[Ken Masters]

Originally posted by theolein:
Perhaps, if enough unhappy one buttoners were to click here...

DId that ages ago,....

[djjava]

no USB ports??? that kinda sucks... even tho i would bet that bluetooth bandwidth would suffer trying to push a USB device through it, but to tack on a usb mouse would have been nice...

or am i talking out of my here?

[Zoom]

Originally posted by theolein:
Perhaps, if enough unhappy one buttoners were to click here...

Excellent idea. I just submitted my request.

[videian28]

just submitted mine as well, man I hope they listen

hope they add a second button to thier laptops as well

[RooneyX]

Enough already! We need touchscreens that can recognise which finger you tapped the screen with! Who needs two buttons when you've got five fingers!

Finger 1 - selecting, double tapping
Finger 2 - Modifier
Finger 3 - Copy
Finger 4 - Paste
Finger 5 - Hyperjump to porn sites!

All user customisable!

[zachs]

Even better, the FootMouse.

[kokosnootje]

just posted my feedback: (sorry if my English is not error-free)

Dear Apple,

As you know the marketshare of Apple pc's in The Netherlands is dramatic. As a treu Mac fan that works in a IT departement of a 100% Microsoft company I always try to show people how many less problem we would have if we were to use Macs.
With OS X you have made that more realistic.
After I show the misinformed that Mac OS is matured and lost the problems that they still talk of they sometimes go and have a look for themselves at you site.
After they see that even your newest BlueTooth mouse still has one button they laugh in my face. Apple still hasn't learned what people want.
You have to understand that things like a one button mouse make you and me look like retards.
A small detail like that will be the crack in the plaster that Microsoft minded people will use to put their fingernail in and peel the beautiful fresco off the wall so they can tell people that you don't have that sort of problem with a bare wall.

[hyteckit]

One button mouse begone!

I submitted feedback to Apple about it yesterday.

[DVD Plaza]

Originally posted by kokosnootje:
You have to understand that things like a one button mouse make you and me look like retards.

ROTFL - but sadly, dead right

[Ken Masters]

Originally posted by kokosnootje:
just posted my feedback: (sorry if my English is not error-free)

Dear Apple,

As you know the marketshare of Apple pc's in The Netherlands is dramatic. As a treu Mac fan that works in a IT departement of a 100% Microsoft company I always try to show people how many less problem we would have if we were to use Macs.
With OS X you have made that more realistic.
After I show the misinformed that Mac OS is matured and lost the problems that they still talk of they sometimes go and have a look for themselves at you site.
After they see that even your newest BlueTooth mouse still has one button they laugh in my face. Apple still hasn't learned what people want.
You have to understand that things like a one button mouse make you and me look like retards.
A small detail like that will be the crack in the plaster that Microsoft minded people will use to put their fingernail in and peel the beautiful fresco off the wall so they can tell people that you don't have that sort of problem with a bare wall.

that's an excellent request, I hope out of the hundreds+ post they read about he ONE-BUTTON mouse, yours is it!!!

I really hope they don't read mine, it didn't even make sence,
all it had was f***k this f***k that f***k U f***k the mouse f***k everyone f***k you again with the mouse f***k the Blue-tooth technology f***k the no USB option f***k the high price f***k people always laugthing at me for using this mouse f***k apple agian and agian, and again, and again. ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** *****

[hyteckit]

Haha...


I just wrote to apple saying that if people can figure out how to use an iPod, they could figure out how to use a 2-button mouse.

I wouldn't want to be mean to apple.

[Developer]

Originally posted by kokosnootje:
You have to understand that things like a one button mouse make you and me look like retards.

I am very productive with one mouse button, and that since 10 years. So why exactly am I a retard?
I don't need and want a second mouse button. *)

*)
And I know what I'm talking about. I have a two button mouse wheel mouse collecting dust.

[michaelb]

I don't have a problem with Apple shipping and designing its software around a one button mouse.

I use a Logitech MX300 (2/3 buttons + wheel) mouse on my desktop, which is smooth as silk to use.

However, on my iBook, I would absolutely hate two buttons below the trackpad. Whenever I've used a Wintel laptop, the thumbing action is just hopeless.

If Apple were to standardize on 2 buttons, then like Microsoft they would tend to make their OS depend on 2 buttons, and it would mean the iBooks & PowerBooks would ship with 2 buttons.

Designing software for a one button mouse is admirable, it makes for less hostile workflow. Windows programs go nuts with all their property popups which more logically should be given separate controls.

I don't get the anti-Apple design hatred here anyway - don't like it, don't buy it. Apple will learn from their sales receipts what's popular or not.

[nobitacu]

Originally posted by theolein:
Perhaps, if enough unhappy one buttoners were to click here...

That's just what I did, and here's what I wrote them,

"Ok, I've waited and waited and waited, finally words of BT mouse coming from Apple gives me a feeling that maybe, just maybe Apple finally understands what us Mac users
really want and will finally give it to us, a two button mouse! than boom! it hit us all hard, our hopes falls into the burning hell with Steve Jobs NEW but so 1980s one button mouse. Yes, thank you Steve Jobs and Apple for still thinking us Mac users are too stupid to use a two button mouse. Good luck selling these new BT mouse Apple.

Ming Lee"

That's what I wrote them.

[michaelb]

So, you want the Apple Store to sell you a mouse with at least 2 buttons?

Gee, I think they heard you. I've just been then and found these...


--------------------------------------
Kensington Pocket Mouse Pro Wireless $49.95
The Kensington PocketMouse Pro Wireless is packed with the smartest features, including a USB receiver that stows INSIDE the mouse, battery-saving technology, and a 3 ft wireless range.
Learn more about this product


Kensington PocketMouse Pro Portable USB Mouse
$39.95
The first mobile optical mouse with retractable cord. Slip into laptop bag, portfolio or pocket. Release cord length needed and avoid tangles. Plug into the USB Port on your Mac.
Learn more about this product


Kensington StudioMouse Wireless
$69.00
Optical Technology with the pinpoint accuracy you need - and no wires to get stuck or tangled. Add the simplicity of a battery-recharging cradle, and it's easy to see why StudioMouse Wireless is the ideal tool in form and function.
Learn more about this product


Kensington StudioMouse
$39.95
A host of one-touch options and a scroll sensor helps free up your time for creative endeavors, while the optical technology puts that creative effort exactly where you want it.
Learn more about this product


Logitech MX 500 Mouse
$49.95
Exceed even the loftiest expectations with Logitech's MX500. Logitech's new MX Optical Engine captures more data faster. This tracking technology lets you mouse how and where you want, faster and with great response.
Learn more about this product


Logitech MX 700 Cordless Mouse
$69.00
With its powerful MX optical engine, the MX700 instantly responds to even your fastest movements. The rechargeable Fast RF cordless technology gives the responsiveness of a corded connection, but without the cord.
Learn more about this product


Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer
$39.95
The IntelliMouse Explorer is one in Microsoft's family of ball-free mouse products using digital optical tracking technology.
Learn more about this product


Kensington Turbo Mouse Pro Wireless Trackball
$124.00
The Turbo Mouse Pro Wireless offers no wires, no clutter and no hassle! Wireless connectivity: Cord-free connection and the streamlined capabilities of the best-designed trackball - and first wireless one - designed for the Mac.
Learn more about this product


Kensington Turbo Mouse Pro Trackball
$99.00
The premiere trackball for Mac users gives you more powerful options for using your Mac than ever before. Six DirectLaunch buttons launch applications or Web sites with a single touch. Four large, programmable buttons automatically perform repetitive tasks.
Learn more about this product


Kensington ExpertMouse Trackball
$99.00
The best trackball ever made has just gotten better. Designed for the Mac, the new ExpertMouse employs Kensington's Diamond Eye optical technology for smooth, precise cursor movement.
Learn more about this product


Kensington Orbit Optical Trackball
$29.95
Control your cursor with a simple touch of the finger! The highly accurate Orbit Optical is as easy to use as a regular mouse, but it stays in one place saving you valuable desk space.
Learn more about this product


Logitech Cordless Navigator Duo Mouse and Keyboard
$79.00
Logitech engineered the Cordless Navigator Duo to give you more. The Zero-Degree Tilt keyboard is designed to give you more comfort as you type.
Learn more about this product


Logitech Cordless MX Duo Keyboard & Mouse Combo
$99.00
The ultimate wireless keyboard and mouse combination built for the Mac. Logitech has incorporated all of the best technology into a single easy to use design with a super fast response.
Learn more about this product


Wacom Graphire2 Quartz Graphics Tablet
$99.00
Cool, stylish and clean -- that's the new look for Graphire2. The clear acrylic and semi-translucent white pen tablet features Graphire2's new, improved software bundle.
Learn more about this product


Wacom Intuos2 4x5 USB Graphics Tablet
$199.00
With 1,024 levels of pressure sensitivity, nothing unlocks the power of Photoshop, Painter, Paint Shop Pro and other professional graphics applications like Intuos2.
Learn more about this product


Wacom Intuos2 6X8 Platinum
$299.00
Intuos2 features Wacom's unique patented batteryless, cordless technology. With 1,024 levels of pen tip and eraser pressure sensitivity, nothing unlocks the power of Photoshop, Painter, and other professional graphics applications.
Learn more about this product


Wacom Intuos2 9X12 Platinum
$469.00
Intuos2 features Wacom's unique patented batteryless, cordless technology. With 1,024 levels of pen tip and eraser pressure sensitivity, nothing unlocks the power of Photoshop, Painter, and other professional graphics applications.
Learn more about this product

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[I included the Tablets because they make great mouse substitutes.]

Mice with 2 buttons... The Apple Store is so quick to respond to user requests these days. All you have to do is send juvenile messages to their feedback page.

[nobitacu]

Originally posted by michaelb:
So, you want the Apple Store to sell you a mouse with at least 2 buttons?

Gee, I think they heard you. I've just been then and found these...


--------------------------------------
Kensington Pocket Mouse Pro Wireless $49.95
The Kensington PocketMouse Pro Wireless is packed with the smartest features, including a USB receiver that stows INSIDE the mouse, battery-saving technology, and a 3 ft wireless range.
Learn more about this product


Kensington PocketMouse Pro Portable USB Mouse
$39.95
The first mobile optical mouse with retractable cord. Slip into laptop bag, portfolio or pocket. Release cord length needed and avoid tangles. Plug into the USB Port on your Mac.
Learn more about this product


Kensington StudioMouse Wireless
$69.00
Optical Technology with the pinpoint accuracy you need - and no wires to get stuck or tangled. Add the simplicity of a battery-recharging cradle, and it's easy to see why StudioMouse Wireless is the ideal tool in form and function.
Learn more about this product


Kensington StudioMouse
$39.95
A host of one-touch options and a scroll sensor helps free up your time for creative endeavors, while the optical technology puts that creative effort exactly where you want it.
Learn more about this product


Logitech MX 500 Mouse
$49.95
Exceed even the loftiest expectations with Logitech's MX500. Logitech's new MX Optical Engine captures more data faster. This tracking technology lets you mouse how and where you want, faster and with great response.
Learn more about this product


Logitech MX 700 Cordless Mouse
$69.00
With its powerful MX optical engine, the MX700 instantly responds to even your fastest movements. The rechargeable Fast RF cordless technology gives the responsiveness of a corded connection, but without the cord.
Learn more about this product


Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer
$39.95
The IntelliMouse Explorer is one in Microsoft's family of ball-free mouse products using digital optical tracking technology.
Learn more about this product


Kensington Turbo Mouse Pro Wireless Trackball
$124.00
The Turbo Mouse Pro Wireless offers no wires, no clutter and no hassle! Wireless connectivity: Cord-free connection and the streamlined capabilities of the best-designed trackball - and first wireless one - designed for the Mac.
Learn more about this product


Kensington Turbo Mouse Pro Trackball
$99.00
The premiere trackball for Mac users gives you more powerful options for using your Mac than ever before. Six DirectLaunch buttons launch applications or Web sites with a single touch. Four large, programmable buttons automatically perform repetitive tasks.
Learn more about this product


Kensington ExpertMouse Trackball
$99.00
The best trackball ever made has just gotten better. Designed for the Mac, the new ExpertMouse employs Kensington's Diamond Eye optical technology for smooth, precise cursor movement.
Learn more about this product


Kensington Orbit Optical Trackball
$29.95
Control your cursor with a simple touch of the finger! The highly accurate Orbit Optical is as easy to use as a regular mouse, but it stays in one place saving you valuable desk space.
Learn more about this product


Logitech Cordless Navigator Duo Mouse and Keyboard
$79.00
Logitech engineered the Cordless Navigator Duo to give you more. The Zero-Degree Tilt keyboard is designed to give you more comfort as you type.
Learn more about this product


Logitech Cordless MX Duo Keyboard & Mouse Combo
$99.00
The ultimate wireless keyboard and mouse combination built for the Mac. Logitech has incorporated all of the best technology into a single easy to use design with a super fast response.
Learn more about this product


Wacom Graphire2 Quartz Graphics Tablet
$99.00
Cool, stylish and clean -- that's the new look for Graphire2. The clear acrylic and semi-translucent white pen tablet features Graphire2's new, improved software bundle.
Learn more about this product


Wacom Intuos2 4x5 USB Graphics Tablet
$199.00
With 1,024 levels of pressure sensitivity, nothing unlocks the power of Photoshop, Painter, Paint Shop Pro and other professional graphics applications like Intuos2.
Learn more about this product


Wacom Intuos2 6X8 Platinum
$299.00
Intuos2 features Wacom's unique patented batteryless, cordless technology. With 1,024 levels of pen tip and eraser pressure sensitivity, nothing unlocks the power of Photoshop, Painter, and other professional graphics applications.
Learn more about this product


Wacom Intuos2 9X12 Platinum
$469.00
Intuos2 features Wacom's unique patented batteryless, cordless technology. With 1,024 levels of pen tip and eraser pressure sensitivity, nothing unlocks the power of Photoshop, Painter, and other professional graphics applications.
Learn more about this product

---------------------------------------

[I included the Tablets because they make great mouse substitutes.]

Mice with 2 buttons... The Apple Store is so quick to respond to user requests these days. All you have to do is send juvenile messages to their feedback page.

We're talking about a first party mouse, not third party. We want Apple to make us a BT 2 button mouse, so we know it works 100% with the computer. Sure, 3rd party has BT 2 button mouse made for us Mac users, but they are big, ugly, and has some errors. You're missing the point of this post here. Juvenile? I think that's more of towards you since you can't even read this post right.

Ming

[goose]

Originally posted by Developer:
I am very productive with one mouse button, and that since 10 years. So why exactly am I a retard?
I don't need and want a second mouse button. *)

*)
And I know what I'm talking about. I have a two button mouse wheel mouse collecting dust.

The original message said that you would only look like a retard, not that you are a retard. Again, the appearance is only by the person's perception.

I find that I get along better with my multiple button + scroll wheel mouse. I can kick back in my chair, scoll up and down (without having to move the mouse to the right to the scroll bar), right click on a link and open it in a new tab/window, or just right click and select back to go back ('cept in Safari -- why it's not there got me). All this without having to have my other hand on the keyboard......

[Ken Masters]

Originally posted by nobitacu:
We're talking about a first party mouse, not third party. We want Apple to make us a BT 2 button mouse, so we know it works 100% with the computer. Sure, 3rd party has BT 2 button mouse made for us Mac users, but they are big, ugly, and has some errors. You're missing the point of this post here. Juvenile? I think that's more of towards you since you can't even read this post right.

Ming

I paid 6 F***Ken Grand on a freakin' computer, and what, now i have to buy a BRICK of a Mouse just to make My life a little easier!!!!

Hah........

[cwasko]

Submitted to Feedback:

Apple,

I'm really confused as to Apple's latest offering in the peripheral products. I'm ecstatic about that BlueTooth Keyboard. However, I'm totally and completely confused about the Mouse. These are after-market products and therefore should cater to those that would buy them. I feel that not offering a multi-button/scroll wheel mouse is a major problem. I've heard all the 'reports' that say new users understand a one-button mouse better, etc. However, I'm not saying that Apple should not offer a one-button mouse or even not ship new computers with a one-button mouse. What I am saying is that I believe that Apple should offer those who desire a multi-button mouse the option to have one, in a wireless form as well.

Taking this one step further, a BTO option should be given for no kybd/mouse; a wired kybd/mouse; a wireless kybd/mouse; or any combination to there-of.

[dfiler]

Ok... it's my turn to carry the torch and educate the masses about why apple chooses to ship single button mice...

First let me state that an individual's preference for using a two button mouse is quite resonable.

While nearly everyone here has no difficulty using multi-button mice, a significant proportion of all users do have difficulty. To claim otherwise is to demonstrate ignorance or at least a very insular, homogenous, and atypical group of friends.

Yet apple isn't catering to only the single button crowd. In my opinion, the greatest benefit of shipping machines with a one button mouse is that interface designers must make their GUIs work for both one and two button mice. The alternative is to ship two button mice. However, designers would soon start taking the easy way out, relying heavily on contextual menus.

Contextual menus aren't inherently bad but they do pose problems to users new to an interface. They rely on random exploration of an interface, clicking on everything to find functionality. However, when functionality is guaranteed to ALSO be in a menu bar, it is elementary to do a complete walk or an exhaustive search of all available features. No wondering whether functionality is available in a program, if it isn't visible in the list of commands (the menu bar) then it isn't possible.

Apple realizes that developers almost always go back and provide duplicate functionality via contextual menus. The opposite isn't true. Developers are less likely to transfer contextual menu commands to a visible location in the interface after that functionality is already available in popup menus.

The single-button, stock mouse is the lesser of two evils. Yes, it forces many users to purchase a 20 dollar accessory from a third party. Yet, it ensure that OS X software will be based on the principle of recognition rather than that of recall. Users only have to recognize the name of an available command from a list, a list that is always in the same location. They don't need to recall which random pixel to click on to get otherwise hidden functionality.

[talisker]

Originally posted by nobitacu:
Good luck selling these new BT mouse Apple.

Why don't you think they'll sell them? Every Apple mouse has been single button, and as far as I know they've had success in selling them. Why would this one be any different - do you really think that the general public's requirement for a 2 button mouse has increased over time? Why should a one button mouse be any less useful now than it was a few years ago, when Apple introduced the pro mouse for example?

[michaelb]

Originally posted by dfiler:
Ok... it's my turn to carry the torch and educate the masses about why apple chooses to ship single button mice...

Noble effort, but why bother? Many have tried but the people here have made their mind up a long time ago. They simply don't get it.

What I just don't get why the single-button haters don't simply use 3rd party mice exclusively if they want the non-default option. Apple's mice aren't that great anyway: the bubble mouse is pretty to look at but handles like a bar of soap in a warm bath, especially in a humid climate.

And Apple has no special skill at making precision infrared receptors - Logitech's MX series mice feel to me to be far more precise in their tracking. If you want good stuff, you have to pay for it.

Anyway, As the Apple Turns had a good description of the issues the other day. The children here won't get that either, their mind is set like concrete.

[Ken Masters]

Originally posted by michaelb:
Noble effort, but why bother? Many have tried but the people here have made their mind up a long time ago. They simply don't get it.

[snip]......................................

Anyway, As the Apple Turns had a good description of the issues the other day. The children here won't get that either, their mind is set like concrete.

Apple is suppose to be innovative, and they usually are, they bring tomorrows tech, NOW,

Funny how Little Stevo doesn't get the fact that as technology advances, so does it complexity,

And I don't see how complex a fu*ken 2 button mouse IS, or a rise in contextual menus??? Most Apps on the Mac are iApps for the intermediates, so apple has full control of Dumbo�s who can�t use a second button.

If you can't use *new* features, don't buy a computer FULL STOP

FOr advance users who don't live and breath iMovie, i want a two button mouse!!!

[Luca Rescigno]

Actually, today I realized that a one button mouse is enough for most people. Yeah, most everyone here at MacNN and the other web boards I frequent is all mad about the one button thing, but a number of casual Mac owners I know prefer the one button mice. My mom has actually spent more time on systems 5, 6 and 7 than she has on OS 8, 9 and X, because she started working in Illustrator on a Mac II in 1988. She still holds down menubars instead of just clicking once, because she's so used to it. So, she's spent some nine years working with Macs when two button mice weren't commonly available and scroll wheels weren't available for Macs at all. She has been using her puck mouse (with a MacAlly cover to make it ergonomic) since she bought her blue G3 in 1999. Now she has a Pro mouse.

My dad and grandfather prefer one button mice too, and I just gave the one button mouse I got with my eMac to a friend today. It would still make a nice option to just forego the one button mouse and get a two button instead, but then people would complain that Apple is charging to get a lousy mouse with your computer when it used to be free. People will always find something to complain about. I prefer two buttons (well, eight actually, I have an MX500), but I think it works out fine if Apple bundles the one button for free and then the user decides to keep or toss it.

On the other hand, the wireless mouse should be an option - one button, or two button plus scroll. That would nab them LOTS of sales. It's not like you're going to confuse the user, because they'd have to 1) know what bluetooth is, 2) make a conscious decision to replace their current mouse/keyboard and 3) appreciate the advantages and disadvantages of a wireless setup so they can actually justify spending $70 for each. I don't know if I'd give up my Logitech for a bluetooth Apple 2-button mouse, but I'd certainly consider it.

By the way, why do people constantly say that the new Apple keyboard sucks? I just got one today with my eMac and I like it just fine. USB ports on the back of the keyboard rather than the sides doesn't make much difference to me, but it's kinda cool.

[cwasko]

Originally posted by michaelb:
And Apple has no special skill at making precision infrared receptors - Logitech's MX series mice feel to me to be far more precise in their tracking. If you want good stuff, you have to pay for it.

Well, infact, I do have one of the 'wireless' mice from Logitech. Great mouse, too bad I have to plug a wired receiver into the USB port. While this is great for my desktop, it is pretty much useless for my BlueTooth enabled 17" Powerbook. I'd buy a BT mouse that has *full* compatibility with the OS in a heart-beat. I really could care less who makes it. Its just that Apple has chosen to make a very good product (non-interfering, secure transmission) but they lack in offering a 2 button/scroll wheel mouse. So, I'm still stuck trying to figure out which mouse I'm going to buy, whereas if Apple had the intelligence to offer a two button/scroll wheel mouse... I'd have ordered it already. So far there is no BlueTooth mouse that has full Mac compatibility available. So, to all those that defend why Apple choose to make Yet Another One Button Mouse, can you understand this train of thought (that many people obviously share)?

I'll reiterate though, I'm not saying that Apple should stop offering the mono-mouse or even stop shipping new CPUs with the mono-mouse. I simply want a 100% compatible, BlueTooth, non-interfering, secure mouse that is made by a reputable company.

[hyteckit]

Originally posted by dfiler:
Ok... it's my turn to carry the torch and educate the masses about why apple chooses to ship single button mice...

First let me state that an individual's preference for using a two button mouse is quite resonable.

While nearly everyone here has no difficulty using multi-button mice, a significant proportion of all users do have difficulty. To claim otherwise is to demonstrate ignorance or at least a very insular, homogenous, and atypical group of friends.

Yet apple isn't catering to only the single button crowd. In my opinion, the greatest benefit of shipping machines with a one button mouse is that interface designers must make their GUIs work for both one and two button mice. The alternative is to ship two button mice. However, designers would soon start taking the easy way out, relying heavily on contextual menus.

Contextual menus aren't inherently bad but they do pose problems to users new to an interface. They rely on random exploration of an interface, clicking on everything to find functionality. However, when functionality is guaranteed to ALSO be in a menu bar, it is elementary to do a complete walk or an exhaustive search of all available features. No wondering whether functionality is available in a program, if it isn't visible in the list of commands (the menu bar) then it isn't possible.

Apple realizes that developers almost always go back and provide duplicate functionality via contextual menus. The opposite isn't true. Developers are less likely to transfer contextual menu commands to a visible location in the interface after that functionality is already available in popup menus.

The single-button, stock mouse is the lesser of two evils. Yes, it forces many users to purchase a 20 dollar accessory from a third party. Yet, it ensure that OS X software will be based on the principle of recognition rather than that of recall. Users only have to recognize the name of an available command from a list, a list that is always in the same location. They don't need to recall which random pixel to click on to get otherwise hidden functionality.

How about Apple shipping a 2-button mouse and scroll wheel and provide a mouse control panel that lets you turn off the second mouse button and scroll wheel. Equivalent to something like "simple finder". Simple mouse!

With the second button disable, no one can accidental click on the second button by mistake.

Why alienate 90% of the Mac population just to appease the other 10% of Mac users.

Also, how many developers actually use a 1 button mouse?

[hyteckit]

Originally posted by talisker:
Why don't you think they'll sell them? Every Apple mouse has been single button, and as far as I know they've had success in selling them. Why would this one be any different - do you really think that the general public's requirement for a 2 button mouse has increased over time? Why should a one button mouse be any less useful now than it was a few years ago, when Apple introduced the pro mouse for example?

Cause people advance and become more adept with computers. Many 10 year olds today know so much about computers and handle a PC or Mac easily. 2-button mouse is like first grade math to them. A 2-button mouse with scroll wheel improves productivity. It doesn't hinder people and make them more confuse. Well, most peole. Yes, you have the 10% of the population who are computer illiterate and can't use a computer to save their lifes.

[krove]

Why even argue the pros/cons of 1-button vs. 2-button mice?

Apple should sell TWO versions of the mouse:
1. Current single-button model.
2. A 2-button, scroll wheel version.

I can't live without a scroll wheel anymore: it's just to valuable.

[Amorya]

Originally posted by hyteckit:
Cause people advance and become more adept with computers. Many 10 year olds today know so much about computers and handle a PC or Mac easily. 2-button mouse is like first grade math to them. A 2-button mouse with scroll wheel improves productivity. It doesn't hinder people and make them more confuse. Well, most peole. Yes, you have the 10% of the population who are computer illiterate and can't use a computer to save their lifes.

It hinders me. I've spoken against a multibutton mouse before, and cited ergonomic reasons. My points still stand. I know perfectly well how to use a multibutton mouse, but by choice I would not use one.

I have several mice - people keep giving me them. The one I use is an Apple pro mouse.

BTW, have just sent feedback to Apple in support of one button mice

Amorya

[Luca Rescigno]

I use my second button and (especially!) the scroll wheel too much to give up my multi-button mouse, but watching the video of the keynote almost had me convinced that I wanted a one button mouse. Yeah, Steve Jobs has some incredible RDF going. I almost regretted giving away the Apple Mouse I got with my eMac earlier this week.

ALMOST!

[hyteckit]

Originally posted by Amorya:
It hinders me. I've spoken against a multibutton mouse before, and cited ergonomic reasons. My points still stand. I know perfectly well how to use a multibutton mouse, but by choice I would not use one.

I have several mice - people keep giving me them. The one I use is an Apple pro mouse.

BTW, have just sent feedback to Apple in support of one button mice

Amorya

And then there are those who don't like change and are more comfortable with what they are use to.

[Luca Rescigno]

I was thinking... what about combining a single-button Apple mouse with a Griffin PowerMate? That way you'd get right-clicking by tapping the PowerMate, and scrolling by spinning it. Or the PowerMate could be a command-click (for new Safari tabs) and scroll, and since your hand would be over to the left side anyway it wouldn't be hard to reach the control key.

Just some interesting ideas. What do you ergonomics "experts" think of that? Would it be better to do one of those things rather than using a two button scroll mouse?

[wallinbl]

Why not just have the option for a "Pro Mouse" that has two buttons and a scroll wheel. It's nuts to sell professional machines that have one mouse button. Sure, I get it for ease of use for the iMac/iBook. However, I don't get it at all on the PowerBook/PowerMac.

[Ganesha]

Originally posted by kokosnootje:
just posted my feedback: (sorry if my English is not error-free)

Dear Apple,

As you know the marketshare of Apple pc's in The Netherlands is dramatic. As a treu Mac fan that works in a IT departement of a 100% Microsoft company I always try to show people how many less problem we would have if we were to use Macs.
With OS X you have made that more realistic.
After I show the misinformed that Mac OS is matured and lost the problems that they still talk of they sometimes go and have a look for themselves at you site.
After they see that even your newest BlueTooth mouse still has one button they laugh in my face. Apple still hasn't learned what people want.
You have to understand that things like a one button mouse make you and me look like retards.
A small detail like that will be the crack in the plaster that Microsoft minded people will use to put their fingernail in and peel the beautiful fresco off the wall so they can tell people that you don't have that sort of problem with a bare wall.

Next time a windows worms hits, call up IT and say 'Your still running MS?' and laugh in their face.

[Zoom]

Originally posted by krove:
Why even argue the pros/cons of 1-button vs. 2-button mice?

Apple should sell TWO versions of the mouse:
1. Current single-button model.
2. A 2-button, scroll wheel version.

I can't live without a scroll wheel anymore: it's just to valuable.

Yes, of course. This, I think, is what most people here are saying: Apple should make both and it should be a BTO option at the store.

However, I also agree with one of the posters that said there should also be a "no mouse" and "no keyboard" option for BTO if they're not going to make a two-button mouse. The damn things cost $50 each. But of course, Apple wouldn't credit you their retail price for the mouse, would they?

As for two button mice perverting all the Mac software writers... bah. Third party app writers do it, anyway. As for Apple, I'm sure Steve can still manage to force his own designers to keep their apps and OS easy to use with a one-button mouse. That argument holds no water with me. You can argue that all apps should work well with a single button mouse, that contextual menus are bad, and that we should crusade to rid the world of these evils, but frankly, I'd say that was ridiculous. There is plenty of room in the Apple world for BOTH mice and apps that work well either way.

As for "confusing people" with an extra button and a scroll wheel, I don't really buy that, either. Come on, folks, it's not that big of a stretch. My 3.5 year old daughter can do it.

I just bought a Logitech MX510 and love it, but I did buy an Apple keyboard because I like the way they feel. Apple could make a great 2-button scroll mouse, they just choose not to, for no reason I can fathom.

[Dopey]

Originally posted by Luca Rescigno:
I was thinking... what about combining a single-button Apple mouse with a Griffin PowerMate? That way you'd get right-clicking by tapping the PowerMate, and scrolling by spinning it. Or the PowerMate could be a command-click (for new Safari tabs) and scroll, and since your hand would be over to the left side anyway it wouldn't be hard to reach the control key.

Just some interesting ideas. What do you ergonomics "experts" think of that? Would it be better to do one of those things rather than using a two button scroll mouse?

Nice idea. It happens to be nearly exactly what I do. My settings vary from application to application, but for browsing, I have my PM set to scroll when I spin and print when I click. [mental note: set long-click to add bookmark]. While I could assign functions to hold/spin, I see no value in complexity.

[Boondoggle]

Well if I'm going to spend $60 for a mouse I'm going to get the one I like. And it might just be a trackball. If you can't afford to lay down some petty cash for your favorite mouse after buying your dual G5 then you should go on a diet and consider prostitution as a second career.

The thing about mice is everyone wants somthing different. Some people like small mice, some large, some with extra buttons, etc... carping about this kind of pointless crap is why we mac users get called 'zealots' in the press. Apple has never sold more than 1 mouse (for long).

The cheapass 2 button mice that ship with most PC blow cheese. Those loosers either suffer along or go buy something that suits thier personal prefs. too.

At some point this KB and mouse will ship with every desktop system.

Mice are a personal thing, it is where the foot hits the pavement. We don't all wear the same f'ing sneakers, do we? Who is to say you'd even LIKE a multibutton Apple Mouse?

bd

[hyteckit]

Originally posted by Boondoggle:
Well if I'm going to spend $60 for a mouse I'm going to get the one I like. And it might just be a trackball. If you can't afford to lay down some petty cash for your favorite mouse after buying your dual G5 then you should go on a diet and consider prostitution as a second career.

The thing about mice is everyone wants somthing different. Some people like small mice, some large, some with extra buttons, etc... carping about this kind of pointless crap is why we mac users get called 'zealots' in the press. Apple has never sold more than 1 mouse (for long).

The cheapass 2 button mice that ship with most PC blow cheese. Those loosers either suffer along or go buy something that suits thier personal prefs. too.

At some point this KB and mouse will ship with every desktop system.

Mice are a personal thing, it is where the foot hits the pavement. We don't all wear the same f'ing sneakers, do we? Who is to say you'd even LIKE a multibutton Apple Mouse?

bd

Um... yeah.

Next, you'll be telling Apple to bring back the Mouse Puck that came with the original iMac cause no one really cares about the mouse Apple comes out with.

[Ken Masters]

Originally posted by hyteckit:
Um... yeah.

Next, you'll be telling Apple to bring back the Mouse Puck that came with the original iMac cause no one really cares about the mouse Apple comes out with.

Don't forget their stupid original iMac/PMac keyboard.

That intergrated the arrow keys under the return key.

It was stupid and disfunctional. Everyone b!tched about it and apple gave us a real Pro Keyboard. People didn't mind the mouse, because we were still with OS 9, an aging b!tch that needed a facelift but didn't.

Now X is here, Where is our MOUSE!!!

[msuper69]

Originally posted by videian28:


not rechargable..either of them strike one

You can use rechargable AAs in the keyboard. But of course having to remove the batteries every couple of months or so will be too much trouble for some.

[babble]

You guys still don't know how Apple works do you?

First they introduced the wireless mouse. People run out and buy them. Apple make lots of money.

THEN, later in 6 to 12 months:
Apple introduces the NEW wireless 2 buttons mouse. People run out and buy them. Apple makes even more money.