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ctt1wbw · Apr 13, 2009, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot

Yes, you're a tool being instrumentalized by terrorists and other hate-mongers to turn this into an ideological war of cultures - thank you for proving my point.

For one, Somalia isn't actually a COUNTRY at the moment for lack of any sort of centralized governing body.

The fact that these pirates are actually starving fishermen who've found a lucrative source of income that just happens to be at our expense is probably a rather more legitimate explanation than religion, don't you think?

Especially if you took five seconds to use your brain and look through the list of ships actually attacked by Somali pirates.

Malaysia? Western? Hey, those ****ing Islamists is attacking our freedomz.

...

Good lord, give them brains - they claim to be your people!

Starving? They have enough money to buy AK-47's and boats, bullets, gas, etc etc etc. And you're a weak tool. I bet you do take it like a bitch, and say hit me again!

Spheric Harlot · Apr 13, 2009, 03:56 PM

P.S.:

Read up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracy_in_Somalia

ctt1wbw · Apr 13, 2009, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot

Yes, you're a tool being instrumentalized by terrorists and other hate-mongers to turn this into an ideological war of cultures - thank you for proving my point.

For one, Somalia isn't actually a COUNTRY at the moment for lack of any sort of centralized governing body.

The fact that these pirates are actually starving fishermen who've found a lucrative source of income that just happens to be at our expense is probably a rather more legitimate explanation than religion, don't you think?

Especially if you took five seconds to use your brain and look through the list of ships actually attacked by Somali pirates.

Malaysia? Western? Hey, those ****ing Islamists is attacking our freedomz.

...

Good lord, give them brains - they claim to be your people!

Oh, and another thing. Yes, I am, or was, a tool. I was part of an organization that protects freedom of navigation, and other such stuff like that. I am retired Navy, and part of the organization that just killed these MUSLIM terrorists. What have you done with your life?

ctt1wbw · Apr 13, 2009, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot

P.S.:

Read up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracy_in_Somalia

The Wiki is a hardly a source of reputable information. Most of the information I used to get in the Navy had Top Secret on it.

Spheric Harlot · Apr 13, 2009, 04:34 PM

Herr, schmeiß Hirn vom Himmel!

*plunk*

besson3c · 05:25 PM

The best thing about this thread is that eventually people are stumble across it when they are doing Google searches for Teen Wolf or pirates! Also, nobody can complain about me talking about Teen Wolf in this thread.

Chongo · Apr 13, 2009, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by turtle777

Hey, I have a solution: tell the Somalis that their fishing boats can't be more than 50 miles off the coast.

Let the US and other countries bombard any unregistered ship outside the 50 miles zone.

There.

[No, I'm not serious. I know it's not practical]
-t

Just make it known that all ships are now manned with sailors skilled in using the these babies! Oh, and kudos to President O for allowing the Seals to do what they do best.

Andy8 · Apr 13, 2009, 10:45 PM

You guys could park one of your old battleships off the Puntland coast and turn the area into a moonscape with the big guns

besson3c · Apr 14, 2009, 08:37 AM

I don't know why you guys are freaking out about these pirates, don't they have peg legs?

ebuddy · Apr 14, 2009, 09:00 AM

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot

Yes, you're a tool being instrumentalized by terrorists and other hate-mongers to turn this into an ideological war of cultures - thank you for proving my point.

The problem Spheric is that if you react in any such way that hampers the pirates' productivity, you're going to be demonized. This is that whole "you're creating more terrorists" mentality that I simply can't buy off on.

For one, Somalia isn't actually a COUNTRY at the moment for lack of any sort of centralized governing body.

I agree. The pirates are essentially lone-wolfing it out there (pun-intended) victimizing more than just Americans, but honest hard-working people. They're not going to remain victimized because it's lucrative to some poor folks with failed governance. If there's a small grocery store in a shoddy part of town and the owner is being held at gunpoint, the criminal is going to be addressed one way or another and while diplomacy has a part to play, it's likely not going to last 5 days. If the element is too hostile or threatening, it will end with a bullet in its head regardless of religion or motive. It's crime, it will be regarded as criminal, and addressed as such.

The fact that these pirates are actually starving fishermen who've found a lucrative source of income that just happens to be at our expense is probably a rather more legitimate explanation than religion, don't you think?

I agree, but you likewise aren't going to create hostile religious ideology by simply defending yourself. Or let me put it this way, this is no excuse to remain victimized. Arming the ships is a foregone conclusion.

turtle777 · Apr 14, 2009, 11:41 PM

This seems to be the best (i.e. cheapest and most effective) solution: convoys

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123966729406515295.html

Originally Posted by PETER D. ZIMMERMAN / WSJ

Thirty thousand ships a year, roughly 100 a day, 50 in each direction, transit the waters off the coast of Somalia. One convoy in each direction, each day, alternating between fast ships and slower ones, and each accompanied by four or five escort vessels, would do the job. There would then be only two targets a day in each area of coast for the pirates to find, instead of 100. When marauders approach a convoy, they could be warned off by the escorts or destroyed if they attack.

-t

Spheric Harlot · Apr 16, 2009, 04:18 AM

Originally Posted by ctt1wbw

Oh, and another thing. Yes, I am, or was, a tool. I was part of an organization that protects freedom of navigation, and other such stuff like that. I am retired Navy, and part of the organization that just killed these MUSLIM terrorists. What have you done with your life?

Originally Posted by ctt1wbw

The Wiki is a hardly a source of reputable information. Most of the information I used to get in the Navy had Top Secret on it.

I'll just let that stand as a testament to your racism and your argumentative maturity, but I found this rather interesting:

BBC NEWS | Africa | Piracy symptom of bigger problem

Yeah it's the ultra-left-wing BBC, and it's Yooropeen (of sorts), so they're probably just completely omitting the REAL story about how this is all a Muslim problem.

Still an interesting read for us people without your amazing Security Clearance Powars.

Doofy · Apr 16, 2009, 05:09 AM

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot

I found this rather interesting:

BBC NEWS | Africa | Piracy symptom of bigger problem

That looks like the usual crap (i.e. they're pirates because they're poor and they're poor because of European colonial history. It's all our fault!).

Here's the real reason: They're pirates because nobody's stopping them and it's more fun than working in a cube farm. They're opportunists. Just like the pirates currently operating off the coast of Venezuela who nobody appears to be mentioning.