to touch on the issues within the porn industry itself and how destructive its production can be for the performers, either.
Opinions?
Let me ask you this: when you were viewing porn, when you encountered a woman, did you see her as a woman or did you have her in a porn scene running in your mind?
Let me ask you this: when you were viewing porn, when you encountered a woman, did you see her as a woman or did you have her in a porn scene running in your mind?
That's like asking if you come up to a person you shoot in Call of Duty....
Let me ask you this: when you were viewing porn, when you encountered a woman, did you see her as a woman or did you have her in a porn scene running in your mind?
The thing is we are adults and can separate fiction from reality.
PS Also Japanese porn is real, some of it is just pixelated.
I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
As a minister (and a member of the Christian right...ish), I was initially compelled to stay out of this thread.
However...just a few things:
Originally Posted by osiris
I'm not against porn, but I think it is desensitizing our expectations, like anything else done in excess.
Originally Posted by starman
I think of porn like video games. It's not real, and if you think it is, that's your problem.
Originally Posted by Chongo
Let me ask you this: when you were viewing porn, when you encountered a woman, did you see her as a woman or did you have her in a porn scene running in your mind?
Originally Posted by starman
That's like asking if you come up to a person you shoot in Call of Duty....
It's not real, kids.
osiris: Yep. Guys who are addicted to porn have gotten married, been completely dissatisfied with "real" sex, and have ruined their marriages almost immediately. Once it happened within 10 days. I can't divulge specific details, but he basically couldn't even muster up the ability to have sex without going through the weirdest routine I've ever heard in my life, and it involved something incredibly dehumanizing for the wife. He probably entered into his addiction with other problems, but porn definitely made it worse.
It wasn't an isolated case. We've had literally dozens of relationships turn south at least in part because porn affected expectations in regards to both performance and body image.
starman and Chongo: When I play an FPS, I'm doing something that I could never muster up the courage to do to an innocent person. Scratch that...I could never even (willingly) join the military because killing another is in direct contradiction with my values.
Seeing an attractive woman in public and envisioning sex with her is completely different. Not because it's compatible with my personal value system (preemptively cutting off the joke here), but because a sexual encounter is, to varying degrees, definitely possible.
osiris: Yep. Guys who are addicted to porn have gotten married, been completely dissatisfied with "real" sex, and have ruined their marriages almost immediately. Once it happened within 10 days. I can't divulge specific details, but he basically couldn't even muster up the ability to have sex without going through the weirdest routine I've ever heard in my life, and it involved something incredibly dehumanizing for the wife. He probably entered into his addiction with other problems, but porn definitely made it worse.
I can only speculate, but I have to wonder if these are people who were raised in a place where sex was taboo, so they used porn as their teacher. Or if they were virgins who had no experience in sex until marriage.
Do you belive there are no victims in the production of pornography?
There are also victims in the construction business — and any other business for that matter. That doesn't automatically taint the whole business. What's bad about people who decide that they would prefer to have sex for money than to be a cashier at a super market?
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I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
osiris: Yep. Guys who are addicted to porn have gotten married, been completely dissatisfied with "real" sex, and have ruined their marriages almost immediately. Once it happened within 10 days.
But then porn isn't the problem, their inability to separate fiction from reality is. Or (since I don't know, don't want to know, the specifics) his wife wasn't a match for his type of sexuality — and vice versa. That means their relationship couldn't have worked out. How much sexual experience has this guy had prior to entering marriage? I suspect this might be a major factor here.
Originally Posted by Jawbone54
It wasn't an isolated case. We've had literally dozens of relationships turn south at least in part because porn affected expectations in regards to both performance and body image.
This all sounds these people did not know what they like in the bed room, and check whether they are sexually compatible before getting married. (Correct me if I am wrong, though.) Porn can be an inspiration, but you need to be careful, because sexual behavior that is rare in real life can seem main stream in porn.
Originally Posted by Jawbone54
starman and Chongo: When I play an FPS, I'm doing something that I could never muster up the courage to do to an innocent person. Scratch that...I could never even (willingly) join the military because killing another is in direct contradiction with my values.
Seeing an attractive woman in public and envisioning sex with her is completely different. Not because it's compatible with my personal value system (preemptively cutting off the joke here), but because a sexual encounter is, to varying degrees, definitely possible.
Apart from cheating being a lesser moral hurdle to jump over than killing another human being, I don't see how the two are different.
I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
"I have a dream, that my four little children will one day live in a
nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin,
but by the content of their character." - M.L.King Jr
Who end up with STDs, addicted to drugs, and suicidal. How many times over the last few years have we seen news that there is an "industry shut down" because it's been discovered someone knew that they had an STD and kept quiet.
Who end up with STDs, addicted to drugs, and suicidal
Lots of people from all walks of life.
The Electricians apprentice I worked with last week has a huge heroin problem, and he was recently arrested for petty theft. Soldiers are killing themselves at a record pace.
This country's puritanical views on sex are only surpassed by its' lust for gratuitous violence.
Who end up with STDs, addicted to drugs, and suicidal. How many times over the last few years have we seen news that there is an "industry shut down" because it's been discovered someone knew that they had an STD and kept quiet.
BTW, what happened to all antiporn feminists?
So this only happens to porn people?
Note: lots of porn stars don't have a problem.
Note2: Wall Street bankers get addicted to coke. Your point?
The Electricians apprentice I worked with last week has a huge heroin problem, and he was recently arrested for petty theft. Soldiers are killing themselves at a record pace.
This country's puritanical views on sex are only surpassed by its' lust for gratuitous violence.
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