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It was a weave
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As an aside, my ex had a weave, and it was like dating a ****ing radiation victim.
     
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https://heatst.com/culture-wars/soci...ation-illegal/

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Due to the fact that the United Nations doesn’t have anything more important to deal with, delegates from 189 countries, including the United States and Canada, are lobbying in Geneva for the organization to institute laws to make cultural appropriation illegal – and for those laws to be implemented quickly.

The delegates are a part of a specialized international committee in the World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) which was founded in 2001 to expand intellectual property regulations to protect indigenous art, forms of expression like dance, and even words.

According to CBC, James Anaya, dean of law at the University of Colorado, said that the United Nations document should “obligate states to create effective criminal and civil enforcement procedures to recognize and prevent non-consensual taking and illegitimate possession, sale and export of traditional cultural expressions.”

Not only could the state put you in jail for cultural appropriation, those who feel as though their culture is appropriated would be able to sue you for damages. In other words, you could go to jail for making and selling burritos if you’re not Mexican, or wearing a kimono while white.
Want to wear a sombrero? If you're white, black, or Asian, too bad. Open a fish and chips stand? Nope (unless you're British). Wear a sarong? Nope. Wear a toga? Nu-uh. All of these things would be "cultural appropriation", and unless you specifically come from that culture you're breaking the law. I guess a lot of blacks in the USA could be in deep shit, since they're not actually from an African country but enjoy wearing their clothes and eating their food.
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Jun 15, 2017, 06:37 AM
 
Just like there is actual racism and "SJW brand" racism, there's actual cultural appropriation and "wearing a sombrero" cultural appropriation.

My guess is the UN is aiming at the latter.

Don't get me wrong. The UN pisses me off, and this type of well intentioned idea often goes sour, but the author's claim making a burrito could mean jail time probably isn't helping the situation.
     
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Jun 15, 2017, 09:01 AM
 
There is no such thing as "cultural appropriation", it's a made-up problem. Seriously, how far down the victim rabbit hole did they need to go before someone saw this as a problem?

If anyone's culture is getting "appropriated" it's the USA's; wearing our fashions, copying our music, and mimicking our lifestyles. Do we care? Hell no. Under this, however, I guess we can make other cultures pay-up if they want to wear ball caps and eat Memphis BBQ?
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Jun 15, 2017, 09:04 AM
 
Its just another radical concept to split us apart. I feel sorry for those so indoctrinated. As far as the UN is concerned, Don't hand over another dime until they get their books in order. After 3 year of NOT balancing the books, kick their butts out and the US leave that corrupt org.
     
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Jun 15, 2017, 11:13 AM
 
Cultural appropriation seems one of those things where it's impossible to draw the line. Absolute "never" means yes, never wearing a sombrero. Do people with 25% mexican heritage get to but not 10%? Does it matter if you can "pass"? I don't see how you enforce this fairly.

It would be certainly fine to open a fish and chips stand, wear a kilt, toga, or french ball gown. White culture cannot be appropriated, AFAICT.

Inappropriate cultural costumes (rowdy mexican bandito stereotype vs nice mexican person) are confusing. I certainly see the wrong of the former, but no issue with the latter, if you are being respectful and appreciative of the culture. I've seen white people criticized for doing Day of the Dead sugar masks which were lovely. A museum criticized for letting visitors try on kimono, as part of a discussion of a historic painting of a frenchwoman in kimono during the age when Japan opened its "doors". Some asians were for it, to gain appreciation for their culture, some were offended.

What costumes are still alllowed on Halloween? Popular strong female heroines from kids movies... let's see...

Merida from Brave? Elsa from Frozen? Absolutely.

Moana? Mulan? Nope.

This is where I probably would be accused of being a clueless white woman who needs to check her privilege. I try not to be disrespectful, I really do!

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Jun 15, 2017, 11:58 AM
 
Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
There is no such thing as "cultural appropriation"...
It depends on how it's defined.

Ultimately, defining it is the job of the committee, who in textbook UN fashion has been at it for 17 years and accomplished two things. Jack and shit.

How they're defining it is in terms of IP law, so if a culture's IP is violated, that's cultural appropriation.

That's not a bad definition, but leaves the discussion to center around the details of cultural IP law.

One of the central issues seems to be people fleecing tourists by selling "authentic" indigenous tchotchke.

Not that I'd trust the UN to deal with that, but from a moral standpoint it's fraud, and I don't think the label "cultural appropriation" is inaccurate.
     
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Jun 15, 2017, 12:06 PM
 
wouldn't that just be fraud, which is covered by existing law?

If a tourist goes to the market in Guatehindustan and is sold a "genuine hand-made basket" that was really made in china, that's fraud. Who is culturally appropriating in this instance? the tourist, or the seller, a native Guatehindustani? The manufacturer he bought it from? Alibaba? Amazon?

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Jun 15, 2017, 12:24 PM
 
DCPD issuing 16 arrest warrants for the attacks on Turkish protestors.
     
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Originally Posted by andi*pandi View Post
wouldn't that just be fraud, which is covered by existing law?

If a tourist goes to the market in Guatehindustan and is sold a "genuine hand-made basket" that was really made in china, that's fraud. Who is culturally appropriating in this instance? the tourist, or the seller, a native Guatehindustani? The manufacturer he bought it from? Alibaba? Amazon?

argh.
The archetypal example here is "I made this tchotchke [true], and I am indigenous Guatehindustani [false]".

No one disagrees that's fraud, but then the law has to get into what makes someone officially indigenous Guatehindustani, which it doesn't do unless a special interest group pushes the issue.
     
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Jun 15, 2017, 01:44 PM
 
Here's the kinda question which gets to the heart of the discussion.

Navajo Hipster Panties.

This idea, courtesy of Urban Outfitters, got them sued by the Navajo, who hold the trademark on "Navajo".

This brings up all kinds of questions. Are Navajo Hipster Panties okay? Are they a trademark infringement? Should indigenous people be able to trademark themselves? How exactly does that work? Why not "underpants" instead? I mean, I really hate the word "panties".
     
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Jun 15, 2017, 03:15 PM
 
and back to that dreadlocks thing where the white student got lambasted for culturally appropriating dreads.

Honestly i feel that there are laws to cover all of this already. Culture should be spread. And mixed. Not segregated. All the best things in the world come from the free expression and sharing of culture. Even funny sombreros.

If the appropriation is mocking then the laws against race or hate crime should cover it. If it's passing of as in the Hipster pants then existing IP should cover it?

Thankfully it looks like at least another 17 years before the UN gets any further.
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Jun 15, 2017, 04:15 PM
 
We're not the problem. The UN wants panty parity for the rest of the world.

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Jun 15, 2017, 04:19 PM
 
How does the UK measure up?

Is there an existing legal framework wherein I could get sued for my deli serving the "Irish traveler knuckle sandwich"?

If not, the UN would like to have a word, and America considers you barbarians.

It's current year you know.
     
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Jun 15, 2017, 04:42 PM
 
This begs the question: is that a real poncho...I mean Is that a Mexican poncho or is that a Sears poncho?

Hmmm...no foolin ...
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Jun 15, 2017, 10:25 PM
 
Originally Posted by andi*pandi View Post
White culture cannot be appropriated, AFAICT.
That's where it falls apart. Either it all can or none of it can. A group isn't special just because certain white people think they're exotic. In fact, that's a form of prejudice in and of itself.

"They have such a rich, vibrant culture."
We all do, sweety, you're simply tired of yours. But guess what? They're tired of theirs too and think yours is quite "vibrant" too.
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Jun 16, 2017, 10:31 AM
 
Originally Posted by subego View Post
How does the UK measure up?

Is there an existing legal framework wherein I could get sued for my deli serving the "Irish traveler knuckle sandwich"?

If not, the UN would like to have a word, and America considers you barbarians.

It's current year you know.
There are 'regionally protected foods' as part of the EEC, with likely the most famous being you can't call something champagne if it's not from the champagne region of France. There is also Parma Ham, Cornish Pasties, and many others. The most ridiculous I'm aware of is that legally, Stilton Cheese cannot be produced in Stilton- it must come from the counties of Leicestershire, Derbyshire, and Nottinghamshire (Stilton is in Cambridgeshire). Conceptually, the cheese was not historically produced in Stilton, it just took it's name from there as it was commonly sold in markets there.

Archeological/historical records have come to light that provide some evidence that the cheese may have been produced in the Stilton area. It's all a bit silly.

But these are European regulations. Not sure what happens after Brexit. I imagine it would be in the UKs best interest to keep them.
     
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Originally Posted by Paco500 View Post
Stilton Cheese cannot be produced in Stilton- it must come from the counties of Leicestershire, Derbyshire, and Nottinghamshire (Stilton is in Cambridgeshire). Conceptually, the cheese was not historically produced in Stilton, it just took it's name from there as it was commonly sold in markets there.

Archeological/historical records have come to light that provide some evidence that the cheese may have been produced in the Stilton area. It's all a bit silly.
This is clear-cut cultural appropriation.

It's not that Stilton gets made in other places, it's how the system is stacked against the indigenous Stiltonites.
     
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Jun 16, 2017, 11:56 AM
 
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...ngressmen.html

You have to wonder if he's not that good at his job. I hope he gets a visit from the Secret Service.
     
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...ngressmen.html

You have to wonder if he's not that good at his job. I hope he gets a visit from the Secret Service.
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Yeah, #HuntRepublicans is trending right now on Twitter, and it's not all Republicans outraged about it, there are tons on the Left using it unironically and with malice. This is beyond ****ed up and makes me both angry and sick, because this type of behavior will only lead to more bloodshed.
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"Jeremy Corbyn: Empty homes owned by rich should be 'requisitioned' for Grenfell Tower residents"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...oned-grenfell/

Jeremy Corbyn has called for the empty homes of rich people in Kensington to be seized for Grenfell Tower residents who have been made homeless by the fire.

The Labour leader said that the London Borough was a "tale of two cities" between a wealthy south and a rich north.

He suggested that "requisitioning" expensive vacant properties could help ensure that residents are housed locally.
How do you feel about this? Personally, I see it as a certain way to cause capital flight. Real estate is a substantial part of London's economy, and if you send the message that investment property isn't safe from gov't seizure, those investors will take their money elsewhere and the wealthy will cut their losses and move to other countries that won't steal their assets.

Why don't they just speak to champagne socialists like Lily Allen? I'm sure they'd be glad to put these underprivileged people up in their time of need. Right? More realistically, there are 1000s of available hotel/motel rooms in the immediate area available, the British gov't would probably get quite a discount.
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I am ready for any civil war with Liberal scum. I have a Springfield Armory SD45 with the 4.25 barrel which is really good out to about 90 feet, and a Remington 597 (modified) 22 rimfire which is good to about 180 yards. A deer park bottle is a good silencer. I have enough to be an armory. I am somewhere between Anton Chigurh and Walter White, so you better think this shit through. I REALLY hope the left calms down but I doubt it. They are throwing a massive tantrum since Hillary LOST, and they continue to show themselves to be stupid, and violent. But what can you expect of the Liberal indoctrinated. Just think... They were mostly Hillary supporters, so they are poor judges of other character and morals.
     
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Originally Posted by BadKosh View Post
I am ready for any civil war with Liberal scum. I have a Springfield Armory SD45 with the 4.25 barrel which is really good out to about 90 feet, and a Remington 597 (modified) 22 rimfire which is good to about 180 yards. A deer park bottle is a good silencer. I have enough to be an armory. I am somewhere between Anton Chigurh and Walter White, so you better think this shit through.
Don't hyperventilate. No one cares about coming for you.
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They don't need to "come for you", they'll just attack you while you're driving down the highway.

http://fox59.com/2017/06/15/several-...flag-on-i-465/

Seems that an open war of ideologies has begun, it makes me heartbroken and disgusted that it's come to this.
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Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
"Jeremy Corbyn: Empty homes owned by rich should be 'requisitioned' for Grenfell Tower residents"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...oned-grenfell/



How do you feel about this? Personally, I see it as a certain way to cause capital flight. Real estate is a substantial part of London's economy, and if you send the message that investment property isn't safe from gov't seizure, those investors will take their money elsewhere and the wealthy will cut their losses and move to other countries that won't steal their assets.

Why don't they just speak to champagne socialists like Lily Allen? I'm sure they'd be glad to put these underprivileged people up in their time of need. Right? More realistically, there are 1000s of available hotel/motel rooms in the immediate area available, the British gov't would probably get quite a discount.
Are they talking about seizing luxury property? I don't think so. Not that that has stopped the right wing media from claiming so. As far as I can tell the idea is to requisition empty housing as temporary shelter. No one is talking about asset seizing.

On the other hand the issue of housing needs to be addressed. Simply building empty luxury high rise after luxury high rise which remain empty while ordinary Londoners can't afford housing is NOT good for the economy. Or the people. And by ordinary Londoners I mean hard working professionals like Teachers, Nurses, support workers etc.

If Londoners have to choose between protecting the interests of foreign property investors and providing housing in London for Londoners then guess which way things should go?
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They don't need to "come for you", they'll just attack you while you're driving down the highway.

http://fox59.com/2017/06/15/several-...flag-on-i-465/

Seems that an open war of ideologies has begun, it makes me heartbroken and disgusted that it's come to this.
I assume that the world is full of unstable idiots of ALL political stripes?

Putting aside such violence (from any direction), I wonder, do you feel that there needs to be some realignment of the system. Since 2007/8 the majority of people have simply seen the top echelons of society growing richer and richer. Companies have more money and make more profits than at any time in the last 100 years. Wages are stagnant, housing is an unrealistic dream and CEO's help them selves to 70% pay rises while public sector workers see their pay going backwards

I'm just interested if you see this as a successful society. A course that should be pursued further? Or one that needs to be tilted even further to the needs of corporations and the wealthy.

If you remove hope from peoples lives what do you replace it with?
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Originally Posted by BadKosh View Post
I am ready for any civil war with Liberal scum. I have a Springfield Armory SD45 with the 4.25 barrel which is really good out to about 90 feet, and a Remington 597 (modified) 22 rimfire which is good to about 180 yards. A deer park bottle is a good silencer. I have enough to be an armory. I am somewhere between Anton Chigurh and Walter White, so you better think this shit through. I REALLY hope the left calms down but I doubt it. They are throwing a massive tantrum since Hillary LOST, and they continue to show themselves to be stupid, and violent. But what can you expect of the Liberal indoctrinated. Just think... They were mostly Hillary supporters, so they are poor judges of other character and morals.
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Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
"Jeremy Corbyn: Empty homes owned by rich should be 'requisitioned' for Grenfell Tower residents"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...oned-grenfell/



How do you feel about this? Personally, I see it as a certain way to cause capital flight. Real estate is a substantial part of London's economy, and if you send the message that investment property isn't safe from gov't seizure, those investors will take their money elsewhere and the wealthy will cut their losses and move to other countries that won't steal their assets.

Why don't they just speak to champagne socialists like Lily Allen? I'm sure they'd be glad to put these underprivileged people up in their time of need. Right? More realistically, there are 1000s of available hotel/motel rooms in the immediate area available, the British gov't would probably get quite a discount.
When he says "requisitioned", that doesn't necessarily mean "seized". It could mean that the government rents them for the time of the current emergency to house the displaced. Mostly I think he's just being an opposition politician scoring points. There are so many issues of greed and mismanagement that led to the fire, and Corbyn just wants in on the delicious news cycle.

As for your question: seizing properties without compensation? Heck no, never. Requisitioning them temporarily to solve a crisis, with compensation paid? Not out of the question in general - say in case of a major disaster or something - but this is not large enough to qualify.
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You sound super-calm and non-violent.
Not to mention smart. Maybe he Hasn't noticed the treasonous con-man in the white house.
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How are they going to requisition homes belonging to millionaires? They won't hand the keys over and what about all their belongings inside? They'd get robbed blind. And then they'd claim for twice what was stolen which the government would have to pay for. Much cheaper for the taxpayer to go down the hotel route.
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Are they talking about seizing luxury property? I don't think so. Not that that has stopped the right wing media from claiming so. As far as I can tell the idea is to requisition empty housing as temporary shelter. No one is talking about asset seizing.

On the other hand the issue of housing needs to be addressed. Simply building empty luxury high rise after luxury high rise which remain empty while ordinary Londoners can't afford housing is NOT good for the economy. Or the people. And by ordinary Londoners I mean hard working professionals like Teachers, Nurses, support workers etc.

If Londoners have to choose between protecting the interests of foreign property investors and providing housing in London for Londoners then guess which way things should go?
Given Corben wasn't specific about whether this would be temporary or not, who can tell? He didn't say anything about compensating the people who own those properties either. I don't give a damn if the people put out are "hard working" or not, they don't have a right to anyone else's property, and the gov't doesn't have a right to use it without the owners' consent, even temporarily. As I said, there are plenty of local hotels and motels to house these people. Corbin is simply trying to create more animosity between the social classes, again, because that furthers his agenda. He's a predator.

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I assume that the world is full of unstable idiots of ALL political stripes?

Putting aside such violence (from any direction), I wonder, do you feel that there needs to be some realignment of the system. Since 2007/8 the majority of people have simply seen the top echelons of society growing richer and richer. Companies have more money and make more profits than at any time in the last 100 years. Wages are stagnant, housing is an unrealistic dream and CEO's help them selves to 70% pay rises while public sector workers see their pay going backwards

I'm just interested if you see this as a successful society. A course that should be pursued further? Or one that needs to be tilted even further to the needs of corporations and the wealthy.

If you remove hope from peoples lives what do you replace it with?
Everyone has become richer, not just the wealthy. There is more prosperity in the West, overall, than there has ever been before. That some people want more is irrelevant, there are ways to get it but they either don't want to work harder or they haven't learned how to work smarter.

Of course our society is successful, we just have some people who feel they're entitled to wealth because they know how to breathe, and that'll never happen. If these people have no hope, given the amount of opportunity available, that's their fault. I've seen far too many people who became financially successful through determination to believe it's luck or a fluke.

All of that has little to do with the subject at hand, though. The hatred fueling the latest attacks from the Left is caused by certain groups manipulating ignorant and mentally unstable people for their own political gains. It's incitement, pure and simple, and it will catch up with them.
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When he says "requisitioned", that doesn't necessarily mean "seized". It could mean that the government rents them for the time of the current emergency to house the displaced. Mostly I think he's just being an opposition politician scoring points. There are so many issues of greed and mismanagement that led to the fire, and Corbyn just wants in on the delicious news cycle.

As for your question: seizing properties without compensation? Heck no, never. Requisitioning them temporarily to solve a crisis, with compensation paid? Not out of the question in general - say in case of a major disaster or something - but this is not large enough to qualify.
Corbin didn't say anything about this being temporary and "requisitioning" can go either way. I was requisitioned clothing when I joined the military and they never asked for it back when I left. And as for the greed and mismanagement, perhaps the mayor needs to look into this personally, since the people who owned the place were his donors. I do agree with your point about Corbin merely being opportunistic here, it's obvious he didn't think this through and just wants to play on the friction that already exists between the classes and make it worse, that's his usual MO.
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I am ready for any civil war with Liberal scum. I have a Springfield Armory SD45 with the 4.25 barrel which is really good out to about 90 feet, and a Remington 597 (modified) 22 rimfire which is good to about 180 yards. A deer park bottle is a good silencer. I have enough to be an armory. I am somewhere between Anton Chigurh and Walter White, so you better think this shit through. I REALLY hope the left calms down but I doubt it. They are throwing a massive tantrum since Hillary LOST, and they continue to show themselves to be stupid, and violent. But what can you expect of the Liberal indoctrinated. Just think... They were mostly Hillary supporters, so they are poor judges of other character and morals.
Don't you live near D.C.?

You're outnumbered fifty to one by liberal scum.

Just like Stalingrad, most of the liberal scum will be unarmed at first. Exploit this weakness with really mean German Shepherds.
     
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An EMP device that would fry the little snowflakes iPads n such will do more perceived damage.
     
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How are we supposed to spread disinformation, then?

This whole civil war thing is turning out more complicated than it looks.
     
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Shit... we're running out of kibble, too. Are there any dead liberal scum left in the pile out back?
     
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Shit... we're running out of kibble, too. Are there any dead liberal scum left in the pile out back?
You'd feed your pets on dead liberal scum?
Don't you know we are all rotten to the core, you may as well straight up poison them!
You monster!
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How are we supposed to spread disinformation, then?

This whole civil war thing is turning out more complicated than it looks.
Well we all stand in a line and the first person whispers the news into the ear of the person next to them, then they pass it on down the line. News comes out the other end.

So pretty much just like now really.
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Don't you know we are all rotten to the core, you may as well straight up poison them!
You monster!
I would much prefer dead liberal scum ended up in a landfill instead of being recycled, but we're hard men making hard choices.
     
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A liberal scum and an alt-right conspiracy theorist walked into a bar.



or did they?????
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I hate that the Left has co-opted the name liberal when so many of them are anything but. There's nothing liberal about no-platforming certain types of speech, just because you disagree with it.
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I hate that the Left has co-opted the name liberal when so many of them are anything but. There's nothing liberal about no-platforming certain types of speech, just because you disagree with it.
Absolutely. The sight of students screaming down people they don't agree with and banning what is often quite (traditionally) liberal speakers demanding protection from ideas is as far from liberal as any far right. That's why the whole liberal scum liberal snowflake thing is so divisive as well.

On an aside: INteresting film on Netflix (UK anyway), The Red Pill. A documentary about mens rights shot by a feminist. Now I have no information on how feminist the director was, and the film has many flaws, it's intellectually lazy in its construction and overly accommodating of many red herrings the mens movement throws around, however the feminists don't generaly come over well either. All in all it's an interesting essay on mutual intolerance.
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Cassie Jaye, the film's maker, wasn't a strident feminist, more like the typical "liberal arts grad" variety. She believed all the basic feminist rhetoric, like the Wage Gap and "rape culture" statistics, but wasn't part of the intersectionality cult. I did back her campaign and have spoken with her, bringing up some concerns I had with the film, but the thing is, The Red Pill was about her journey through the "manosphere", not a thesis trying to dismantle the Men's Rights Movement (or even a balanced evaluation of it). So while there are issues, life has issues and isn't especially clean intellectually, either.
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What??? ILL. going bankrupt? How did this get to be that bad?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...w-phase-crisis
     
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What??? ILL. going bankrupt? How did this get to be that bad?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...w-phase-crisis
"In another preview of what's coming once Illinois is junked, the school district agreed this week to pay a rate of 6.39% for a short-term $275 million loan from JPMorgan Chase & Co. to help make a pension payment and cover the cost of staying open through the end of the school year. As we reported last week, the schools didn’t receive $215 million more in state aid to make the retirement-fund contribution after a measure was vetoed by Governor Bruce Rauner. Illinois has failed to pass a budget for more than two years as the Republican governor and Democrat-led legislature battle over how to close the state’s chronic budget deficits."

Vulture capitalism.

The whole state sounds a mess. Obvioulsy over here it's not news, but wasn't New York in similar trouble in the late 70s?
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