[tavilach]

I don't know what it is about this song, but it makes me feel so patriotic...even though I'm not! I just want to stand up, and shout, "America! America!"

It's a pretty good song . I'm debating over whether or not I should buy it. It might not fit with The Goo Goo Dolls, Vertical Horizon, Evanescence, and Dido (I have very feminine taste)...

Does anyone else really like this song? I'm sure a lot of people hate it...

Edit: Eek! The same song is on 10 different albums. I don't know which one to buy!

[gorickey]

United States of Whatever - Liam Lynch

[wataru]

In Soviet Russia, the USA blesses God!

...or so I've heard.

[Ω]

Originally posted by wataru:
In Soviet Russia, the USA blesses God!

...or so I've heard.

[Zimphire]

http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/M...ItemId=2781502

[Webscreamer]

Originally posted by tavilach:

It's a pretty good song . I'm debating over whether or not I should buy it. It might not fit with The Goo Goo Dolls, Vertical Horizon, Evanescence, and Dido (I have very feminine taste)...

Nice selection! Haven't heard it in a while!

[milhous]

And if you want a great movie to complement that song, you gotta watch the first Delta Force with Lee Marvin and Chuck Norris! It charges me up all the time!

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[wdlove]

"God Bless America" is a great song. The best rendition is by Kate Smith.

[forkies]

that song makes me want to vomit--not that i am going to vomit, but that i actually want to. odd...

[tavilach]

Originally posted by forkies:
that song makes me want to vomit--not that i am going to vomit, but that i actually want to. odd...

I take it that you don't live in the US?

[Spliffdaddy]

*smackdown*

[TailsToo]

Originally posted by wdlove:
"God Bless America" is a great song. The best rendition is by Kate Smith.

If only it would work for the Flyers again...

[forkies]

Originally posted by tavilach:
I take it that you don't live in the US?

note: star=home

[wataru]

Originally posted by tavilach:
I take it that you don't live in the US?

I'm an American and I'm not a fan of that song. Not everyone is taken in by that ultrapatriotic sap. And I'm not too keen on the "God" part either.

[Zimphire]

You can pretty much bet anyone that doesn't like the song is either

1. Liberal
2. Atheist.

I've never met a religious person, or a conservative that didn't like it.

[Ghoser777]

Well, it can be overplayed. I like it every once in a while, but too much patriotic fervor always gives me the willies instead of chills down my back.

[forkies]

Originally posted by Ghoser777:
Well, it can be overplayed. I like it every once in a while, but too much patriotic fervor always gives me the willies instead of chills down my back.

so, are you liberal or atheist?

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by forkies:
so, are you liberal or atheist?

There is a difference between hating the song totally. And not liking it played all the time.

Right? Right.

I dislike over-patriotic pretentiousness as well.

But if I hear that song once in awhile, It doesn't make me ill, or mad.

[tavilach]

Originally posted by wataru:
I'm an American and I'm not a fan of that song. Not everyone is taken in by that ultrapatriotic sap. And I'm not too keen on the "God" part either.

Of course not. Someone who puts down the song, though, is less likely to be American.

I'm not too patriotic, myself...I just like the melody . It makes me feel like I'm patriotic.

[wataru]

Originally posted by tavilach:
Of course not. Someone who puts down the song, though, is less likely to be American.

I'm not too patriotic, myself...I just like the melody . It makes me feel like I'm patriotic.

Good, I'm glad I won't have to give you the causation vs. correlation speech.

Carry on.

[SafariX]

Song is so cheez. It makes me grow a mullet and wear 80s style blue blockers while dreaming of nascar. pass.

[wataru]

Originally posted by SafariX:
Song is so cheez. It makes me grow a mullet and wear 80s style blue blockers while dreaming of nascar. pass.

My favorite is the pickup truck with the American flag sticker/decal thing covering the rear window.

*shudder*

[forkies]

Originally posted by wataru:
My favorite is the pickup truck with the American flag sticker/decal thing covering the rear window.

*shudder*

better yet is the same but with a confederate flag...

[malvolio]

Worst. Song. Ever.
Seriously, it's even more revolting than "MacArthur Park."

[MindFad]

[His Dudeness]

Originally posted by wataru:
I'm an American and I'm not a fan of that song. Not everyone is taken in by that ultrapatriotic sap. And I'm not too keen on the "God" part either.

But you don't have a problem spending American money? Even though that horrible horrible word "God" is printed on it?

[Ω]

Originally posted by His Dudeness:
But you don't have a problem spending American money? Even though that horrible horrible word "God" is printed on it?

What a rebuttal this is! Captain of teh debating team were we?

[- - e r i k - -]

I seriously don't understand all this "patriotism"-crap. I really don't. I wish someone would explain it to me someday though. It must be that "us vs. them"-thing that I never got about sports as well.

[His Dudeness]

No, just asking a basic question. People don't like "hearing" the word God, and don't like God being spoken in public or anything because it "offends" them, but it's okay for people to "see" the word God on money when they spend it. Kind of seems like a double standard, they "tolerate" the word God when it benefits them...

[dav]

Originally posted by His Dudeness:
No, just asking a basic question. People don't like "hearing" the word God, and don't like God being spoken in public or anything because it "offends" them, but it's okay for people to "see" the word God on money when they spend it. Kind of seems like a double standard, they "tolerate" the word God when it benefits them...

i use credit cards

[His Dudeness]

You heathen!!! Going straight to hell in a handbasket!!!

[wataru]

Originally posted by His Dudeness:
No, just asking a basic question. People don't like "hearing" the word God, and don't like God being spoken in public or anything because it "offends" them, but it's okay for people to "see" the word God on money when they spend it. Kind of seems like a double standard, they "tolerate" the word God when it benefits them...

I'd rather it not be on money, and its presence doesn't benefit me--the money itself benefits me. If people only accepted money because it has the word "God" on it, then I would benefit in the way you described.

I can't speak for other atheists, but I don't care if people mention God in public. What I don't like is evangelism, or mentions of God in governmental proceedings. Religion has no place in our government. And I think you're making a big deal out of nothing with the money thing--we have bigger "God" fish to fry; money can wait. Now if it was Jesus's picture instead of a president's... then I think people would be upset.

[His Dudeness]

Well, I'm glad there is God in our government. I'm glad they say a prayer to God instead of hanging a flag with a swastika on it.

[MindFad]

Yeah, I like God better than Nazis, too.

[maxintosh]

Originally posted by His Dudeness:
Well, I'm glad there is God in our government. I'm glad they say a prayer to God instead of hanging a flag with a swastika on it.

Right, because you know what anti-Christian libbies the Nazi party was.

[Oisín]

Originally posted by maxintosh:
Right, because you know what anti-Christian libbies the Nazi party was.

Not to mention the "proper" (ie. original) usage of the Swastika - that is, as a symbol of deities representing the sun.

His Dudeness seems to be on a xenophobic roll today that has cost him the ability to see any colour in the spectrum that is not either black or white.

[wataru]

Originally posted by His Dudeness:
Well, I'm glad there is God in our government. I'm glad they say a prayer to God instead of hanging a flag with a swastika on it.

That is absolutely ridiculous. If you want to have an actual conversation about this, please refrain from comparing atheism to Naziism. We have done nothing wrong; all we want is tolerance and a religiously-unbiased government.

[dav]

Originally posted by wataru:
We have done nothing wrong; all we want is tolerance and a religiously-unbiased government.

i think the catch is, to merely not believe in the manner they do, is to do wrong.

[His Dudeness]

I'm just being argumentative. This country was founded on freedom of religion. Just because the minority don't like it, doesn't mean that religion has to go away.

[wataru]

Originally posted by dav:
i think the catch is, to merely not believe in the manner they do, is to do wrong.

That's a good point, and also a disturbing one. I don't think there is any place in civilized society for a group that considers one to be "bad" merely by virtue of not being a part of it.

Originally posted by His Dudeness:
I'm just being argumentative. This country was founded on freedom of religion. Just because the minority don't like it, doesn't mean that religion has to go away.

No one is saying that all religion has to "go away." I'm saying that there should be a separation of church and state.

Here's an example: If you want to have the 10 commandments in a public place, then in the interests of fairness that, as you say, this country was founded on, you should also put up an equivalent set of rules for every religion. Is that feasible? No. Even if you tried, you'd be leaving out some, or some would be more prominent than others. The only solution is to keep government religiously-neutral. That is what I, and many other atheists want.

[His Dudeness]

Originally posted by Ois�n:
Not to mention the "proper" (ie. original) usage of the Swastika - that is, as a symbol of deities representing the sun.

His Dudeness seems to be on a xenophobic roll today that has cost him the ability to see any colour in the spectrum that is not either black or white.

I know what the swastika was before Adolf ruined it. As a child on his way to school everyday, he passed some sort of church with that symbol on it. That's where he got it from.

[voyageur]

Originally posted by forkies:
note: star=home

forkies, if I may ask, Carleton College?

[waxcrash]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
You can pretty much bet anyone that doesn't like the song is either

1. Liberal
2. Atheist.

I've never met a religious person, or a conservative that didn't like it.

You can pretty much bet anyone who likes this song is either:

1. Uneducated
2. Red-neck-white trash
3. Jesus freak
4. NRA member

I've never met an educated, intellectual with good taste like it.

The point of this post was to point out how retarded your post was.

[SafariX]

Originally posted by waxcrash:
You can pretty much bet anyone who likes this song is either:

1. Uneducated
2. Red-neck-white trash
3. Jesus freak
4. NRA member

I've never met an educated, intellectual with good taste like it.

The point of this post was to point out how retarded your post was.

Noy suh! I just can't take myself seriously when I hear it. We may be overstating the bounds of who accepts it, but nonetheless, those of non-devoted religious principles, with a higher education are less likely to enjoy this 60 cent production garbage.

[tavilach]

Hehe...all of this debate!

I just like the tune!

Tralala...

[selowitch]

Originally posted by wataru:
Here's an example: If you want to have the 10 commandments in a public place, then in the interests of fairness that, as you say, this country was founded on, you should also put up an equivalent set of rules for every religion. Is that feasible? No. Even if you tried, you'd be leaving out some, or some would be more prominent than others. The only solution is to keep government religiously-neutral. That is what I, and many other atheists want.

I agree largely with what you're saying here. I do think separation of church and state is vitally important. The question is: Can government ever properly acknowledge God without violating this principle, and if so, how?

[wataru]

Originally posted by selowitch:
I agree largely with what you're saying here. I do think separation of church and state is vitally important. The question is: Can government ever properly acknowledge God without violating this principle, and if so, how?

That's a good question. My gut reaction is to say that no, it can't, but I'm open to suggestions.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by maxintosh:
Right, because you know what anti-Christian libbies the Nazi party was.

Libbies? Who knows. Anti-Christian? Yes. Very much so.

[turtle777]

Originally posted by tavilach:
I take it that you don't live in the US?

Why ?

I live in the US, and I don't think that song is great.
WTF would God bless a country doing that much sh!t ?

I think God's gonna judge America in a real way...
People say they believe, but their actions speak against them.
Rom 1:21-22

Well, 'nough said.

-t

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by waxcrash:
The point of this post was to point out how retarded your post was. [/B]

The difference? My post had truth in it.

This thread proves that.