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Lava Lamp Freak · Aug 16, 2006, 04:32 PM

From CNN...

A suspect in the JonBenet Ramsey murder has been arrested in Thailand, Denver TV station KUSA reports. CNN working to confirm.

Wow, never expected to read this.

Lava Lamp Freak · Aug 16, 2006, 04:34 PM

Arrest made in JonBenet Ramsey murder case

Denver, Colorado - A Boulder County District Attorney investigator is bringing a suspect in the JonBenet Ramsey murder case back to the United States.

The suspect was arrested in Bangkok, Thailand Wednesday morning.

The suspect has confessed to certain elements of the crime that are unknown to the general public.

The suspect is expected to arrive back in the United States, possibly within the next two days, accompanied by an investigator from the Boulder DA's office.

The Boulder County DA's office has not confirmed the identity of the suspect, but is expected to have a press conference later today.

http://www.tampabays10.com/news/loca...?storyid=37666

mitchell_pgh · Aug 16, 2006, 04:39 PM

What I think is sad... is that so much money and energy was spent on this one girl. I wonder how many other US children are missing... and get little more than a police interview.

Ghoser777 · Aug 16, 2006, 04:42 PM

Yeah, but she's pretty - and pretty girls are more important than the rest.

baw · Aug 16, 2006, 04:42 PM

Who would have thought

baw · Aug 16, 2006, 04:43 PM

You guys are dicks.

Landos Mustache · Aug 16, 2006, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by mitchell_pgh

What I think is sad... is that so much money and energy was spent on this one girl. I wonder how many other US children are missing... and get little more than a police interview.

She was white, pretty and had rich parents. What do you expect?

mitchell_pgh · Aug 16, 2006, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

She was white, pretty and had rich parents. What do you expect?

That's my point. It's upsetting. Many now hire PR firms to raise a stink, and it works.

Also, I wonder how much was spent searching for this person or people? I'm not saying the police should just give up, and it gives me hope that they really do continue searching long after the spotlight is off the case.

EDIT: I'm VERY glad they got the murder that did this... but it seems like the wealthy have a more direct access to the media.

davesimondotcom · Aug 16, 2006, 04:55 PM

What will be interesting is finding out who this person is and why they are suspected of the crime.

I've always been of the opinion that her brother might have been responsible and that's why the parents were so uncooperative at times.

It is sick, however, this fascination the American public has had with this girl. Her mom had her all dolled up in a way I wouldn't let my teenager (if I had one) appear. A 6 year old should be enjoying youth, not wearing lots of makup and being judged by how pretty she is.

That's MHO, YMMV.

smacintush · Aug 16, 2006, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by mitchell_pgh

What I think is sad... is that so much money and energy was spent on this one girl. I wonder how many other US children are missing... and get little more than a police interview.

Or this case just got tons of press.

There is tons of money being spent on tons of murder cases in tons of places around the country.

With tons of cops working on them.

Plus if you know anything about the case you know that there were tons of mistakes that were made in this case that required tons of catch-up work. So the large amount of money and energy you perceive as as being spent was preceded by a tons of stupidity.

So, shouldn't we be happy that they have an arrest instead of complaining that they unfairly "tried too hard"

ghporter · Aug 16, 2006, 06:03 PM

What's more to the point about Jon Benet's case is not that she was white and from a rich family. It's that there were so many odd things about the case from the start. Kids don't disappear in that neighborhood, from unbroken homes, with evidence of an apparant kidnapping.

The kidnapping aspect is what got the press rolling on this, and they stuck to it because they could milk the "poor little kidnapped beauty queen" angle-and people have been buying that schlock for a decade.

Most disappearances are performed by a parent who didn't get custody, or by someone who grabs the kid, does something awful with her, kills her, and then dumps her body somewhere where it's never found.

Zeeb · Aug 16, 2006, 06:36 PM

I can't help but think that if Jon Benet's parents weren't wealthy--one or both of them would be in jail right now. It's scary that we don't realize just how sloppy police work can be until someone rich gets targeted and they can afford an adequate defense to expose it. In this case, the parents turned out to be innocent but it seems the cops don't worry so much about that, they just target the easiest person to pin the crime on and go with it.

Makes me wonder how many truly innocent people are in jail due to lazy investigators.

spacefreak · Aug 16, 2006, 07:33 PM

If you're so worried about innocents in jail, why not start with criticism with public defenders instead of whining about rich white people?

Millennium · Aug 16, 2006, 07:45 PM

Well, I suppose this will give the tabloids another year of JonBenet stories to keep them going.

Sad, really; this whole debacle had gone on for longer than JonBenet herself was actually alive. But then, I suppose it's good to see that the original Pretty White Girl Media Circus may finally be drawing to a close.

Rev-O · Aug 16, 2006, 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by Zeeb

I can't help but think that if Jon Benet's parents weren't wealthy--one or both of them would be in jail right now. It's scary that we don't realize just how sloppy police work can be until someone rich gets targeted and they can afford an adequate defense to expose it. In this case, the parents turned out to be innocent but it seems the cops don't worry so much about that, they just target the easiest person to pin the crime on and go with it.

Makes me wonder how many truly innocent people are in jail due to lazy investigators.

You seem to know little about this case and how it evolved. In this case much of the police 'sloppiness' is linked to how wealthy the family was, and the amount of preferential treatment they got.

Kerrigan · Aug 16, 2006, 08:00 PM

Why would a girl be named John? Weird parents.

Kevin · Aug 16, 2006, 09:22 PM

If it comes out that the parents weren't involved, some people owe her dad a big apology.

ghporter · Aug 16, 2006, 10:09 PM

And her late mom-who the tabloids had murdering her in a number of ways for a number of reasons. The Enquirer by itself should owe the family bazillions in reparations.

demograph68 · Aug 16, 2006, 10:10 PM

I'd hit it!

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Aug 16, 2006, 10:20 PM

Originally Posted by demograph68

I'd hit it!

Not funny.

demograph68 · Aug 16, 2006, 10:23 PM

I try not to be.

Kerrigan · Aug 16, 2006, 10:26 PM

You're just depressed, that's all.

davesimondotcom · Aug 16, 2006, 10:35 PM

I've heard that the guy they arrested was emailing Patsy Ramsey before her death with details of the crime, and it was Mrs. Ramsey that turned him in to the cops. They investigated and found out that he knows details he shouldn't know.

Salty · Aug 16, 2006, 11:43 PM

Originally Posted by demograph68

I'd hit it!

Sick on so many levels.

demograph68 · Aug 16, 2006, 11:48 PM

Originally Posted by Salty

Sick on so many levels.

I think the point I was making was how she had been paraded around like fresh meat.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Aug 16, 2006, 11:57 PM

Originally Posted by demograph68

I'd hit it!

"the girl had received a massive blow to the head"

demograph68 · Aug 17, 2006, 12:01 AM

A double pun? excellent.

subego · Aug 17, 2006, 02:37 AM

Originally Posted by spacefreak

If you're so worried about innocents in jail, why not start with criticism with prosecutors instead of whining about rich white people?

Fixinated.

Kr0nos · Aug 17, 2006, 03:21 AM

BANGKOK (Reuters) - An American suspected over the murder of six-year-old beauty queen JonBenet Ramsey during Christmas 1996 has said her death was an accident, a senior Thai policeman said on Thursday.
"He killed the girl by accident," Immigration Police chief Lieutenant-General Suwat Tumroungsiskul told reporters after primary school teacher John Mark Karr, 41, was interrogated a day after his arrest in Bangkok.

"They fell in love with each other. She was very beautiful. So he kidnapped her and killed her by accident," Suwat said.

'Fell in love'?

Reuters…

molala · Aug 17, 2006, 03:43 AM

I'm glad he was finally caught and hope it is the right guy. The one documentary I saw about this (years and years ago) implied it was the parents, and I didn't give it a second thought because she did have an unusual childhood. They went through much more than grieving.

Big Mac · Aug 17, 2006, 05:44 AM

If this guy truly is guilty, it's terrible that Patsy did not live to see herself and her husband fully exonerated of the crime in the court of public opinion.

subego · Aug 17, 2006, 07:01 AM

Is this guy tripping anyone else's gaydar, or is it just me?

mojo2 · Aug 17, 2006, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by Kevin

If it comes out that the parents weren't involved, some people owe her dad a big apology.

At this point it looks like they weren't and they do.

That's why I always try to withhold judgment until I have as much info as possible or til there's a need to decide.

I'm glad I waited. I would feel really crappy knowing I helped add to the parent's angst, even psychically.

mojo2 · Aug 17, 2006, 07:16 AM

Originally Posted by subego

Is this guy tripping anyone else's gaydar, or is it just me?

My creepdar is screamin.

subego · Aug 17, 2006, 07:33 AM

Originally Posted by mojo2

My creepdar is screamin.

And how.

Which is why I even bothered to mention it. They're generally on way different frequencies.

Zeeb · Aug 17, 2006, 07:40 AM

Originally Posted by spacefreak

If you're so worried about innocents in jail, why not start with criticism with public defenders instead of whining about rich white people?

As I said, the only reason the parents aren't in jail right now is because they are rich. Had they been poor with a public defender they would probably be in prison serving a murder sentence.

The point I was trying to make is that there probably are a lot of innocent poor people in prison because of botched investigations.

Landos Mustache · Aug 17, 2006, 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by subego

Is this guy tripping anyone else's gaydar, or is it just me?

I gave him a scan and he has a bit more of a kiddy porn vibe to him.

Considering he "loved" her I would have to say no on the gay thing as he would have done something horrible to a boy and she was definitely very feminine looking.

Person Man · Aug 17, 2006, 09:33 AM

So, how long do you think it will be before her family starts filing lawsuits against the tabloids?

moonmonkey · Aug 17, 2006, 10:02 AM

That was one short lady.

Oozinator · Aug 17, 2006, 10:02 AM

So the dad wasn't the killer? Huh. Well, he should still go to jail. Why? He's responsible. If he hadn't allowed his little girl to be dressed up like an expensive texas whore, then this guy probably wouldn't have kidnapped her. Case closed, and hopefully the tabloids and start showing more pictures of fat celebrities or something.

Ghoser777 · Aug 17, 2006, 10:08 AM

Wow...

Millennium · Aug 17, 2006, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by Oozinator

So the dad wasn't the killer? Huh. Well, he should still go to jail. Why? He's responsible. If he hadn't allowed his little girl to be dressed up like an expensive texas whore, then this guy probably wouldn't have kidnapped her.

As long as we're going to play the indirection game, let's keep going, and hold the organizations that host these pageants responsible. If they didn't exist, then the father would have had no incentive to enter his daughter in them, and then this guy probably wouldn't have kidnapped her.

But no. While I find these pageants to be creepy, I don't hold them responsible for the choices made by kidnappers. This man chose to kidnap her, and he could have chosen not to. Perhaps he didn't mean to kill her -though this still leaves open the question of exactly how she died- but even if this gets the murder charge downgraded to manslaughter, we still have to address the kidnapping charges.

Oozinator · Aug 17, 2006, 10:43 AM

Sure. But dressing up little girls like whores IS NOT RIGHT, and he should be held partially responsible.

greenamp · Aug 17, 2006, 11:15 AM

How quickly this has trumped the MidEast turmoil for media coverage. Gotta love America's facination with pedophilia.

goMac · Aug 17, 2006, 11:17 AM

Somewhere I have this feeling he didn't do it. It just doesn't fit.

"Karr's ex-wife, Lara Karr, told KGO-TV in California that she does not believe her former husband killed JonBenet because he was with her in Alabama at the time, The Associated Press reported."

"John Mark Karr displayed a deep fascination with JonBenet Ramsey for years before he was arrested in her death on Thursday in Thailand. ... His father told The Denver Post that while Karr was in college as an adult, a professor encouraged him to write a book about the Ramsey case after being impressed with a school paper. "He researched everything he could about her," Wexford Karr said."

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/17/ra....ap/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/17/ra...est/index.html

And his admission doesn't look all that honest to me. Video is on cnn.com.

If he is the guy, great. But if he's pretending, that's even worse for the family. To me it sounds like a nutcase media whore trying to get himself associated with the case.

Landos Mustache · Aug 17, 2006, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by greenamp

How quickly this has trumped the MidEast turmoil for media coverage. Gotta love America's facination with pedophilia.

Ya when this is done we need another Michael Jackson trial to distract from the warS.

Zeeb · Aug 17, 2006, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by greenamp

How quickly this has trumped the MidEast turmoil for media coverage. Gotta love America's facination with pedophilia.

The mideast war has and is already being discussed endlessly both here and in the general media. There's only so much mideast war news people can take.

Eriamjh · Aug 17, 2006, 12:21 PM

Doesn't anyone find this quote suspicious?

Karr's ex-wife, Lara Karr, told KGO-TV in California that she does not believe her former husband killed JonBenet because he was with her in Alabama at the time.

I heard somewhere that during his confession he noted things that were not made public. Can't find it online...

Landos Mustache · Aug 17, 2006, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by Eriamjh

I heard somewhere that during his confession he noted things that were not made public. Can't find it online...

They said that is just about every story about this arrest.

Goldfinger · Aug 17, 2006, 12:40 PM

What kind of a name is JonBenet anyway ?