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Link · Nov 25, 2004, 08:43 PM

So I finally realized what it is by accident, when chatting with a friend in adium..

Hold down option + shift, hit enter, you get a box. It looks like this:

Apple so needs to fix that.

Randman · Nov 25, 2004, 09:29 PM

You mean Adium needs to fix that.

Link · Nov 25, 2004, 10:08 PM

No, it's a bug in the keyboard driver or something, because pretty much all mac things do it

tooki · Nov 25, 2004, 10:27 PM

The box is what is displayed when a font doesn't contain a glyph for that character. It's the placeholder. Option-Shift-Enter is a valid character.

Some apps will filter out characters that make no sense in context.

tooki

MartiNZ · Nov 25, 2004, 11:13 PM

At least it's better than MS Word v.X AND 2004 where just pressing the little 'enter' displays a box! Excel treats it correctly but Word is just silly!

Chuckit · Nov 26, 2004, 04:49 AM

How is this a bug? You entered a character, it's displaying the glyph for that character (in this case, the "glyph not found" glyph). Just like entering shift-option-K produces an Apple symbol. What alternate behavior would you suggest?

OptimusG4 · Nov 26, 2004, 10:52 AM

Hey let's blame Apple for a font issue! At least they didn't have a swastika in their font character.

jasong · Nov 26, 2004, 11:31 AM

That's it! I'm starting an online petition!

-- Jason

TETENAL · Nov 26, 2004, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by OptimusG4:
Hey let's blame Apple for a font issue! At least they didn't have a swastika in their font character.

They didn't? 卐

Peabo · Nov 26, 2004, 11:51 AM

That's not a swastika, if it was it would be rotated another 45 degrees.

TETENAL · Nov 26, 2004, 11:59 AM

Originally posted by z0ne81:
That's not a swastika, if it was it would be rotated another 45 degrees.

That's the character that caused Microsoft the trouble. Looks like a swastika to me. It doesn't matter how it's oriented.

tooki · Nov 26, 2004, 12:35 PM

A swastika is a swastika, no matter what degree of rotation, and no matter whether it's facing left or right. The Nazi swastika did specify those two aspects, but the swastika is an ancient symbol that had been used for centuries (including by peaceful religious groups) before the Nazis sullied it.

tooki

Chuckit · Nov 26, 2004, 01:55 PM

Originally posted by tooki:
A swastika is a swastika, no matter what degree of rotation, and no matter whether it's facing left or right. The Nazi swastika did specify those two aspects, but the swastika is an ancient symbol that had been used for centuries (including by peaceful religious groups) before the Nazis sullied it.

In fact, if you look at the maps of many cities in Japan, you'll find them dotted with swastikas � it's the common symbol for a temple.

Incidentally, I just noticed: In Firefox, that doesn't display as a box. It's a left-pointing arrow (looks like the copy-editing symbol for "don't indent"). Interesting.

Zimphire · Nov 26, 2004, 07:49 PM

Originally posted by tooki:
A swastika is a swastika, no matter what degree of rotation, and no matter whether it's facing left or right. The Nazi swastika did specify those two aspects, but the swastika is an ancient symbol that had been used for centuries (including by peaceful religious groups) before the Nazis sullied it.

tooki

The Jews even used it!

Chris O'Brien · Nov 26, 2004, 08:03 PM

Originally posted by Chuckit:
Incidentally, I just noticed: In Firefox, that doesn't display as a box. It's a left-pointing arrow (looks like the copy-editing symbol for "don't indent"). Interesting.

And in epiphany (the gecko based browser that comes with Gnome) it shows up as a rectangular box with 4 numbers in it...

Spheric Harlot · Nov 26, 2004, 10:01 PM

Originally posted by Chuckit:
How is this a bug? You entered a character, it's displaying the glyph for that character (in this case, the "glyph not found" glyph). Just like entering shift-option-K produces an Apple symbol.

Note that if you enter shift-option-K for the Apple symbol, and then switch to a different font that doesn't have a character mapped there (most fonts do not include an Apple symbol), it will turn to - a box!

Originally posted by Chuckit:
In fact, if you look at the maps of many cities in Japan, you'll find them dotted with swastikas � it's the common symbol for a temple.

I just inherited some antique Japanese furniture, one of the pieces being a large chest. There's swastikas all over it.

It was weird the first ten minutes I had it sitting in the bedroom.

-s*

jasong · Nov 27, 2004, 01:46 PM

The Jews even used it!

I know this is off topic, but how so?

-- Jason

PER3 · Nov 28, 2004, 07:18 AM

Originally posted by OptimusG4:
Hey let's blame Apple for a font issue! At least they didn't have a swastika in their font character.

Wasn't the problem that it was MS that was retarded for _not_ havinga Swastika amongst their fonts in some touching attempt at political correctness?

Big Mac · Nov 28, 2004, 08:28 PM

Originally posted by jasong:
I know this is off topic, but how so?

-- Jason

I too am intrigued by your reference, Zimphire. I've never seen the swastika used in a Jewish context.

goMac · Nov 29, 2004, 01:05 AM

Originally posted by Big Mac:
I too am intrigued by your reference, Zimphire. I've never seen the swastika used in a Jewish context.

They wore them in Nazi Germany as a sign of... oh... wait...

Xeo · Nov 29, 2004, 03:47 AM

Originally posted by jasong:
I know this is off topic, but how so?

-- Jason

When first built at the beginning of the 3rd century, it was a modest, trapezoidal structure. In its northern wall, facing Jerusalem, were two openings. The floor was of simple white mosaic with a swastika pattern in black tesserae in the center. This pattern has been interpreted as a decorative motif or as a good luck symbol.

From here.

fortepianissimo · Nov 29, 2004, 04:25 AM

Originally posted by Xeo:
From here.

From here.

I visited the said site but didn't find the picture you included here?

Xeo · Nov 29, 2004, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by fortepianissimo:
I visited the said site but didn't find the picture you included here?

The first link was for the quote I provided, and the second link has the picture.

fortepianissimo · Nov 29, 2004, 08:58 PM

Originally posted by Xeo:
The first link was for the quote I provided, and the second link has the picture.

Thanks!

Link · Dec 28, 2004, 08:24 PM

Great, I was wrong, looking back on it, the characters that came from shift + option + backspace were different than the ones that came from the bug itself.

So, we're back to square one. I can say the bug exists because it seems to come up a LOT.

Note that I documented it here too

http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.p...=keyboard+10.3

It has to do with doing shift + up + backspace somehow, I'm not sure how or why, but it happens.

Spheric Harlot · Dec 29, 2004, 04:25 AM

Originally posted by Link:
So, we're back to square one. I can say the bug exists because it seems to come up a LOT.

'Square one' indeed.

Did you even bother reading your own ****ing thread?

IT IS NOT A BUG. IT IS EXPECTED FUNCTIONALITY AND HAS BEEN SINCE BEFORE YOUR WERE BORN.