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Aug 7, 2003, 12:57 PM
 
Originally posted by MasonMcD:
Looks like a real calculator to me. It's just gray. Is that a big deal?
The gray buttons on a gray background is not as visually pleasing IMO. I much prefer the white buttons on a gray background that we have now. Better contrast. Easier to see.

In fact, I preferred the white buttons on the bottom of the iTunes window as well.

White on gray just stands out more IMO.

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Aug 7, 2003, 01:01 PM
 
Originally posted by zachs:
What bug is that? I'll test it.

By the way, you can now finally install preference panes by simply double-clicking them. System Preferences then automatically copies it to the specified liocation (Users Library or System Library)

Auto-Install PrefPanes
What about screen savers? Can you do the same with screen savers?
     
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Aug 7, 2003, 01:32 PM
 
Address Book still crashes on launch for built-in bluetooth Machines.
     
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Aug 7, 2003, 01:39 PM
 
Originally posted by zachs:
What bug is that? I'll test it.

By the way, you can now finally install preference panes by simply double-clicking them. System Preferences then automatically copies it to the specified liocation (Users Library or System Library)

Auto-Install PrefPanes
Is there any easy way to remove them? Can you simply drag them out of the Pref Pane window and "poof" them, or anything like that?

Just asking, because otherwise, I'm going to have to implement a "remove" function for my own pref pane...

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Aug 7, 2003, 01:58 PM
 
Trash bug is still there for sure...

Apps seem to work better, especially those of an Adobe nature.

Terminal app creation is seamless and instant.

What else?
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Aug 7, 2003, 01:59 PM
 
AddressBook definitely still crashes.

As does Backup and have had more than a few Safari crashes as well, a first with Panther.

Every third party app i've tried seems to work fine in this build...
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Aug 7, 2003, 02:26 PM
 
Originally posted by zachs:
A few more pics for ya:
New Speech Options
The inner nested tab panels being darker than the parent tab panel is new, isn't it? I wonder if that's done manually, or a function of the control (How many would have to be nested to get the background to black? Would be a good way to prevent nesting them too deeply. )
     
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Aug 7, 2003, 02:36 PM
 
Originally posted by ambush:
Just go back to 10.2.. wait.. are you using 10.3 on a production comp? ahahahahahahahahah
That /is/ damn funny.
     
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Aug 7, 2003, 02:41 PM
 
cups printing rocks in panther!

In our local home network we have a cups print server with a HP LJ 5 connected. The cups printer is configured to broadcast to all hosts.
After the panther install, I wanted to print and all was there! A new menu Item in the printer selection dialog with the name "Shared Printers" appeared with the HP LJ 5 in it.....

The Printer is only there when I'm at my home. On other places the printer isn't there

In Jaguar I have had problems with our local cups printer.

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Aug 7, 2003, 03:09 PM
 
Originally posted by SomeToast:
The inner nested tab panels being darker than the parent tab panel is new, isn't it? I wonder if that's done manually, or a function of the control (How many would have to be nested to get the background to black? Would be a good way to prevent nesting them too deeply. )
Those rounded, slightly darkened fields were introduced along with the new tab widgets, first seen in the WWDC build. I think they work nicely to visually differentiate different sections of a panel.

I wouldn't like to see more than *one* of those nested, though. Ick.

By the way, I wonder when the AHIG is going to be updated...? Guess it's on the to-do list...
     
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Aug 7, 2003, 03:20 PM
 
Yes, but I thought that in screenshots prior to 7B28, when multiple tab panels were nested, the darkened tone of the child panel was the same as the darkened tone of the parent.

Do nested group boxes (which share the tab panel's look) get progressively darker the more you pile on?

Anyone have 7B28 and RealBasic to knock out a quick sample window?

(I'm a big fan of Panther's group boxes and tab panels, btw)
     
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Aug 7, 2003, 03:42 PM
 
Anyone know if the iTunes can run correctly with an iPod attached?

One bug I was aware of caused iTunes to crash when trtrying to navigate an iPod library (it played it fine if the window was minimized, but as soon as it was expanded, it crashed).

Thanks for any info!

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Aug 7, 2003, 03:59 PM
 
Originally posted by mamamia:
man, those metal calculators are BUTT FUGLY. and not just any butt fugyly, but BDONKA DONK BUTT FUGLY!!!! they may well be the ugliest calculators ever designed, virtual or otherwise. hideous. atrocious. nauseating. and yes, downright raunchy. not to mention the fact that they are also disgusting, revolting, eyesores. i would rather pull out paper, pen and an abicus than use that piece of virtual trash. i could design a calculater out of four shades of puck green and six shades of doodie brown that would be more appealing to look at then that thing.

steve needs to get off the acid and come back to reality. or else, he should hire someone who understands something, anything, operating system design.
This was a parody, right?
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Aug 7, 2003, 04:05 PM
 
Originally posted by King Bob On The Cob:
What about screen savers? Can you do the same with screen savers?
Yep. Same with Screen Savers.

And to CharlesS's question: no, there is no way to remove prefpanes as far as I can tell.
     
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Aug 7, 2003, 04:06 PM
 
Originally posted by SomeToast:
Yes, but I thought that in screenshots prior to 7B28, when multiple tab panels were nested, the darkened tone of the child panel was the same as the darkened tone of the parent.

Do nested group boxes (which share the tab panel's look) get progressively darker the more you pile on?

Anyone have 7B28 and RealBasic to knock out a quick sample window?

(I'm a big fan of Panther's group boxes and tab panels, btw)
     
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Aug 7, 2003, 04:11 PM
 
Originally posted by Nonsuch:
This was a parody, right?
I hope so, but in any case, "BDONKA DONK BUTT FUGLY" is the funniest description of metal ever.

FYI: I merged the two Panther 7B28 threads together. That's why there's only one now.
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Aug 7, 2003, 04:23 PM
 
Whooooooooa.
     
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Aug 7, 2003, 04:52 PM
 
Here is a snipit from the ADC Seed notes:

Once again, this release reflects extensive engineering efforts since the last seed (7B21), with issued addressed in almost every component of the OS. Here are some components that had the most extensive changes:

AppKit
AppleScripKit
Script Editor
Character Palette
Core Audio
Navigation Services
Finder
Graphics Drivers
OpenGL
Chinese Input Method (Chinese and Traditional)
CUPS
Kernel
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Carbon Core
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Aug 7, 2003, 05:04 PM
 
- The iPod syncing bug is fixed
- The Finder minimization bug (windows that were minimized popped back up) is fixed
- There is only one option for Secure Delete (you cannot select 1, 7, or 35 passes)
- The Adobe InDesign startup bug is fixed
     
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Aug 7, 2003, 05:09 PM
 
Anything new in Mail.app compared to 7B21?
     
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Aug 7, 2003, 05:15 PM
 
Originally posted by gorickey:
Anything new in Mail.app compared to 7B21?
There's a "Previous Recipients" panel. I don't know if that was there before.
     
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Aug 7, 2003, 05:19 PM
 
Originally posted by zachs:
There's a "Previous Recipients" panel. I don't know if that was there before.
Hmm, not sure...can I get a picture?

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Aug 7, 2003, 05:22 PM
 
Originally posted by gorickey:
Hmm, not sure...can I get a picture?

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Aug 7, 2003, 06:39 PM
 
The integration of iChat and DVD player is cool. So is that "Add theater to Addressbook"

Small integration things like that, scattered about in all applications, is awesome!

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Aug 7, 2003, 06:54 PM
 
Originally posted by OwlBoy:
The integration of iChat and DVD player is cool.
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Really? What does it do?!
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Aug 7, 2003, 07:18 PM
 
Originally posted by zachs:
This is probably just the result of compositing. Since IB, Cocoa, and Carbon (HIToolbox) now allow compositing of interface elements, all you need to do is to draw the tab box's background with color=gray & alpha=10%, and lo and behold, each embedded tab box gets composited onto the previous one, and through alpha channel magic it looks like each is darker. You shouldn't need to specify a different color for each and every tab box, you just specify for the general system tab box control that the background of it should be drawn with a certain alpha value. I love Quartz Extreme!

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Aug 7, 2003, 07:23 PM
 
Originally posted by Webscreamer:
Really? What does it do?!
     
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Aug 7, 2003, 07:42 PM
 
Originally posted by zachs:
- DVD Player has an option to "Disable Dolby dynamic range compression",
WHOOOOP!

: jumps up and down :

: jumps some more :

I hatehatehatehateHATE the audio compression on my DVDs when I play them on the Mac.

Live concert DVDs are virtually unwatchable to me, and many movies' soundtracks ruined.

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Aug 7, 2003, 07:46 PM
 
Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
WHOOOOP!

: jumps up and down :

: jumps some more :

I hatehatehatehateHATE the audio compression on my DVDs when I play them on the Mac.

Live concert DVDs are virtually unwatchable to me, and many movies' soundtracks ruined.

-s*
If you were serious about DVD's you wouldn't be watching them on your computer anyway.

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Aug 7, 2003, 08:24 PM
 
Originally posted by Skywalkers new Hand:
If you were serious about DVD's you wouldn't be watching them on your computer anyway.
uhhh.. yeah! U got him there!
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Aug 7, 2003, 09:34 PM
 
Originally posted by Skywalkers new Hand:
If you were serious about DVD's you wouldn't be watching them on your computer anyway.

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Aug 7, 2003, 10:05 PM
 
Originally posted by OwlBoy:
"Add theater to Addressbook"
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What's that?
     
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Aug 7, 2003, 10:26 PM
 
Originally posted by kman42:
What's that?
It's that Sherlock button. A very nice idea - hope it's in the Yellow Pages too, and not just the movies.
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Aug 7, 2003, 10:41 PM
 
Originally posted by normyzo:
This is probably just the result of compositing. Since IB, Cocoa, and Carbon (HIToolbox) now allow compositing of interface elements, all you need to do is to draw the tab box's background with color=gray & alpha=10%, and lo and behold, each embedded tab box gets composited onto the previous one, and through alpha channel magic it looks like each is darker. You shouldn't need to specify a different color for each and every tab box, you just specify for the general system tab box control that the background of it should be drawn with a certain alpha value. I love Quartz Extreme!
Agreed, and zachs, thanks for the picture!

Very cool to be leveraging the features of the compositor rather than hard-coding a flat color value to the control.
     
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Aug 7, 2003, 10:51 PM
 
Originally posted by mamamia:
man, those metal calculators are BUTT FUGLY. and not just any butt fugyly, but BDONKA DONK BUTT FUGLY!!!! they may well be the ugliest calculators ever designed, virtual or otherwise. hideous. atrocious. nauseating. and yes, downright raunchy. not to mention the fact that they are also disgusting, revolting, eyesores. i would rather pull out paper, pen and an abicus than use that piece of virtual trash. i could design a calculater out of four shades of puck green and six shades of doodie brown that would be more appealing to look at then that thing.
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Originally posted by SYN:
Could it be Apple is starting to implement kqueue/kevent and they get this essentially for free?
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Aug 7, 2003, 11:03 PM
 
Sherlock's Phone Book channel now supports white page listings (as well as yellow pages).

     
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Aug 8, 2003, 01:00 AM
 
I had the permissions problem. Had to boot up from the CD and type in a new root password to get them back.

Everything is fine now.
     
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Aug 8, 2003, 01:07 AM
 
Originally posted by cacarr1:
Ever heard of air travel?
Yes, I hear that is the best place to notice audio compression. Nothing like a quite environment of a 747 to hear all those music flaws.

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Originally posted by Zimphire:
I had the permissions problem. Had to boot up from the CD and type in a new root password to get them back.

Everything is fine now.
Serves you right THIEF!

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Originally posted by Zimphire:
I had the permissions problem. Had to boot up from the CD and type in a new root password to get them back.

Everything is fine now.
I didn't get it...guess I'm lucky.
     
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Aug 8, 2003, 02:08 AM
 
Originally posted by Skywalkers new Hand:
If you were serious about DVD's you wouldn't be watching them on your computer anyway.
I often need to proof DVDs I author in Apple's DVD player because we author a lot of DVD-9s, and you can't burn a test disk of those.

I've had to tell people to ignore the wacky audio when viewing discs on the computers a couple of times now.
     
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Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
Serves you right THIEF!
I pay for the final version.
     
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Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
Yes, I hear that is the best place to notice audio compression. Nothing like a quite environment of a 747 to hear all those music flaws.
Some people like to use their computers as DVD players instead of buying a second device to play them. Why the hostility?
     
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Originally posted by Zimphire:
I pay for the final version.
So?
     
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Aug 8, 2003, 05:26 AM
 
Originally posted by Skywalkers new Hand:
If you were serious about DVD's you wouldn't be watching them on your computer anyway.
Well, lookie lookie!

Now, not that it's *really* the slightest bit your business, but:

a) my line is AUDIO. Not video. Note the little part where I was talking about live concert DVDs and soundtracks. Yes?

b) I have quite a bit invested into audio reproduction here, and frankly, I think you're out of your depth - and out of line - if you want to tell me what constitutes a "serious" system for my purposes.

c) My significant other just moved out and took the DVD player and large TV, and I won't be buying anytime soon.

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Aug 8, 2003, 07:07 AM
 
Originally posted by Angus_D:


On two accounts, as well.
It's about time someone else has a clue.

Hilarious!!!
     
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Aug 8, 2003, 08:03 AM
 
Great! So you can look up yellow and white pages in the USA. After all this time in OS X I think Apple should get off their asses and provide some useful Sherlock channels to the rest of the world. They have promised Cinema listings, phone book and eBay for ages.

Forgive me if I don't get excited about another improvement I can't use because Apple UK / Europe are too lazy.
     
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Aug 8, 2003, 08:11 AM
 
Good point well made, Jonesy.

All we can do is submit feedback until it comes out of their ears I suppose.

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Aug 8, 2003, 08:43 AM
 
Originally posted by Jim Paradise:
Some people like to use their computers as DVD players instead of buying a second device to play them. Why the hostility?
He obviously dislikes himself, to attack so many people in here.

Max asked him once, I don't think he ever got a answer.
     
 
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