[Taliesin]

Here is a report by BBC on it:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3956731.stm

Taliesin

[typoon]

It's nice to see Amnesty International condemning the terrorists for beheading people.

[Logic]

Originally posted by typoon:
It's nice to see Amnesty International condemning the terrorists for beheading people.

5 seconds later:

http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/ENGMDE140212004

[typoon]

Originally posted by Logic:
5 seconds later:

http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/ENGMDE140212004

Like I said it's nice to see them codemning them.

[Taliesin]

Originally posted by typoon:
It's nice to see Amnesty International condemning the terrorists for beheading people.

But the problem is the terrorists haven't signed any treaties like the geneva conventions. On top of that they haven't started the war.

The only basis then left to condemn the terrorists that behead prisoners in Iraq is ironically the islamic religion and the Quran, since that's the only treaty they have signed, so to speak, since they claim to be muslims and to lead a religiously motivated defensive war against infidels, that are attacking or invading them.

The islamic religion and the Quran prohibits the maltreatement of prisoners, and the using of them as a mean to deter or to scare the enemy. Prisoners should instead be used to exchange against prisoners that the enemy has made, and as long as they are prisoners they should be treated humanely and with respect.

Taliesin

[aberdeenwriter]

Originally posted by Taliesin:
But the problem is the terrorists haven't signed any treaties like the geneva conventions. On top of that they haven't started the war.

The only basis then left to condemn the terrorists that behead prisoners in Iraq is ironically the islamic religion and the Quran, since that's the only treaty they have signed, so to speak, since they claim to be muslims and to lead a religiously motivated defensive war against infidels, that are attacking or invading them.

The islamic religion and the Quran prohibits the maltreatement of prisoners, and the using of them as a mean to deter or to scare the enemy. Prisoners should instead be used to exchange against prisoners that the enemy has made, and as long as they are prisoners they should be treated humanely and with respect.

Taliesin

The US people condemn prison abuses. The US government condemns the prison abuses and has tried, convicted and imprisoned the individuals responsible for the prison abuses.

Next?

[Saad]

Originally posted by Taliesin:
The islamic religion and the Quran prohibits the maltreatement of prisoners, and the using of them as a mean to deter or to scare the enemy. Prisoners should instead be used to exchange against prisoners that the enemy has made, and as long as they are prisoners they should be treated humanely and with respect.

Taliesin

We might have opened a pandora's box of troubles for those foreigners and allies with the interim government in Iraq by allowing an enviroment in which the abuses could take place.

[aberdeenwriter]

Originally posted by Logic:
5 seconds later:

http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/ENGMDE140212004

"If Bush says we hate freedom, let him tell us why we didn't attack Sweden, for example. OBL 29th oct

Maybe he prefers IKEA furniture for his cave?

Maybe he trots around his terrorist training camps to ABBA tunes?

Why didn't he attack Iraq, France or any other country?

Because the United States is THE champion of freedom. In his fantasy ideology the US is like Viagra to him.

EDIT: Ooops, I was listening to the Michael Savage radio show and he pointed out that fundamental Islamic terrorist (alQaeda and others) groups ARE fighting in 15 different countries from "Thailand to Tunisia."

[Saad]

Originally posted by aberdeenwriter:
"If Bush says we hate freedom, let him tell us why we didn't attack Sweden, for example. OBL 29th oct

Maybe he prefers IKEA furniture for his cave?

Maybe he trots around his terrorist training camps to ABBA tunes?

Why didn't he attack Iraq, France or any other country?

Because the United States is THE champion of freedom. In his fantasy ideology the US is like Viagra to him.

The US has not been the exclusive protecter and purveyor of freedom an good in the world, nor has it been the exclusive target of fundamentalist Islam. Munich, Moscow, Rome, Zurich, Lodi, Athens, Belgrade, Belfast, Sarvajevo, Madrid, Beunes Aires, Theran, Jakarta and Beslan have all been targetted by Islamic extremists.

[aberdeenwriter]

Originally posted by Saad:
The US has not been the exclusive protecter and purveyor of freedom an good in the world, nor has it been the exclusive target of fundamentalist Islam. Munich, Moscow, Rome, Zurich, Lodi, Athens, Belgrade, Belfast, Sarvajevo, Madrid, Beunes Aires, Theran, Jakarta and Beslan have all been targetted by Islamic extremists.

I stand corrected. Thank you.

(Lodi, KALEEFORNYA???)

[Saad]

Originally posted by aberdeenwriter:
I stand corrected. Thank you.

(Lodi, KALEEFORNYA???)

Lodi, Italy
http://www.provincia.lodi.it/01_Home...?IDCategoria=1

[Saad]

Come to think of it, Paris has been the target of several attacks.

[aberdeenwriter]

Originally posted by Saad:
Come to think of it, Paris has been the target of several attacks.

If so, then why-oh-why are we the ones so concerned with prosecuting the WOT?

BTW, this line of discussion is waaay off topic.

[Saad]

Originally posted by aberdeenwriter:
If so, then why-oh-why are we the ones so concerned with prosecuting the WOT?

BTW, this line of discussion is waaay off topic.

Because Iraqis pose little threat to the French. The didn't pose much of a threat to the US, but we fixed that. 8,000 US casulaties and counting...

[Saad]

Originally posted by Saad:
Because Iraqis pose little threat to the French. The didn't pose much of a threat to the US, but we fixed that. 8,000 US casulaties and counting...

They are assisting in other facets of the war on terror. As are all the other countries I listed.

[Taliesin]

Originally posted by aberdeenwriter:
The US people condemn prison abuses. The US government condemns the prison abuses and has tried, convicted and imprisoned the individuals responsible for the prison abuses.

Next?

I remember to have read that Rumsfeld has ordered a juridical assessment, if there is a legal possibility to use the president's direct order to torture to circumvent the prohibition of torture, that is signed witht he geneva conventions. The idea was that the president was not bound to the conventions. So, it is obvious from that, that higher rankings up to Rumsfeld and maybe even the president and numerous secret agents are highly likely involved in the prison abuses in Iraq, Afghanistan and in Guantanamo.

But so far only the soldiers at the end of the chain are being prosecuted.

Taliesin

[aberdeenwriter]

Originally posted by Taliesin:
I remember to have read that Rumsfeld has ordered a juridical assessment, if there is a legal possibility to use the president's direct order to torture to circumvent the prohibition of torture, that is signed witht he geneva conventions. The idea was that the president was not bound to the conventions. So, it is obvious from that, that higher rankings up to Rumsfeld and maybe even the president and numerous secret agents are highly likely involved in the prison abuses in Iraq, Afghanistan and in Guantanamo.

But so far only the soldiers at the end of the chain are being prosecuted.

Taliesin

You may be right.

Speaking of Guantanamo, check out the thread, "Son of al Qaeda" for some brief insights into prisoner treatment there as well as the story of what it's like for a Canadian young man to grow up in an al Qaeda family.

[mitchell_pgh]

Originally posted by Taliesin:
But the problem is the terrorists haven't signed any treaties like the geneva conventions. On top of that they haven't started the war.

So it's OK for them to behead people?

[Spliffdaddy]

well, yeah.

what else would his point be?