[kman42]

Originally Posted by ::maroma:: 

So, something a little off topic, sorta...

I noticed that all of the "hero" shots on Apple's site of the iPhone show the time and date when the iPhone was introduced, Tuesday January 9th 9:41. According to MacNN's live coverage of it, it seems Jobs pretty much timed it perfectly, maybe a few minutes off. Sort of akin to iCal's static icon.

Another small Apple-esque detail.

Does the date of iCal's icon represent when it was introduced?

[kman42]

I think by putting Widgets on the phone Apple is saying, "Yeah, we know we can't think of everything".

The beauty of the Widget on a cell/internet device is that it does one thing and does it well--quick information at your fingertips. I don't want to go to Safari and fandango on a cell phone. I just want to see the movies that are playing at the ten closest theaters to my house. Set a Widget and it's always there. No extraneous information.

[::maroma::]

Originally Posted by kman42 

Does the date of iCal's icon represent when it was introduced?

Yep, July 17 2002.

Apple Introduces iCal

[kman42]

How about streaming movie trailers. That seems like an omission given Apple's movie trailer fascination and the widescreen phone. And looking up movies has to be the second biggest thing people do on their phones.

[::maroma::]

I don't know if anyone's posted this yet, but I remember people wondering if Intel was providing the chip inside the iPhone. Here's the answer (from MacNN front page):

Despite previous (incorrect) Reuters reports, Intel will not supply the main chip inside Apple's iPhone, but said it is supplying chips for the Apple TV set-top box. "We are not providing the silicon inside the iPhone," Intel spokesman Bill Kirkus told Reuters. "We are providing the silicon inside the Apple TV." Germany's Balda will supply touch-screens.

[Dark Helmet]

The funny thing is most of these complaints are just software based and can be added or changed easily.

6 months after the iPhone hits the streets it will be a totally different device because of software upgrades or 3rd party add ons or hacks.

Exchange support will be added in no time.

[::maroma::]

Originally Posted by kman42 

How about streaming movie trailers. That seems like an omission given Apple's movie trailer fascination and the widescreen phone. And looking up movies has to be the second biggest thing people do on their phones.

I wonder if you can watch trailers off of Fandango, since we know that it will work with the iPhone for at least looking up movie times.

[No Time 4 Love Dr. Jones]

And Cisco is now suing. Lol

[icruise]

Are you being serious?

[No Time 4 Love Dr. Jones]

Originally Posted by icruise 

Are you being serious?

BREITBART.COM - Cisco Sues Apple Over Use of IPhone Name

[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by No Time 4 Love Dr. Jones 

BREITBART.COM - Cisco Sues Apple Over Use of IPhone Name

They are just holding out for more cash.

[No Time 4 Love Dr. Jones]

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet 

They are just holding out for more cash.

Well, sure. But still noteworthy.

[Dark Helmet]

� What may sink the iPhone | The Apple Core | ZDNet.com

OOh, get this... the iPhone won't work in Japan because it is GSM. It is doomed!

I didn't even know they had Cingular in the Asia and apple wouldn't dream of releasing a phone for that market with the proper frequencies.

O'Grady is one of those guys you are embarrassed to have as a Mac user.

[icruise]

Cingular said my RAZR would work in Japan, but it never did when I was there (admittedly I was in the countryside most of the time). I'm not sure international roaming is a big deal, but it would be a big deal if they were unable to sell the iPhone in Japan. I assume they can adapt it to whatever cellular network necessary when they do launch it there, though.

[CollinG3G4]

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet 

They are just holding out for more cash.

Well, how difficult is it to come up with a product name the does not start with the dated "i" prefix?

[::maroma::]

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet 

� What may sink the iPhone | The Apple Core | ZDNet.com

OOh, get this... the iPhone won't work in Japan because it is GSM. It is doomed!

I didn't even know they had Cingular in the US or apple wouldn't dream of releasing a phone for that market with the proper frequencies.

O'Grady is one of those guys you are embarrassed to have as a Mac user.

Somehow I don't think Apple completely forgot that Japan exists. They are the leaders in cell phones after all.

But this dude's first sentence pretty much reveals why he's so eager to doom the iPhone:

"I may be eating a lot of crow about my prediction that the iPhone was a red herring (it was announced after all) but that doesn't mean that I have to like it."

Yeah buddy, you were wrong. Just deal with it. Don't try to make the iPhone a failure just to make your bad prediction sound a little better.

[icruise]

He's got it out for Apple just 'cause they sued him and all.

[Troll]

Originally Posted by Kerrigan 

I dont think you get it: it is catering to a very wide audience. The average person wants a stylish, functional phone. They don't carry around extra batteries, want to listen to the radio on their phone, or download TV shows on the go. Step outside of the geek world for a moment and you'll see...

Nokia and Sony Ericsson and Samsung are selling bucketloads of 3G phones in Europe. So that would suggest you're wrong (at least about Europe). In the US, 3G hasn't caught on yet so maybe it will work better there but over here and in Asia and in Africa, you'd be asking someone to take a phone with fewer features and to pay more for it than a 3G phone. That's a big ask. I'm not saying some people won't put down the cash but I think that until there are changes made to the price and the features this thing isn't going to take off.

That said, that's similar to the iPod isn't it? 1G didn't take off. It was only when they added PC support and made it cheaper that it took off.

[Eug Wanker]

Originally Posted by No Time 4 Love Dr. Jones 

BREITBART.COM - Cisco Sues Apple Over Use of IPhone Name

Yeah, it just showed up on AP. Hilarious.

Apple can really be obnoxious sometimes about this type of stuff, although I wonder how much money Apple was offering and Cisco wanted?

Originally Posted by Troll 

Nokia and Sony Ericsson and Samsung are selling bucketloads of 3G phones in Europe. So that would suggest you're wrong (at least about Europe). In the US, 3G hasn't caught on yet so maybe it will work better there but over here and in Asia and in Africa, you'd be asking someone to take a phone with fewer features and to pay more for it than a 3G phone. That's a big ask. I'm not saying some people won't put down the cash but I think that until there are changes made to the price and the features this thing isn't going to take off.

That said, that's similar to the iPod isn't it? 1G didn't take off. It was only when they added PC support and made it cheaper that it took off.

I think it's very likely that a European iPhone in 2008 will be 3G.

[PurpleGiant]

With 3G phone would come a second camera on the front then, I'd assume. For the video calls.

[icruise]

Interesting size comparison here:

The Apple iPhone (kottke.org)

The iPhone is really only a little big bigger than a 5G iPod.

[::maroma::]

Originally Posted by icruise 

Interesting size comparison here:

The Apple iPhone (kottke.org)

The iPhone is really only a little big bigger than a 5G iPod.

Yeah, and because I'm a huge dork, I printed out the face of the iPhone at full size based on Apple's specs. Its a great size, in my opinion. Not too big, not too small. And from what I hear it feels amazing in your hand.

[Eug]

Originally Posted by icruise 

Interesting size comparison here:

The Apple iPhone (kottke.org)

The iPhone is really only a little big bigger than a 5G iPod.

Yeah, although I find the 5G iPod a bit big, and prefer my phones a bit smaller. On the other hand, it's fairly thin, and has that wicked 480x320 scrreen.

[icruise]

It's also the exact weight of the current 30GB iPod. Interesting.

[mduell]

Apple has been trying to license the iPhone name from Cisco since late 2001, including 3 times in the last year. I believe Cisco rejected their latest offer the night before the keynote, not after.

edit: despite the other story I saw today about Cisco rejecting the offer Monday night, here's a quote from Cisco VP Charles Giancarlo at CES yesterday:
"Given Apple's numerous requests for permission to use Cisco's iPhone trademark over the past several years and our extensive discussions with them recently, it is our belief that with their announcement today, Apple intends to agree to the final document and public statement that were distributed to them last night and that addressed a few remaining items. We expect to receive a signed agreement today."

[Mrjinglesusa]

Originally Posted by philm 

I mentioned that the SIM card on a Treo is in a slot on the top...



Err, excuse me.....

lol. You're absolutely right. I'm sorry, I even HAVE a Treo 650 and I forgot the SIM card goes in that slot.

Again, my apologies.

:walks out with tail between his legs:

[eobet]

I don't know if someone has mentioned this or not, but I am praying that I missed the info:

The iPhone can view PDF files, right?

[mduell]

Originally Posted by Eug 

On the other hand, it's fairly thin, and has that wicked 480x320 scrreen.

Half VGA seems more like a letdown than anything. Full VGA 3.5" screens have been available for years, and they would match the native resolution of the video content from iTMS.

Originally Posted by eobet 

The iPhone can view PDF files, right?

No support for viewing or editing PDF or Office files has been mentioned.

[Dark Helmet]

Ok I totally admit it but I had to print out a too scale picture of the iPhone to get a feel for the size in MY hand.

I thought it was going to be too big but it is PERFECT!

Even just holding this printout it makes you feel cool like you are on star Trek.

yes I said cool.

[Bax23]

Exchange email is one thing. Support for that is almost assured. The thing that is more important to me is getting my Outlook appointments into the iPhone. That single feature for me would turn it into an absolute must-have and make my life much easier at work. I honestly can't say if not having appointment support from the corporate Excahnge server is a deal breaker right now, but it would definitely make the decision if it did. I am glad that I won't have to make that decision for five months. Maybe something good will happen.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by mduell 

No support for viewing or editing PDF or Office files has been mentioned.

Steve said it was based on Quartz, which supports PDF natively, so it ought to.

[::maroma::]

Originally Posted by Chuckit 

Steve said it was based on Quartz, which supports PDF natively, so it ought to.

Yeah I don't see why there wouldn't be a small PDF viewing app. And even editing is possible, but a viewer would be cake for Apple to implement.

[- - e r i k - -]

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker 

Somebody actually bought a Zune?

Not without a trace of irony though:

[kman42]

So Cisco just screwed themselves out of a nice trademark royalty because they were greedy and wanted some sort of network interoperability with Apple's phone? I see Apple just changing the name to the iPod Phone and not giving them a dime.

kman

[mduell]

Originally Posted by kman42 

So Cisco just screwed themselves out of a nice trademark royalty because they were greedy and wanted some sort of network interoperability with Apple's phone? I see Apple just changing the name to the iPod Phone and not giving them a dime.

What???
Cisco just acted to protect their trademark, since Apple has yet to sign the licensing paperwork. Cisco has to defend their trademark, or else they risk losing it. I don't think Cisco is looking to extort more money for the name, Apple just didn't sign the paperwork in time.

[- - e r i k - -]

The iPhone is a stupid name anyway. Way limiting. This is why Apple originally chose the name iPod - and not iMusic or similar, in the first place. Call it iPod Phone - like the iPod Photo when color was introduced - and merge it back into the real iPod line when storage is large enough.

[MindFad]

Cisco has to do this to protect their trademark—else they can lose it, as people have mentioned. I wonder what kind of money is being thrown around, though.

[Tesseract]

Originally Posted by ajprice 

an iPhone shuffle

I'd rather choose who I want to call, not have my iPhone do it for me, thanks.

[Dark Helmet]

Originally Posted by - - e r i k - - 

The iPhone is a stupid name anyway. Way limiting. This is why Apple originally chose the name iPod - and not iMusic or similar, in the first place.\

It isn't actually.

[- - e r i k - -]

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet 

It isn't actually.

Isn't what?

[kman42]

I think he means it's not a stupid name.

[kman42]

An article over at msnbc suggests no 3rd party apps. Although it sounds like they haven't completely made up their minds.

[- - e r i k - -]

Originally Posted by kman42 

I think he means it's not a stupid name.

Well it is. Quite stupid.

1. It's owned by Cisco since 1996 (predating the iMac and the iMoniker-craze).
2. It's not just a phone. It's a phone/music player/pda-convergence device.
3. iPod is loaded with brand recognition.
4. We don't need another iName. It's passé and the i has lost it's meaning.

[Gossamer]

I'm not sure if someone's brought this up yet, but if the iPhone is not yet FCC certified or whatever, how exactly was Steve using one? Is that a violation of the FCC's rules, or were they faking it?

[freudling]

Possible names:

iTalk
iFon
iAssistant
iPod Phone
iSpeak
iHandheld

[- - e r i k - -]

Out of these, only one is non-offensive.

[kmkkid]

iCell
iCall
iWi

[ironknee]

considering how the name iphone has so much buzz on it, i'd say apple pays 100 million for the name

[cjrivera]

Originally Posted by kmkkid 

iWi

[kmkkid]

Originally Posted by cjrivera 

Originally Posted by kmkkid 

iCell
iCall
iWi

I hereby Trademark and Copyright the Term iWi™©


Bwahaha, take that future lawsuit against Apple!!!