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That sums it up. However much of a disaster she may be, still better than Trump.
In a vacuum, yes. In politics? Less clear. That said, I'm not sure where Trump would be preferable to her for a conservative that he hasn't contradicted with something he said in the past.
In a vacuum, yes. In politics? Less clear. That said, I'm not sure where Trump would be preferable to her for a conservative that he hasn't contradicted with something he said in the past.
The knock against Hillary is her policies aren't based on conviction. The evidence for this how well the timing of her flips match whether the new position is politically expedient.
Trump is a bit more complicated. I'd ultimately argue he's holding certain positions because he can make political hay out of them, but for others he appears to be the least sensitive person to political expediency on the planet. It's a distinguishing trait.
Is even the most strident anti-Trumper arguing the problem with him is "what you see isn't going to be what you'll get"?
The knock against Hillary is her policies aren't based on conviction.
That goes for most of Trump's stances. ...and I realize the obvious one is The Wall. The obvious retort being, his most original ideas are the least likely to occur. He's selling shit politicians didn't think people would buy.
Originally Posted by subego
Is even the most strident anti-Trumper arguing the problem with him is "what you see isn't going to be what you'll get"?
I usually see that used in rebuttal to "You can't trust Hillary."
That goes for most of Trump's stances. ...and I realize the obvious one is The Wall. The obvious retort being, his most original ideas are the least likely to occur. He's selling shit politicians didn't think people would buy.
I usually see that used in rebuttal to "You can't trust Hillary."
I've said since day one Trump loves him some cheap, exploitable labor. His wall would land right on the neck of the golden goose. As I said, he is holding positions so he can make political hay out of them.
I'm not sure I understand the rebuttal comment. Honest apologies I consistently don't get things.
^^ Oopsie. Nothing is ever truly gone from the internet.
"I have a dream, that my four little children will one day live in a
nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin,
but by the content of their character." - M.L.King Jr
Well, you only have to watch Kimmel's Man on the Street or any other sidewalk interviews to see people no matter their politics are gullible. However, Trump has said so many crazy things, one more crazy thing is plausible. This is the man who said he'd date his own daughter.
More propaganda liberals fall for! Kinda makes you understand why those in the tank for Hillary are so stupid
People are only gullible if you trick them into believing something unbelievable. I'm not sure there is any claim you could make in the name of Trump that would count as unbelievable.
Two of them did actually say it wasn't true, lots of the others answered it like a hypothetical anyway. I don't think anyone in the video really embarrassed themselves.
I have plenty of more important things to do, if only I could bring myself to do them....
People are only gullible if you trick them into believing something unbelievable.
No, they are pretty gullible regardless. It's an attribute of humans as a species, and isn't more or less prevalent based on political ideology.
I don't really want to get into which side has the dumber people. Believe me, there's plenty of stupid to go around for both parties and trying to quantify/qualify it would be like trying to count grains of wet send - equally as pointless as well.
Stupid/ignorant people exist in droves. Water is wet, and most people think they are much smarter than they actually are.
I mean, you're just as guilty of it with posts like that.
If we want to be above it, we must not engage it. The internet has done a great many things for the world, including giving idiots everywhere a voice (not referring to anyone here). Search and you will find - that does not mean the rest of us must converge on the lowest common denominator of any ideology.
You don't win any credibility by acting just like those you're calling idiots, especially with the drive-by nature of pretty much all of your posts.
If you truly wanted to live up to your holier-than-thou attitude you ought to engage him in a constructive way that allows both of you room to grow.
Well, you only have to watch Kimmel's Man on the Street or any other sidewalk interviews to see people no matter their politics are gullible. However, Trump has said so many crazy things, one more crazy thing is plausible. This is the man who said he'd date his own daughter.
If she wasn't his daughter, and was just some random woman, that is. The hyperbole over that is crazy. Frankly I don't see how that's at all comparable, but okay.
"I have a dream, that my four little children will one day live in a
nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin,
but by the content of their character." - M.L.King Jr
She says if you are truly planning to vote for Kodos, why are you so invested in seeing to it that Hillary Clinton is not elected? She also questions your priorities.
She says if you are truly planning to vote for Kodos, why are you so invested in seeing to it that Hillary Clinton is not elected? She also questions your priorities.
Talking about Hillary's "issues" is being "invested in seeing to it that Hillary Clinton is not elected"? You think anyone is going to change their voting choice based on forum memes?
Originally Posted by besson3c
She also says "your fluff is tiresome, Chongo. Please stop, or else I will get elected and make you sad".
It isn't nearly as bad as your complaining about said "fluff".
"I have a dream, that my four little children will one day live in a
nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin,
but by the content of their character." - M.L.King Jr
It isn't nearly as bad as your complaining about said "fluff".
It is. Conservatives have been bitching about Hillary for nearly 30 years. Its utterly tedious at this point. Amusingly its probably the reason they can't convict her for anything, because even their own assume they are making it up or over-exaggerating it.
I have plenty of more important things to do, if only I could bring myself to do them....
No, they are pretty gullible regardless. It's an attribute of humans as a species, and isn't more or less prevalent based on political ideology.
I don't really want to get into which side has the dumber people. Believe me, there's plenty of stupid to go around for both parties and trying to quantify/qualify it would be like trying to count grains of wet send - equally as pointless as well.
Stupid/ignorant people exist in droves. Water is wet, and most people think they are much smarter than they actually are.
I didn't making this a partisan issue. If you don't want to get into that, why bring it up? Or was that in response to Badkosh?
I'm jJust saying that you could claim Trump said literally anything and it would be believable. Shocking nonsense is his M.O.
I have plenty of more important things to do, if only I could bring myself to do them....
A question for the peanut gallery, many of you who were in diapers when Billary was POTUS. What was the main funding mechanism for Hillary's health care plan?
A question for the peanut gallery, many of you who were in diapers when Billary was POTUS. What was the main funding mechanism for Hillary's health care plan?
A question for the peanut gallery, many of you who were in diapers when Billary was POTUS. What was the main funding mechanism for Hillary's health care plan?
Growth? How about being around since Watergate, and watching liberals and conservatives be assholes. I know the difference between liberals who do NOT connect to reality and conservatives who eat the young. Its wisdom and experience. Liberals by definition do not see reality, but see a fictional version filled with stereotypes and soap opera plots. This is why they think fictional movies are true documentaries. They talk to one another, telling each other what they HEARD from another liberal, but get it wrong when they repeat it, so after 4-5 tellings it's completely wrong. Liberals do not read.
Oh come on, try and convince me that BadKosh and the like are capable of growth.
Regardless of his capability - its yours you should be more concerned with. People may surprise you, they may not, but if your attitude is "why bother?" you'll always get what you give.
I'll engage with people worth talking to. Some are not. That's not me being pretentious.
Great, if that's the case there should be plenty of room for good discussion. I'll assume Badkosh makes your list of people worth talking to, since you engaged him not more than 3 posts ago. Shall we start?
Taking Trump & the election out of the equation completely, how do you feel about Hillary in a vacuum?
Location: Iowa, how long can this be? Does it really ruin the left column spacing?
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Aug 4, 2016, 05:58 PM
Originally Posted by Snow-i
Regardless of his capability - its yours you should be more concerned with. People may surprise you, they may not, but if your attitude is "why bother?" you'll always get what you give.
Check the post above yours and tell me again that there's a good reason to do anything but point and laugh.
Great, if that's the case there should be plenty of room for good discussion. I'll assume Badkosh makes your list of people worth talking to, since you engaged him not more than 3 posts ago.
That wasn't engagement.
Taking Trump & the election out of the equation completely, how do you feel about Hillary in a vacuum?
I believe she is not honest. I believe she does not have the best interests of the common American at heart. I believe she uses "The System" and her position in it to her advantage, both for money and influence. I believe she cannot possibly relate to a common, normal person. I believe no matter her policy positions, I cannot trust her priorities given all of the money she's taken from large corporations and other entities whose interests are in direct conflict with those of the average American.
I also believe that either side continuously whinging about whatever hot button controversy the media tells them to care about for the moment clouds real issues and desensitizes either side to hearing valid complaints about their candidate of choice.
I believe she is not honest. I believe she does not have the best interests of the common American at heart. I believe she uses "The System" and her position in it to her advantage, both for money and influence. I believe she cannot possibly relate to a common, normal person. I believe no matter her policy positions, I cannot trust her priorities given all of the money she's taken from large corporations and other entities whose interests are in direct conflict with those of the average American.
You and I agree pretty much 100% here. I bet you're shocked
I also believe that either side continuously whinging about whatever hot button controversy the media tells them to care about for the moment clouds real issues and desensitizes either side to hearing valid complaints about their candidate of choice.
Wow, even more so here.
I'm hoping that as the internet becomes ever more prevalent and all sorts of voices can gain steam, we'll not want to rely on big money MSM telling us what to care about. Right now, the MSM picks up on something juicy and we all react. I hope to see the day that the "something juicy" gets replaced with "something relevant" and doesn't come from an oligarchy that makes money on the reaction. This process, though, I believe will be long and painful.
Thank you for your thoughtful responses. Can I ask your thoughts on Trump in the same light? I'm betting we'll find as much agreement between us but I promise you this is going somewhere.
Long and painful is right. I was just thinking the other day about how youtube which has the potential to be a strong MSM alternative in many ways (not so much in others) has devolved into a cliquey mess of manufactured drama with prominent you tubers constantly feuding with each other, dating and even allegedly raping each other.
Its hard to envisage the mechanism that will wrench any form of popular internet news from the current pit of racing to the bottom chasing page views and ad revenue to a morally upstanding, unbiased, noble venture that seeks only to accurately inform the public. Its easy to blame the media of course but the public are the ones who find the truth too dull when there is so much clickbait to hand.
I have plenty of more important things to do, if only I could bring myself to do them....
One of my pet theories is the type of journalism we're familiar with and lament the passing of was an anomaly. I think its rise and fall can be directly tied to the rise and fall of network television.
This was further connected to 9/11. Just as the Network News gorilla started to topple over, people got really partisan as battle lines were drawn over the Iraq war.
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