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danonamac · Feb 13, 2006, 06:05 PM

I ordered at 9:15A on Jan 11, the day after the keynote. Shipping has been (and remains) Feb 15. No charges yet.

schalliol · Feb 13, 2006, 06:12 PM

Welcome, Dan on a Mac. Glad to see you're getting the machine. Bordering off-topic, is this your first Mac, or are you just coming to MacNN as there are questions you have about the product.

danonamac · Feb 13, 2006, 06:43 PM

No questions so far. Well - I have a Powerbook. I bought it about a year ago after having too much trouble with the PC laptop. Just got tired of the driver crashes, lockups, you name it.

I've worked on macs for years (since the original 128k mac - still have it) but never got into it. The programs I use are mostly pc based, or at least they were. Tiger changed things a lot, and now I'm on the Powerbook about 80% of the time. Soon our main PC at the office will be a G5 or equivalent. So I guess you'd call me a convert

The Powerbook's main problem to me is the poor video graphics and dull screen (I do 3D for a living). The new Macbook is just what the doctor asked for

jimbosyn · Feb 13, 2006, 07:48 PM

I placed my order on January 19th for a stock 1.83 GHZ macbook. As of right now, my Credit Card has not been charged, and my order status still shows the Feb 15th shipping date. Also, when I initially placed the order, my card was verifed for the full amout of the order. About one week later, the verification was removed. I hope these reports of cards being charged are not from people who just placed their orders in the past few days.

Timetheus · Feb 13, 2006, 09:02 PM

I talked to an Apple rep a few days ago about they're charging habits - They charge the card the day it leaves the warehouse/factory or wherever they're shipping from - that's from the mouth of Apple's Customer service (I had talked to them about this becuase I need to raise my Debit Cards Daily Spending Limit the day they charge it again, btw).

zac4mac · Feb 14, 2006, 08:01 AM

Alright - first thing, MY BAD
Nothing changed on my shipping status
An iSight I ordered DID ship yesterday
No Charges show yet for MBP(yesterday had several "pending" transactions that went away overnight)
Apologies for confusion - time for me to relax; it's like Christmas, waiting for an MBP, new iSight for my G5 and a return/repair/replace 4GB nano.
Su much for the RDF wearing off...

Z

stardustsa2002 · Feb 14, 2006, 08:50 AM

I was at the Apple Store in London yesterday - They informed me that the Macbook pro was definitely due into the shop this week, they advised to get there early as they will obviously sell out pretty quick..
I ordered the macbook on line (the apple store) last week, i have now just cancelled as i can not wait until march, i will wait outside the shop every morning for the next few day's and hope for the best.

GreenwoodMO · Feb 14, 2006, 09:37 AM

The Apple store is down. Maybe they are updating the MBP to "Now Shipping"!

Voch · Feb 14, 2006, 09:39 AM

Is it just me, or did they just get a speed bump from 1.67/1.83Ghz to 1.83/2.0Ghz with "upgradable to 2.16Ghz" option?

Voch

GreenwoodMO · Feb 14, 2006, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by GreenwoodMO

The Apple store is down. Maybe they are updating the MBP to "Now Shipping"!

They are back up. Just wishful thinking...

GreenwoodMO · Feb 14, 2006, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by Voch

Is it just me, or did they just get a speed bump from 1.67/1.83Ghz to 1.83/2.0Ghz with "upgradable to 2.16Ghz" option?

Voch

OMG, your right, they did get a speed bump. I hope they ship the 2GHz to people that ordered the 1.83.

GreenwoodMO · Feb 14, 2006, 09:50 AM

Apples site also nows says the MBP is upgradeable to 2.16GHz.

terigox · Feb 14, 2006, 09:53 AM

Umm yea... they should!!! That would be just plain wrong if they stuck us with the old chips!

GreenwoodMO · Feb 14, 2006, 09:57 AM

Well that sucks. Those of us that ordered the 1.83 are probably going to get the 2Ghz but you are going to have to cancel your order and reorder the 2.16GHz upgrade plus $300 to have the top off the line now. Our machines have not even shipped and they are outdated.

AppleCello · Feb 14, 2006, 09:59 AM

No it looks like apple is bumping up all existing orders to the higher speeds, with 2.16 as a BTO option at the very top.

terigox · Feb 14, 2006, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by GreenwoodMO

Well that sucks. Those of us that ordered the 1.83 are probably going to get the 2Ghz but you are going to have to cancel your order and reorder the 2.16GHz upgrade plus $300 to have the top off the line now. Our machines have not even shipped and they are outdated.

Lol that is kind of depressing if you think about it

I'm going to call apple in a little bit....

GreenwoodMO · Feb 14, 2006, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by AppleCello

No it looks like apple is bumping up all existing orders to the higher speeds, with 2.16 as a BTO option at the very top.

Yeah, I realize that but people that thought they ordered the top of the line when they ordered the 1.83Ghz are no longer getting the top of the line.

schalliol · Feb 14, 2006, 10:16 AM

Since they haven't shipped and Apple offers price protection, at minimum we'll get money back, but I bet we'll get 2.0GHz if we orderd the 1.83. Clearly the people who orderd the lower-end one aren't getting that speed. Oh, Apple, it's Valentine's day, how about giving all MacNN posters the 2.16, since we clearly have stronger loyalty to you...

"It's even faster than we thought."

schalliol · Feb 14, 2006, 10:26 AM

Actually...Apple's just given us the first information about shipping here in the Press Release:

"The $2,499 model now includes a 2.0 GHz Intel Core Duo processor, up from the previously announced 1.83 GHz, and will begin shipping this week. The $1,999 model now includes a 1.83 GHz Intel Core Duo processor, up from the previously announced 1.67 GHz, and will begin shipping next week. "

There you have it, the 2.0's start shipping this week and the 1.83's will begin shipping next week.

t_hah · Feb 14, 2006, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by schalliol

Since they haven't shipped and Apple offers price protection, at minimum we'll get money back, but I bet we'll get 2.0GHz if we orderd the 1.83. Clearly the people who orderd the lower-end one aren't getting that speed. Oh, Apple, it's Valentine's day, how about giving all MacNN posters the 2.16, since we clearly have stronger loyalty to you...

"It's even faster than we thought."

WhooHoo!

GreenwoodMO · Feb 14, 2006, 10:31 AM

Sounds like those that preordered will get the faster processors http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1529.

terigox · Feb 14, 2006, 10:31 AM

"It's even faster than we thought."

I think that's hilarious

schalliol · Feb 14, 2006, 10:34 AM

Yep, read just a couple posts up for more detailed info.

zac4mac · Feb 14, 2006, 10:37 AM

Well this is great, I'm on hold, waiting to talk to a store rep and totally screw up my order...
Oh well, I'll get a new and faster laptop than I expected, just later than I hoped..

Z

harrisjamieh · Feb 14, 2006, 10:43 AM

What I dont get is that although Apple have said in a press release that the 'books will be shipping this week and next week, why it still says on their website (which has obviously just this past hour been updated) that they ship in 3-4 weeks? Are there THAT many pre-orders?

schalliol · Feb 14, 2006, 10:43 AM

Z4Mac, what'd you do? Ask to upgrade to a 2.16? I think I'll be content with the 2.0

harrisjamieh · Feb 14, 2006, 10:52 AM

Would it really be worth the $300 to upgrde just 166 mhz?

GreenwoodMO · Feb 14, 2006, 10:56 AM

I wonder if Apple just overclocked the 2Ghz chip to squeeze out the extra .16Ghz or if is actually a different chip.

schalliol · Feb 14, 2006, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by cambro

Incidentally....
2.0 Ghz machines with a 120 GB hard drive upgrade are listed as shipping 1-3 days

This was just posted in another thread. I added a new one to my cart and can verify what cambro says. It looks like if you order a brand new 2.0 with 120 today it really might ship tomorrow!

terigox · Feb 14, 2006, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by harrisjamieh

What I dont get is that although Apple have said in a press release that the 'books will be shipping this week and next week, why it still says on their website (which has obviously just this past hour been updated) that they ship in 3-4 weeks? Are there THAT many pre-orders?

Thats probbally how long it would take after all the previous -preorders ship

@harrisjamieh

No! Definitly not IMO. Only thing worth getting the upgraded model for IMO is the extra video ram, and perhaps the extra hdd options.

JKT · Feb 14, 2006, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by harrisjamieh

Would it really be worth the $300 to upgrde just 166 mhz?

Bzzzt. It's 2x166MHz, though whether that is worth $300 or not...

terigox · Feb 14, 2006, 10:59 AM

Lol JKT

zac4mac · Feb 14, 2006, 11:00 AM

Just got off the phone - they said I will be charged $300 more(natch), but I am upgraded to the 2.16 without losing my place in the order queue. Just made my day!!!

Z

schalliol · Feb 14, 2006, 11:04 AM

Congrats on the upgrade. Did they say when yours will ship when you were on the phone? I wonder if they have some or lots of the 2.16s available. It's interesteing that the exact unit I ordered (2.0 w/ 120) says it'll ship in 1-3 days if you order today. Could the 100/5400 and 100/7200 be bottlenecks?

inkhead · Feb 14, 2006, 11:06 AM

all 2ghz chips were supposed to be 2.16ghz chips, the reason i'm guessing they are marked as 2ghz is because apple bought lower "bake" rated chips. My guess is 95% of the 2ghz chips that ship will be able to easily overclock to the 2.16ghz since that is the real speed of the chip, (intel isn't shipping any 2ghz chips) Apple just underclocks them. sames as the core 1.67 is just and underclock 1.8 intel never made a 1.67

cambro · Feb 14, 2006, 11:10 AM

Why would Apple underclock the chips?

Were they worried about heat in the tight enclosure of the Macbook?

Also, did anyone notice that 2.0 Ghz Macbooks upgraded to 120 GB HDs are listed as shipping 1-3 days?!

harrisjamieh · Feb 14, 2006, 11:10 AM

Wheather or not Intel made a 1.67 chip or a 2.0 ghz chip, they DO manufacture them (meaning they are available, wheather underclocked versions of faster chips or not). Their site lists the T2500 as being clocked at 2.0 Ghz, and the T2300 being clocked at 1.66 Ghz (dunno where apple got the extra 10 mhz from...). So they ARE available

http://indigo.intel.com/compare_cpu/...&culture=en-US

*hopes above link works

*

harrisjamieh · Feb 14, 2006, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by cambro

Why would Apple underclock the chips?

Were they worried about heat in the tight enclosure of the Macbook?

If they were worried about heat in the enclosure, they wouldn't have just put a BTO option to upgrade the processor to the fastest Core Duo on the market.

Karim · Feb 14, 2006, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by zac4mac

Just got off the phone - they said I will be charged $300 more(natch), but I am upgraded to the 2.16 without losing my place in the order queue. Just made my day!!!

Z

I just talked to Apple and the guy I talked to was VERY explicit that upgrading the processor from my 1.83 (or 2.0) to 2.16 would make me lose my place in the queue and push me into March. So, I'm wondering what other people are told. I asked the guy four different ways and he was very clear that the policy was that a processor upgrade was equivalent to an order cancel and then re-create.

harrisjamieh · Feb 14, 2006, 11:32 AM

Do yourself a favour and save the $300! Obviously its your money

, but can you really justify spending $300 for a lousy 166mhz more?

GreenwoodMO · Feb 14, 2006, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by zac4mac

Just got off the phone - they said I will be charged $300 more(natch), but I am upgraded to the 2.16 without losing my place in the order queue. Just made my day!!!

Z

We got conflicting stories because I just called Apple and they said if I upgrade my order from the 2 to the 2.16Ghz processor I will indeed lose my place in the order queue. My original order was placed on 1/12 with an estimated delivery date of 2/15. I am sticking with my original order.

Karim · Feb 14, 2006, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by harrisjamieh

Do yourself a favour and save the $300! Obviously its your money

, but can you really justify spending $300 for a lousy 166mhz more?

Hey its 166mhz X 2! Besides, my first computer was a 1Mhz Apple ][, so damn that's 332 times faster than that for only $300!

Its less than a $1 a mhz. LOL.

zac4mac · Feb 14, 2006, 11:51 AM

Check this thread - Not a change order, an Engineering Order

http://discussions.apple.com/thread....63105&tstart=0

Z

Karim · Feb 14, 2006, 11:56 AM

I decided to cancel my existing order for an original 1.83 model and make a new order for the 2.16. The guy I spoke to at Apple said that my original order was in the first batch to go out (ordered a few minutes after I left the keynote) and that it wasn't going to ship by tomorrow (take that as what you will -- there have been SO many comments about this) but it would be a few days later (he didn't know exactly) and that emails would be going out later today to customers.

I made a new order for the 2.16 and it says shipping in 2-3 days from the Apple Store so who knows, maybe they upgraded several machines and those will be available to grab sooner than the other configs... If I lose my order place, oh well, I wanted to change my hard drive option all this time but didn't want to screw my order, but the processor change gave me enough incentive.

drift1492 · Feb 14, 2006, 12:36 PM

What is the deal with apple? I might wait another week and get the 2.5 Ghz </sarcasm>

Freeway Fritz · Feb 14, 2006, 12:47 PM

I have a current order for the 1.83 placed on 2/1 with a shipping date of 2/28.

I called Apple just now to verify that the order was automatically being upgraded to the 2.0 chip (yes) and also asked the following questions:

1. Has my shipping date been changed? (No update on shipping date, Apple has not received new shipping info. Should receive it today or tomorrow and then orders will be updated if the shipping date changes.

2. If I order a 2.16 chip today, will it be shipped in 1-3 business days as it shows on the Apple online store? (Was told NO, Apple knows this info is wrong, however they do not have a shipping date for the new 2.16 as of today).

The Apple rep I spoke to was quite overwhelmed and said that because the changes occurred early this morning before many of the reps got into work, the reps are still trying to get all of the info correct.

Hachimachi · Feb 14, 2006, 01:00 PM

...but it must be a logistics nightmare for Apple. No one wants to find out that his hardware is no longer top-of-the-line before it's even shipped. But upgrading to 2.16 seems like it screws up the whole queue. Will the people who pre-ordered lose their place in line? Will the people who just ordered today get their 2.16s more quickly than those who pre-ordered over the past month? What about the machines that were BTO and are now possibly cancelled?

Eriamjh · Feb 14, 2006, 01:01 PM

If you change your order, it will likely be 2-3 weeks more to ship.

tkmd · Feb 14, 2006, 01:02 PM

Folks we are not dealing with motorola anymore. The days of PB keeping their value longer than the PC brethren are over. Old mac greybeards remember the days when moto would give their chips a speed bump every 6 to 10 months. So naturally the PB would hold their value. Now that Apple switched to Intel speed bumps occur more frequently - so the PB that you bought today is not going to hold its value as well.
Save your 300 dollars and get the 2 Ghz version IMO. Intel has stated that faster core duo chips are going to be available in Q3 (4)? and they are pin compatible with the existing MBP motherboard so a swap down the road is very feasible.

Tomchu · Feb 14, 2006, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by Hachimachi

...but it must be a logistics nightmare for Apple. No one wants to find out that his hardware is no longer top-of-the-line before it's even shipped. But upgrading to 2.16 seems like it screws up the whole queue. Will the people who pre-ordered lose their place in line? Will the people who just ordered today get their 2.16s more quickly than those who pre-ordered over the past month? What about the machines that were BTO and are now possibly cancelled?

Does having the "top of the line" matter that freaking much? :-|

When you ordered a 2.0 GHz MacBook, you were probably thinking "Damn, this is fast. It's going to last me a while." Now some of you are whining because you no longer have the top of the line? Someone might have a .16 GHz faster processor than you?

Waaaaah!

Seriously. Some of you sound like spoiled children. Just enjoy what you'll have.