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Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
The clip is damning, showing her to have serious lapses in cognition.
I'd say this can be argued, but is not conclusive.

If this had happened in the absence of the Secret Service going into "imminent threat" mode, it would be different.
     
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What did Secretary Clinton know, and when did she know it?
Clinton Faces Probe for Obstruction of Justice | LifeZette

The chairman of the House oversight panel on Tuesday formally requested the top federal prosecutor for the District of Columbia investigate Hillary Clinton for obstruction of justice.

Rep. Jason Chaffetz, the Utah Republican who chairs the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, sent a letter to U.S. Attorney Channing Phillips citing the investigative files the FBI turned over last week. Federal agents investigated whether Clinton’s handling of classified material on a private email server violated the law, and FBI Director James Comey ultimately declined to recommend criminal charges.
In asking for the obstruction probe, Chaffetz cited evidence that a contractor working for Clinton deleted email archives in March 2015, despite knowing they were the subject of a congressional subpoena. Chaffetz also cited a conference call with Clinton’s attorneys days before, a work ticket created the day the emails were wiped, and the use of a software program called BleachBit, designed to destroy electronic data so that it cannot be recovered.

“In light of this information, the department should investigate and determine whether Secretary Clinton or her employees and contractors violated statutes that prohibit destruction of records, obstruction of congressional inquiries, and concealment or cover up of evidence material to a congressional investigation,” he wrote.
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Nice montage.
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Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
Lead piece? Look at the specific timestamps I mentioned, perhaps?
Ok, I see, your source is only partially completely credible. Got it.
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Ahh, there you are, that's more of what I expected. Go back under your rock.
You really would think someone so prodigious at spewing utter nonsense would have developed a thicker skin when he was called out on in. Or, at a minimum, have developed more intelligent, or at least entertaining, retorts.
     
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Sep 6, 2016, 02:49 PM
 
I'm not sure why it's so mysterious that a political candidate giving a bazillion speeches a day might have a sore throat, or heaven forfend, a cold.
     
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At a bare minimum that's acute bronchitis.

I don't cough like that when I have a cold and I smoke two packs a day.
     
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Even so, Bronchitis is not permanent.
     
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That depends, but I used the qualifier "acute" intentionally.

Calling it a "cold" is underselling it. That's my complaint.
     
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What did Secretary Clinton know, and when did she know it?
Clinton Faces Probe for Obstruction of Justice | LifeZette
This truly getting to Nixonian proportions.
EmailGate and the Mystery of the Missing GAMMA | Observer

It’s nice to see the FBI finally confirm just how much highly classified information got exposed here, but I reported this many months ago from Intelligence Community sources, including that Hillary’s “unclassified” emails included Top Secret SAP information from CIA and Top Secret SCI information from NSA.

Which leads to a troubling matter: What the FBI did not mention in its big data dump on EmailGate.

As I told you in this column back in January, Hillary emails included very highly classified intelligence from NSA. In early June 2011, the secretary of state received a long email from her longtime friend and factotum Sid Blumenthal regarding Sudan. This was an astonishingly detailed assessment of high-level political and military machinations in that country, specifically inside information about coup plotting.

This explosive information was timely and deep in the weeds on Sudanese happenings. It’s difficult to see how Blumenthal—a lawyer and Washington fixer, no sort of Africa hand or James Bond—got his hands on such juicy intelligence. As I’ve noted, “Blumenthal’s information came from a top-ranking source with direct access to Sudan’s top military and intelligence officials, and recounted a high-level meeting that had taken place only 24 hours before.” How did Sid obtain this amazing scoop for Hillary?

If Hillary Clinton becomes our next president, we can be certain that her trusty sidekick Sid Blumenthal will have an important role in her White House.
Not to mention that, in terms of verbiage and format, Blumenthal’s email read exactly like classified NSA reporting, as anybody acquainted with our SIGINT would immediately recognize. As one veteran agency official told me back in January, Blumenthal’s email was NSA information with “at least 90 percent confidence.”

Which was no coincidence, since an NSA investigation subsequently determined that Blumenthal’s Sudan assessment was derived from their reporting—in some cases verbatim. As I reported in March, NSA concluded that Blumenthal’s Sudan report came from four different agency SIGINT reports, all classified Top Secret/SCI. Then it got worse:

At least one of those reports was issued under the GAMMA compartment, which is an NSA handling caveat that is applied to extraordinarily sensitive information (for instance, decrypted conversations between top foreign leadership, as this was). GAMMA is properly viewed as a SIGINT Special Access Program, or SAP, several of which Clinton compromised in another series of her “unclassified” emails.

NSA had no doubt that Blumenthal somehow got his hands on some of their “crown jewels” information. “It’s word-for-word, verbatim copying,” an agency official of them explained. “In one case, an entire paragraph was lifted from an NSA report” that was classified Top Secret/SCI. To add to the mystery, Sid emailed Hillary his “personal” assessment on Sudan only hours after some of those classified NSA reports were issued.

Somehow Sid Blumenthal—who in 2011 was not working for the U.S. government in any capacity and had not held security clearances in a decade—was reading above-top-secret NSA reports just hours after they appeared in tightly restricted GAMMA channels.

Suspicion quickly fell on Tyler Drumheller, a retired senior CIA official with a somewhat dodgy reputation. He served as a case officer of sorts for Blumenthal’s private intelligence shop, peddling information of sometimes dubious provenance. Possessing contacts with several spy services, the former CIA man seemed like a plausible source for this NSA leak. Conveniently for the Clintons, Drumheller died of cancer in August 2015, just as EmailGate was becoming big news.

The FBI asked Hillary about this odd situation. She downplayed it all, stating that she often didn’t read Sid’s emails, implying her old friend was wordy and long-winded. She told the FBI she had “no concerns” that the information Blumenthal sent her might be classified. Although his name was redacted, it’s obvious that the FBI brought up Tyler Drumheller as well in their interview with the Democratic nominee. Only adding to this mystery, Hillary told the FBI that she considered Blumenthal’s private intelligence assessments to be “journalistic” because Sid “did not have a clearance and was not in government at that time.”

Although it’s impossible to be certain, since roughly one-third of the FBI’s materials on EmailGate that the Bureau released last week have been redacted on security grounds, there’s no evidence in what we can see that the issue of Blumenthal’s Sudan email ever came up in the interview or the investigation. There’s no mention in the FBI report of any email dated June 8, 2011—much less anything about compromised above-top-secret NSA information. The term GAMMA never appears in the paperwork the Bureau released last week.

Why not? It’s normal that the FBI will keep any highly classified information from public view, even if it’s been all over the internet thanks to Hillary’s emails. However, it behooves the FBI to let the public know the full extent of classified information that was compromised in EmailGate.

What the Intelligence Community terms the “fact of” what happened—meaning classified details are omitted—is something the public has a right to know before November 8. Details aren’t necessary—those are rightly kept classified—but the FBI needs to level with the American people. Not admitting that above-top-secret NSA information was compromised only furthers the Clintonian cover-up at this point.

The Bureau punted on recommending Clinton for prosecution in EmailGate, which reeks of dirty Washington politics. Why has the FBI now let her off the hook for her role in the compromise of extraordinarily classified American intelligence? Any normal citizen who put compartmented SIGINT on the open internet would be frog-walked into federal custody without delay.

The public has a right to know how Top Secret/SCI and GAMMA intelligence, some of our country’s most tightly guarded secrets, wound up in Sid Blumenthal’s hands, quickly. It’s unpleasant to besmirch the dead, but if Tyler Drumheller was the source of this purloined NSA information, we need to establish that—including where he got it from. And if Blumenthal’s conduit here wasn’t Drumheller, then who was it?

This is important because if Hillary Clinton becomes our next president—which at this point looks more likely than not—we can be certain that her trusty sidekick Sid Blumenthal will have an important role in her White House, no matter what his ostensible job title may be. The American public needs to know the full truth about EmailGate, especially regarding its compromise of highly classified information, before our fast-approaching election.

John Schindler is a security expert and former National Security Agency analyst and counterintelligence officer. A specialist in espionage and terrorism, he’s also been a Navy officer and a War College professor. He’s published four books and is on Twitter at @20committee.
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Sep 6, 2016, 06:05 PM
 
Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
I already did.
Then why isn't she in jail?


False equivalence. The clip is damning, showing her to have serious lapses in cognition.
14 hours of being in the hot seat, no arrest.

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Sep 6, 2016, 06:30 PM
 
Is "nothing happened this particular day" conclusive in some way I'm missing?

It's a fair point, not a slam dunk.
     
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Sep 6, 2016, 06:39 PM
 
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Then why isn't she in jail?
Because during that tete a tete Bubba told Lynch she'd end up in Fort Marcy Park. Comey has let the Clintons off the hook before.
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14 hours of being in the hot seat, no arrest.
That when then, this now.

Once again, these are recent manifestations of medical issues.

Also, men actually did land on the moon.
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Sep 6, 2016, 07:25 PM
 
Nobody's interested in my hindsight analysis of how Hillary could have better handled Phlegmghazi, but I never let that stop me.

Apart from the aforementioned poor mic technique, the brass ring one grabs for in these type of circumstances is to own it.

That's what her joke about being allergic to Trump was.

Problem is her voice was broken. Don't grab the brass ring with your broken tool.

The tools which weren't broken were her face and body. Those are the tools she had to tell her story.

Hand (microphone hand God dammit) on her hip. Shaking her head with a smile on her face. A look to the audience which uses everything from the hair on her head to her presumably fantastic pedicure to non-verbally communicate "get a load of my luck".

Once that story's been told, the liability can become a strength. Doesn't matter if it comes off like she's dying. "You know, I've been talking a lot..."


Alternatively, she waves up Tim, asks him to vamp for a few minutes, then goes in back and gets a cortisone shot from the Hulk.
     
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Authentically hacking up a lung.
Dude, she is!
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Someone who can handle watching the whole video needs to find out if that happened before or after she pops the lozenge.
     
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Sep 6, 2016, 09:37 PM
 
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Someone who can handle watching the whole video needs to find out if that happened before or after she pops the lozenge.
It's looks like a lozenge, and more.
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Sep 6, 2016, 10:46 PM
 
Do loogs sink? I try to keep mine out of the pool.
     
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Phlegm does
Better photo
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I'd say this can be argued, but is not conclusive.

If this had happened in the absence of the Secret Service going into "imminent threat" mode, it would be different.
There was no threat, there was a person with a sign. Look at her expression, how the Hulk talked her back to reality. That's f***ed up.
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Ok, I see, your source is only partially completely credible. Got it.
It's like anything else online: amateur. She isn't a journalist. The parts I pointed out are particularly damning, however, and are from an actual news source (the AP).

You really would think someone so prodigious at spewing utter nonsense would have developed a thicker skin when he was called out on in. Or, at a minimum, have developed more intelligent, or at least entertaining, retorts.
You've outgrown your rock and moved directly to bridges? I'm quite entertained, it isn't my job to accommodate whatever kink you're into.
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He's baaaaack
Wow! Hillary's Mysterious Handler Pops Up on Plane During Coughing Fit

Now for some Uber Fluffy Videos.
Hillary's cough is due to Parkinson's swallowing disorder?


I wonder if this guy will be found in Fort Marcy Park?
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Blair White, a "valley girl" trans-woman (so she tends to overemphasize being feminine, because she's still transitioning), who just so happens to have a Master's in criminology. Try not to be a bigot. Thanks.
I just assumed she was a [biological] woman so I'm pretty sure that makes me exactly the opposite of a bigot. I don't see how Criminology makes you an expert on identifying blurred, weird-loking syringes in poor quality internet videos. She still just comes across like every other loony conspiracy theorist on Youtube. No doubt the syringe caused 9/11.
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Jill Stein should change her first name to "Ein".
If she changes it to "Ramm" she gets a cool song.
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With Hillary as POTUS, you can expect this on steroids.
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Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
It's like anything else online: amateur. She isn't a journalist. The parts I pointed out are particularly damning, however, and are from an actual news source (the AP).
What is at issue is her interpretation. Anyone who argues a 'comic' reaction is a seizure is either a lying zealot or not terribly bright. Either way, she demonstrates limited credibility.
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I assume this is an attempt at wit? Keep at it. With some hard work and dedication, you'll get there tiger!
     
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Originally Posted by Paco500 View Post
What is at issue is her interpretation. Anyone who argues a 'comic' reaction is a seizure is either a lying zealot or not terribly bright. Either way, she demonstrates limited credibility.
Given that was Chongo's argument I hope you don't get infraction points for insulting him

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There was no threat, there was a person with a sign. Look at her expression, how the Hulk talked her back to reality. That's f***ed up.
Whether Hillary considers it a threat will be based on how her protection detail behaves.

Her detail behaved as if someone started to block their view of the crowd. When the guy they can't see next to the flag waver pulls out a gun, they don't get to say "but it was just a guy with a sign".
     
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Originally Posted by Paco500 View Post
What is at issue is her interpretation. Anyone who argues a 'comic' reaction is a seizure is either a lying zealot or not terribly bright. Either way, she demonstrates limited credibility.

Also, I predict that someone somewhere has made the argument that "if she wants to be the commander in chief she should have good judgment as to what is and isn't funny".

What does it take to get people to focus on stuff that actually matters rather than nonsense?
     
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What is at issue is her interpretation. Anyone who argues a 'comic' reaction is a seizure is either a lying zealot or not terribly bright. Either way, she demonstrates limited credibility.
Is she a lying zealot, or just a zealot?
     
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If you view the videos I posted, the new claim is Hillary is suffering from Parkinson's. The cough is due to the swallowing issues that accompany Parkinson's.
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I've posted a pic of him wearing a Secret Service pin. This isn't enough evidence he's Secret Service?
     
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I've posted a pic of him wearing a Secret Service pin. This isn't enough evidence he's Secret Service?
The Secret Service doesn't have EMS on staff?
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The Secret Service doesn't have EMS on staff?
Undercover EMS? Dressed like an agent down to the lapel identifier?
     
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Can we create a subsection of this forum for the nonsense?
     
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Undercover EMS, coming this fall to NBC, from the producers of NCIS: Everywhere and The Wire.
     
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Undercover EMS, coming this fall to NBC, from the producers of NCIS: Everywhere and The Wire.
That would be CBS. Forest Whitaker can portray the Hulk.
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We're all gonna have egg on our faces when Hillary drops dead before Election Day.

Of course, The GOP will have egg on it's face when Tim Kaine wins anyway.
     
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Is she a lying zealot, or just a zealot?
Well, I assumed she could be lying because she''s a zealot, but there could be other reasons. Page hits/Ad revenue?

If she believes it because she's a zealot, she's not very bright, so option 2 would come into play.
     
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Originally Posted by Paco500 View Post
Well, I assumed she could be lying because she''s a zealot, but there could be other reasons. Page hits/Ad revenue?

If she believes it because she's a zealot, she's not very bright, so option 2 would come into play.
Fair enough.

How's about she's having difficulty looking past her own bias. Plenty of bright, non-zealots fall prey to this.
     
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Can we create a subsection of this forum for the nonsense?
This is a fancy way of telling people to shut the **** up.

I would disagree that's somehow a more worthy argument than what it's being addressed to.
     
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We're all gonna have egg on our faces when Hillary drops dead before Election Day.
That's phlegm.
     
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That's phlegm.
Phlegm cover cough drops. If the guy in this video is correct, Hillary is trying to keep at bay a cough that is not going to be affected by throat lozenges or cough syrup. She was sucking on cough drops or Sucrettes when she had the first fit. Yes, www.Vidzette.com is an anti Hillary site.
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Gosh I wish my doctor would diagnose my medical issues via hearsay.

what a quack.
     
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So, a Secret Service agent puts their career on the line and leaks to Alex Jones instead of FOX?

     
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Gosh I wish my doctor would diagnose my medical issues via hearsay.

what a quack.
The Wikileaks emails shows Hillary had her staff looking up anti Parkinson's medications.
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I guess this is where the onset started.

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I have plenty of more important things to do, if only I could bring myself to do them....
     
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Then why did she have her staff researching Parkinson's medications? For Bubba?
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Then why did she have her staff researching Parkinson's medications? For Bubba?

As a wealthy, educated woman why would she have her staff research that? Thats what doctors are for.

Maybe she was worried about all the conspiracy theorists.
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Hillary's news spokesman has revealed what the C meant on her emails.
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