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Tyre MacAdmin · May 20, 2004, 05:41 PM

Is there a keyboard combination for the force quit window?

xi_hyperon · May 20, 2004, 05:47 PM

command-option-escape

Developer · May 20, 2004, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by xi_hyperon:
command-option-escape

You didn't read that in the force quit window, did you? That would have been too easy.

Chuckit · May 20, 2004, 06:21 PM

Incidentally, anybody have any idea why Apple didn't list it as a proper keyboard shortcut? I hadn't noticed that before....

Arkham_c · May 20, 2004, 06:33 PM

Originally posted by Chuckit:
Incidentally, anybody have any idea why Apple didn't list it as a proper keyboard shortcut? I hadn't noticed that before....

It's documented in the help. This is one of those legacy things that has been around in MacOS for 15 years.

Look up "shortcuts for freezes".

arekkusu · May 20, 2004, 07:02 PM

It is documented RIGHT IN THE APPLE MENU.

Just look at the menu-- the keyboard shortcut is RIGHT THERE.

tooki · May 20, 2004, 07:16 PM

This has got to be one of the most-documented keyboard commands: it's in the Apple menu, it's in help, and it's right on the window once activated.

tooki

philzilla · May 20, 2004, 08:14 PM

another classic question from Tyler McAdams!

coming next week: "Can I use a two-button mouse on a MAC?"

itai195 · May 20, 2004, 08:18 PM

For the longest time I thought Apple had deactivated this shortcut in an OS X update... but then I realized my option key just didn't work.

True story!

thePurpleGiant · May 20, 2004, 08:56 PM

Originally posted by itai195:
For the longest time I thought Apple had deactivated this shortcut in an OS X update... but then I realized my option key just didn't work.

True story!

What a way to find out! You mean you never use the option key in Photoshop, or for copying files, accent/special characters or hiding multiple apps?

Brass · May 20, 2004, 09:23 PM

Add SHIFT to that combination to automatically force-quit the active application.

itai195 · May 20, 2004, 11:33 PM

Originally posted by thePurpleGiant:
What a way to find out! You mean you never use the option key in Photoshop, or for copying files, accent/special characters or hiding multiple apps?

I don't use Photoshop that much I guess, for some reason I always use the other option key for copying files, and I've got a mouse button set for hiding multiple apps. Now if only I knew why my left option key broke, must've been the elves.

fireside · May 20, 2004, 11:58 PM

Originally posted by arekkusu:
It is documented RIGHT IN THE APPLE MENU.

Just look at the menu-- the keyboard shortcut is RIGHT THERE.

until you realize that you have no fucking idea what those three characters are supposed to represent.

philzilla · May 21, 2004, 03:21 AM

Originally posted by fireside:
until you realize that you have no fucking idea what those three characters are supposed to represent.

the first 2 are printed on the damn keyboard, and the second is kinda obvious. anyway, when you select that option from the menu - using your mouse - the Force quit window opens, and it says in plain English which keys to use. you'd have to be blind not to see.

tooki · May 21, 2004, 03:27 AM

Actually, the U.S. keyboard has neither the Option nor Escape symbols printed on the keyboard -- they're labelled as "option" and "esc".

(Same for the control key, labeled "ctrl". Its symbol in menus is �.)

arekkusu · May 21, 2004, 02:21 PM

You have no idea what the other symbols on your keyboard mean (A, B, C...) the first time you see them, either. But you learn them! It's called education.

turtle777 · May 21, 2004, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by philzilla:
"Can I use a two-button mouse on a MAC?"

Yeah, what's the shortcut for that ?

-t

msuper69 · May 22, 2004, 10:23 AM

WTF is a 'MAC'?

Tyre MacAdmin · 08:32 PM

Man I can't think why I forgot that... I guess I wasn't thinking mac os 9.

philzilla, I work a million different architectures and the least of which is os x... let's be big boys and not start another flame... ok?

Chuckit · May 22, 2004, 06:29 PM

Originally posted by tooki:
This has got to be one of the most-documented keyboard commands: it's in the Apple menu

Not before Panther, I don't think. The Jag computer I use at work doesn't list the shortcut. I thought that was odd.

fireside · May 22, 2004, 07:54 PM

Originally posted by philzilla:
the first 2 are printed on the damn keyboard, and the second is kinda obvious. anyway, when you select that option from the menu - using your mouse - the Force quit window opens, and it says in plain English which keys to use. you'd have to be blind not to see.

while i agree that you have to be pretty dumb to not see it in the dialogue box, but my keyboard doesnt have the symbol for "option" or "esc." so it would be pretty hard to figure out what those keys meant by looking just at the keyboard.

Tyre MacAdmin · May 22, 2004, 08:53 PM

I never can remember my mac symbols...

I learn them, and then by the time I get back around to actually doing something I've forgot them all over again...

xi_hyperon · May 22, 2004, 10:15 PM

It's always so important here to belittle anyone who isn't familiar with the Mac. So the **** what if someone doesn't know the combo for the Force Quit function. Help him/her out, and move the **** along. Holy ****.

Fantastic then. This message brought to you by a drunk and somewhat annoyed xi_hyperon.

Tyre MacAdmin · May 22, 2004, 11:10 PM

Originally posted by xi_hyperon:
It's always so important here to belittle anyone who isn't familiar with the Mac. So the **** what if someone doesn't know the combo for the Force Quit function. Help him/her out, and move the **** along. Holy ****.

Fantastic then. This message brought to you by a drunk and somewhat annoyed xi_hyperon.

Thanks man... I just forgot. As much as I wish I was just a robot, I'm not

turtle777 · May 23, 2004, 12:56 AM

Originally posted by Tyler McAdams:
I never can remember my mac symbols... I learn them, and then by the time I get back around to actually doing something I've forgot them all over again...

So, can we expect this exact post from you every other day ?

-t

turtle777 · May 23, 2004, 01:00 AM

Originally posted by Tyler McAdams:
I never can remember my mac symbols... I learn them, and then by the time I get back around to actually doing something I've forgot them all over again...

Ok, on popular request (xi_hyperon), here a more constructive criticism:

If your brain is weak, JUST MAKE A F****** print-out of what the symbols mean. Or for Pete's sake, jot them down.

Gosh....

-t

Tyre MacAdmin · May 23, 2004, 03:40 AM

Originally posted by turtle777:
So, can we expect this exact post from you every other day ?

-t

lol, lets hope not.

chris_h · May 26, 2004, 06:03 AM

Originally posted by Brass:
Add SHIFT to that combination to automatically force-quit the active application.

holy shiite, my head just exploded.

way cool.

turtle777 · May 26, 2004, 09:37 AM

Originally posted by chris_h:
holy shiite, my head just exploded.

You FORCE-QUIT your head.

Man, you should NEVER do that !

-t

Appleman · May 26, 2004, 10:36 AM

Well, actually the question is to force-quit a window, instead of an applictaion. I don't know how to do that, except for command-w.

Uncle Skeleton · May 26, 2004, 12:46 PM

Originally posted by Brass:
Add SHIFT to that combination to automatically force-quit the active application.

But it doesn't work with Finder! strange...

Amorya · May 26, 2004, 02:17 PM

Originally posted by Appleman:
Well, actually the question is to force-quit a window, instead of an applictaion. I don't know how to do that, except for command-w.

That's impossible. Windows don't have their own processes.

Amorya

Appleman · May 26, 2004, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by Amorya:
That's impossible. Windows don't have their own processes.

Amorya

yep

Tyre MacAdmin · May 26, 2004, 02:31 PM

Originally posted by Amorya:
That's impossible. Windows don't have their own processes.

Amorya

Hmmm... in windows you actually can run each window as a separate process... I'd be surprised if you could not find a way to do it in OS X.

itai195 · May 26, 2004, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by Tyler McAdams:
Hmmm... in windows you actually can run each window as a separate process... I'd be surprised if you could not find a way to do it in OS X.

Windows (the operating system) has a lot of very skewed concepts about the windows (the GUI element) metaphor. No news there. Force quitting a window doesn't really make much sense.

turtle777 · May 26, 2004, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by Tyler McAdams:
Hmmm... in windows you actually can run each window as a separate process... I'd be surprised if you could not find a way to do it in OS X.

What for ?
It would suck to have dozens of symbols clutter your dock, because you have more than one document open.

If you have lost sight, just use Expose. That's better anyways.

I don't understand why people who got used to the contra-intuitive ways of Windows want the same crap on a Mac.

And, btw, the separate windows in Windows are not necessarilly separate proceses. Everytime I get Excel to freeze on XP, and I force-quite one window, ALL windows are gone. That's not the behavior of separate processes...

-t

Tyre MacAdmin · May 26, 2004, 02:49 PM

I think the separate process thing is just for IE and explorer... if you go to the folder settings in xp... it's listed half way down the page after stumbling through a million other options... tech tv said that it was to make the system more stable if you launched each window in a separate process... ergo now you can force quit/end task each window in the task manager instead of having to restart explorer or IE.