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Nov 14, 2006, 01:49 PM
 
Soledad O'Brien and Miles O'Brien tell it like it is on CNN's "American Morning" show.

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Nov 14, 2006, 02:07 PM
 
Miles: "Why don't they get some decent design people to make that thing look better? That thing is clunky."



I like the end when Soledad takes out her new Shuffle, clips it onto her jacket, and turns the segment into a commercial for Apple.
     
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Nov 14, 2006, 02:13 PM
 
CNN Money did a iPod v. Zune comparison. Winner? No surprise for the iPod.

Zune vs. iPod: the battle begins | 1 | FORTUNE
     
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Nov 14, 2006, 02:17 PM
 
Originally Posted by xi_hyperon View Post
Miles: "Why don't they get some decent design people to make that thing look better? That thing is clunky."



I like the end when Soledad takes out her new Shuffle, clips it onto her jacket, and turns the segment into a commercial for Apple.
The 'Tech Guy' was clearly irritated by the way Miles and Soledad turned the tables on him.
     
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Nov 14, 2006, 02:43 PM
 
Burn!


By the looks of the reviews I've seen so far...

There may not be a Zune 2.0
     
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Nov 14, 2006, 02:53 PM
 
Originally Posted by Sourbook View Post
The 'Tech Guy' was clearly irritated by the way Miles and Soledad turned the tables on him.
I dunno, it kind of looked like he started the derail. "You know, Microsoft in the end will come out with something - I don't know if it'll be that pretty, but something - isn't that neat? Oh my God."

I thought that was kind of weird, actually.

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Nov 14, 2006, 02:58 PM
 
Originally Posted by xi_hyperon View Post
I like the end when Soledad takes out her new Shuffle, clips it onto her jacket, and turns the segment into a commercial for Apple.
The battle is over before it's really begun.
     
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Nov 14, 2006, 03:18 PM
 
the listen 3 times thing then buy is a good idea, but the zune nah.
     
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Nov 14, 2006, 03:43 PM
 
Originally Posted by xi_hyperon View Post

I like the end when Soledad takes out her new Shuffle, clips it onto her jacket, and turns the segment into a commercial for Apple.
Did she say it holds 70 songs? Cause my 512MB shuffle holds 120-140 pretty easily.
     
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Nov 14, 2006, 04:23 PM
 
Originally Posted by Gossamer View Post
Did she say it holds 70 songs? Cause my 512MB shuffle holds 120-140 pretty easily.
I'm pretty sure she said it was 70 dollars.
     
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Originally Posted by nonhuman View Post
I'm pretty sure she said it was 70 dollars.
Yep.

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Nov 14, 2006, 04:36 PM
 
Originally Posted by xi_hyperon View Post
Miles: "Why don't they get some decent design people to make that thing look better? That thing is clunky."



I like the end when Soledad takes out her new Shuffle, clips it onto her jacket, and turns the segment into a commercial for Apple.
It's great. I remember when Soledad took out her PowerBook G3 one day on TV and was showing it off. This was great news however.

I love the "no comment" remark.
     
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Originally Posted by kmkkid View Post


Great news !

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Nov 14, 2006, 04:55 PM
 
So if you meet another Zune user at Starbucks, you can't grab a copy of their song without asking them to send it to you first? You have to pester strangers to ask for their music?
     
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So if you meet another Zune user at Starbucks, you can't grab a copy of their song without asking them to send it to you first? You have to pester strangers to ask for their music?
I'm glad. I wouldn't want just anyone connecting to my zune, god knows what viruses they may infect my zune with.

Not that I'd ever buy a zune anyways.
     
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Originally Posted by RAILhead View Post
Yes.


No thanks. When I have my earphones on, I don't want to be bothered.
     
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Nov 14, 2006, 05:19 PM
 
Originally Posted by Oversoul View Post
No thanks. When I have my earphones on, I don't want to be bothered.
Too bad. WELCOME TO THE SOCIAL.
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Nov 14, 2006, 05:22 PM
 
Originally Posted by kmkkid View Post
I'm glad. I wouldn't want just anyone connecting to my zune, god knows what viruses they may infect my zune with.
Haha, I can't wait for the first WiFi spreading virus for the Zune. That'll be a blast

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Nov 14, 2006, 05:43 PM
 
i'm surprised it doesn't have a feature that transfers a picture of you (the user) to the other person's Zune and then prompt them to allow your leeching.

of course, then people will just use a sexy woman's picture as the default profile pic, hoping people hit OK before looking around the room.
     
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Nov 14, 2006, 08:04 PM
 
I just saw this and came here to post about it. That is the funniest thing I've seen in a LONG time. They totally bash the Zune (and rightfully so) and then turn it into an Apple commercial. Priceless.
     
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Nov 14, 2006, 08:14 PM
 
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Nov 14, 2006, 08:46 PM
 
Originally Posted by Sourbook View Post
The 'Tech Guy' was clearly irritated by the way Miles and Soledad turned the tables on him.
I think he was not even convinced himself to start with. I like the very innocent sounding question early
'Can you retrieve email with the WiFi'. Nope. Bam!
Yeah that's a killer review for the Zune. Let's not underestimate Microsoft power though and also let's not underestimate the loss of the cool factor for the iPod now that everybody and his/her grandmother has one... That might be a bigger problem for Apple than the Zune.
     
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Originally Posted by icruise View Post
I just saw this and came here to post about it. That is the funniest thing I've seen in a LONG time. They totally bash the Zune (and rightfully so) and then turn it into an Apple commercial. Priceless.
When she pulled out the new Shuffle I thought "No. Effing. Way."
     
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Nov 14, 2006, 08:59 PM
 
On the Today show this morning, they had the Zune on and Al Roker and Matt Lauer talked about the songs on their iPods while Meredith Veira said she didn't mind the idea of sharing a song and having it go away after 3 days.
     
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Originally Posted by kmkkid View Post
Burn!


By the looks of the reviews I've seen so far...

There may not be a Zune 2.0
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Nov 14, 2006, 09:07 PM
 
None of the features the Zune are all that unique.

You can already pick up a radio for the iPod... and the wireless thing could be added to the iPod without major reengineering. IMHO, Apple could probably make it cooler.
     
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Target stores have replaced the iPod endcap with a Zune endcap.
     
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Nov 14, 2006, 10:07 PM
 
And moved the iPod to it's own aisle.
     
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Nov 14, 2006, 10:29 PM
 
Boy, that was harsh. MS is not going to be happy about that. Can you say no more advertising!
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Nov 15, 2006, 01:18 AM
 
Check out the piece on the Zune on the BBC Radio NewsPod (2006/11/14). They feature 3 vox pops, all pro-Zune. On a Podcast. Oh the irony.

But according to Wiki, the Zune's big selling point is a bit of a non-feature:

Songs wirelessly transferred from one Zune to another can only be played three times. After three days, the song expires – regardless of whether or not it has been played. Just playing half the song (or one minute, whichever comes first) counts as one “play.” You can never resend a song to the same friend, nor can a song received from someone else be passed on to a third person. These limitations apply to all files, including copyright-free self-recorded songs and similar.
     
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Originally Posted by xi_hyperon View Post
Miles: "Why don't they get some decent design people to make that thing look better? That thing is clunky."
Clunky? He should see the case.

     
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Clunky? He should see the case.

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That's a Speck ToughSkin. They've been available for the iPod for several years now.


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Originally Posted by Tiresias View Post
Check out the piece on the Zune on the BBC Radio NewsPod (2006/11/14). They feature 3 vox pops, all pro-Zune. On a Podcast. Oh the irony.

But according to Wiki, the Zune's big selling point is a bit of a non-feature:
And according to CNN Money and Microsoft it's even more of a non-feature:

Even though I purchased music from the Zune Marketplace, and even though I was willing to abide by the DRM's restriction of allowing three plays of a shared song within three days, half the songs I tried to send wirelessly were rejected because, according to the Zune display, I lacked the rights to share those songs. Asked about this, a Microsoft spokesperson said DRM is complicated and that not all artists and labels adhere to the three days and three plays guidelines. Basically, you don't know what the rights are unless you right-click to check every song.

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Originally Posted by Tiresias View Post
Clunky? He should see the case.

Dude, honestly, that's pretty cool looking. If a bit bulky. Looks like a prop from Stargate or something.

Originally Posted by MaxPower2k3 View Post
That's a Speck ToughSkin. They've been available for the iPod for several years now.

Looks a LOT less cool in that pic though.
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Originally Posted by mitchell_pgh View Post
None of the features the Zune are all that unique.

You can already pick up a radio for the iPod... and the wireless thing could be added to the iPod without major reengineering. IMHO, Apple could probably make it cooler.
By adding a phone function.
     
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Originally Posted by Oversoul View Post
CNN Money did a iPod v. Zune comparison. Winner? No surprise for the iPod.

Zune vs. iPod: the battle begins | 1 | FORTUNE
With the Zune's interface, it's much easier to drill down through music or photo choices, or to scroll horizontally through albums, artists, playlists, songs and genres. For those who have long lists of albums or artists, the Zune aids in rapid scrolling by showing a large letter of the alphabet, letting you know, for example, that you've reached the R section.

This guy needs to update his iPod or something.

My iPod displays a large letter of the alphabet when I scroll at speed through my library.

Don't they all?
     
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couldnt you just "borrow" the song, get home, stick an audio cable into the zune and the other into your computer and record the song?
     
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couldnt you just "borrow" the song, get home, stick an audio cable into the zune and the other into your computer and record the song?
Sure, but you lose quality that way.
     
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Sure, but you lose quality that way.
yeah. but if you got some of those expensive high-quality cables..
     
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Nov 15, 2006, 10:44 AM
 
I can't see why anyone would want a Zune - it seems as though the entire design of this thing is to get your money in as many ways as possible.

At least with the iPod I can add whatever I want, sans wma files (which I don't have anyway)
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Originally Posted by osiris View Post
I can't see why anyone would want a Zune - it seems as though the entire design of this thing is to get your money in as many ways as possible.

At least with the iPod I can add whatever I want, sans wma files (which I don't have anyway)
It's more about building the new brand and getting mindshare than getting everyone to buy one now. The version 1.0 Zune is crap, and MS probably knows this. They probably know that this version won't sell that well. They aren't bothered by that. Why? Their objective is that by the time they a version out there worth looking at, everyone will know the name Zune, what it can do, and where they can get one.
     
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What gets me is that the launch version won't work with Vista. Of course, Vista hasn't officially launched yet, but given Microsoft's large developer and beta program, this seems to be quite a slap in the face to the people who have helped it bring that OS to a launchable state. It also leads to uncertainty over whether Microsoft will be able to get the software out the door before Vista actually launches, given that they seem to have had trouble getting it done before the Zune launched.

And when it comes right down to it, all the technology in the Zune doesn't matter one whit if you can't make it work. It's an expensive brick.
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Nov 15, 2006, 11:30 AM
 
It has the same clunkyness of all the MS products, and will probably appeal to those who aren't even aware of other brands. After all, I STILL HEAR PC users not looking at iPods because they thought it only worked on an Apple machine.
     
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Originally Posted by kick52 View Post
yeah. but if you got some of those expensive high-quality cables..
Yeah, but how high quality are the audio ports on your Zune and your computer?
     
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Originally Posted by Y3a View Post
It has the same clunkyness of all the MS products, and will probably appeal to those who aren't even aware of other brands. After all, I STILL HEAR PC users not looking at iPods because they thought it only worked on an Apple machine.
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