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Super Mario · 03:55 PM

If it is Intel and OSX anyone can code apps for it and that means Skype can be downloaded on the iPhone for VOIP, right?

turtle777 · Jan 9, 2007, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by Super Mario

Probably VOIP only for .mac users right??? If it supports VOIP who will be handling the communications protocols? Jobs didn't mention VOIP at all.

I don't know where voodoo moron get's the whole VoIP idea from. Was he being funny ? Darn Spaniards !

-t

Dark Helmet · Jan 9, 2007, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

Right, the network connection is probably still the same, but Cingular probably had to shift around their backends somewhat.

They've said the phone is staying exclusive to Cingular for two years. I don't think you're going to be able to activate it with anyone else, or even get it without a plan.

Again they must mean exclusive in the US as it will ship in the UK and in Asia and they don't got cingular.

finboy · Jan 9, 2007, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar²

Let the praise or complaints begin.

$499 for that? Nuts. And Cingular? You gotta be kidding me.

Super Mario · 03:55 PM

How fast is the CPU? Is it Intel GMA950 on the circuit board?

Dark Helmet · Jan 9, 2007, 05:13 PM

Think about what a good game system this phone can be:

1) Touchscreen (DS)
2) Motion detection (wii)
3) Large widescreen (PSP)
4) Wireless. Wifi and BT.
5) Bluetooth for add on controllers

Dakar² · Jan 9, 2007, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by finboy

$499 for that? Nuts. And Cingular? You gotta be kidding me.

Price seems fair... Too bad I'm not interested in it, cause I'm on Cingular

Dark Helmet · Jan 9, 2007, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by Super Mario

If it is Intel and OSX anyone can code apps for it and that means Skype can be downloaded on the iPhone for VOIP, right?

Even if you can't at launch it will take a month before somebody does it.

Super Mario · 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by turtle777

I don't know where voodoo moron get's the whole VoIP idea from. Was he being funny ? Darn Spaniards !

-t

What if we can download Skype on it and use the wifi?

goMac · Jan 9, 2007, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

Again they must mean exclusive in the US as it will ship in the UK and in Asia and they don't got cingular.

They already announced their exclusive carrier for Europe, I forget who it was...

Dakar² · Jan 9, 2007, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

Think about what a good game system this phone can be:

1) Touchscreen (DS)
2) Motion detection (wii)
3) Large widescreen (PSP)
4) Wireless. Wifi and BT.
5) Bluetooth for add on controllers

The first 3rd party hacks can be game emulators.

cjrivera · Jan 9, 2007, 05:15 PM

Price is not bad, but Cingular only?

Super Mario · 03:55 PM

This could kill the Nintendo DS with Multitouch games

voodoo · Jan 9, 2007, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

This seems to reflect the way people use SMS in America. Japan too, from what I'm told. What do people do in your neck of the woods?

At 20 cents per sms, I don't use it like that. I don't know anyone who does. 140 bytes for 20 cents. I don't even want to know what the kB is for SMS.

I use SMS every day, but not for chatting. Just to get information across in a short and concise manner. After all is only 160 7-bit characters, 140 8-bit characters and 70 16-bit.

From what I'm told, SMS isn't used so much in Japan. They have some other protocol.

Also, I hope the iPhone supports MMS. I mean.. of course it does, right?

V

mdc · Jan 9, 2007, 05:17 PM

Here's what I'm hoping for.

Plug in the Nike+ adaptor, go for a run, and after the run the iPhone automatically syncs with nikeplus.com and you can use iPhone's Safari to view your run.

No Time 4 Love Dr. Jones · Jan 9, 2007, 05:17 PM

Wonderful product, but I think I'm going stay with my old SLVR. It just seems the iPhone does too much for me to wrap my brain around.

Now I'm going to be refreshing the store looking for stealth iMac upgrades for the next two months.

Super Mario · 03:55 PM

There must be support for .mac, aol and jabber protocols in messaging over wifi.

Super Mario · 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by voodoo

pports MMS. I mean.. of course it does, right?

V

IMAP push email with attachments is better and will work over wifi and GSM/EDGE.

Velocity211 · Jan 9, 2007, 05:19 PM

Good: All the features, Cingular (I have a 2 year contract that started this past summer), and more
Bad: Is there a camera? No UMTS, 8GB Max (I could use more, but that would prob. be asking for too much), PRICE!!

Super Mario · 03:56 PM

Why no iSight for video chat?

KeyLimePi · Jan 9, 2007, 05:21 PM

Do I think it will sell? All I can say is I'd like to have one-half of one percent of the profits just from the sale of third-party cases that will end up being made for this thing. $eriously.

Dakar² · Jan 9, 2007, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by Super Mario

Why no iSight for video chat?

olePigeon · Jan 9, 2007, 05:22 PM

I think the reason Apple went with Cingular (GSM specifically) is so they can roll the product out in Europe and Asia with fewer problems.

Dark Helmet · Jan 9, 2007, 05:22 PM

I get 2500 SENT text messages for $10 right now so that isn't a worry. The data plans here are nuts though but it might change as they just launched 3.5G.

Super Mario · 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar²

OK. I'll ask another question. Why no lens flare effect on the GUI?

voodoo · Jan 9, 2007, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by Super Mario

IMAP push email with attachments is better and will work over wifi and GSM/EDGE.

Lot of good that will do, since most people I know have MMS capable phones and not internet capable phones. It isn't a question of which is better technology, but which is the more practical technology.

Email is useless for sending messages between phones until most/all phones are always connected to the net. Which they aren't. The only net they're constantly connected to is the GSM net.

V

Dark Helmet · Jan 9, 2007, 05:24 PM

Everything aside... how does the Zune look now. Dumb as **** that is how

I mean it's only advantage was Wifi and widescreen and the iPhone got both plus 100x more.

voodoo · Jan 9, 2007, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

They already announced their exclusive carrier for Europe, I forget who it was...

Whoa. There is *one* carrier that covers Europe? Vodafone perhaps.

V

Gossamer · Jan 9, 2007, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

Even if you can't at launch it will take a month before somebody does it.

I wonder how long until someone has Linux running on it...

Super Mario · 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by Gossamer

I wonder how long until someone has Linux running on it...

Or if we can code apps for it how long until someone makes a Terminal.app?

Can I copy Terminal.app to it?

turtle777 · Jan 9, 2007, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by Nexus5

Why? What are you talking about? Sorry but give me some arguments. Have you tested UMTS against EDGE? Which carrier in which area in which country? What kind of hardware have you used?

nexus5.

Cingular somewhere claims avg. EDGE speed of about 80 Kbit/s. That's only a little faster than dialup. My bro get's Cingular UMTS of about 700 Kbit/s. I call that a difference.

I have to find those numbers for Cingular EDGE again. Then I'll post the link.

-t

brokenjago · Jan 9, 2007, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by Super Mario

Can I copy Terminal.app to it?

I dunno.

Is it running darwin?

Chuckit · Jan 9, 2007, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by voodoo

At 20 cents per sms, I don't use it like that. I don't know anyone who does.

My little sister uses it like that. All her friends use it like that. For $10 a month, you get unlimited SMS.

Originally Posted by voodoo

From what I'm told, SMS isn't used so much in Japan. They have some other protocol.

Eh, maybe it's a different protocol. It's text messaging either way.

Dark Helmet · Jan 9, 2007, 05:27 PM

Questions:

1) Video out?
2) Wifi video out to ITV?
3) Can you steam media over Wifi locally from iTV or computers? What about worldwide?
4) Purchase music straight to the iPhone?
5) How much space does the OS take? Does it take it out of the 4/8 gigs on on its own ROM?
6) Cool if you could connect a BT keyboard to it to type text files or emails.

Super Mario · 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by voodoo

Lot of good that will do, since most people I know have MMS capable phones and not internet capable phones. It isn't a question of which is better technology, but which is the more practical technology.

Email is useless for sending messages between phones until most/all phones are always connected to the net. Which they aren't. The only net they're constantly connected to is the GSM net.

V

Oh ya I forgot. The iPhone made me totally forget other phones exist

Dakar² · Jan 9, 2007, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

Questions:
5) How much space does the OS take? Does it take it out of the 4/8 gigs on on its own ROM?

That's an excellent question.

Nexus5 · Jan 9, 2007, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by olePigeon

I think the reason Apple went with Cingular (GSM specifically) is so they can roll the product out in Europe and Asia with fewer problems.

There is no cingular in europe.

nexus5.

ort888 · Jan 9, 2007, 05:29 PM

This is the device I have been dreaming about for years and years.

I have a few concerns, but right now I'm very excited.

Cingulars data plans are pretty pricey though. I'm hoping they come up with some sort of special plan just for this device. We'll see.

My wife and I both need new phones and it would get really pricey really quickly if we both got these.

Also, I wonder if they will come in any other colors? It would suck to have two identical phones.

turtle777 · Jan 9, 2007, 05:29 PM

Ok, guys, this is NOT a full blown OS where you can just load any OS X app on. I'm sure it doesn't work that way ! Those apps still have to be customized for the iPhone. Question is if Apple opens it up for 3rd party apps or not.

-t

AssassyN · Jan 9, 2007, 05:30 PM

I think the reason Apple went with Cingular (GSM specifically) is so they can roll the product out in Europe and Asia with fewer problems.

I'll bet this is right on the money, and it sucks. I could be wrong, but it's Cingular *THE* most expensive data provider of any US carrier? Great, unveil a phone where data is a must-have, and put it on the carrier who charges the most.

My biggest gripe w/ the iPhone is the fact that no REAL widescreen 6G iPod was annouced after it. What is that? The iPhone is not an iPod, it's a nano w/ video at best, and a whole bunch of stuff I don't need if I'm not on Cingular.

I love the iPhone for the folks it's for, but what about folks who want THAT screen on JUST an iPod w/ 80GB or so? Apple, you listening?

I get the feeling that 2007 is the year Apple becomes a consumer electronics company that fades computers out...Apple, Inc. says a lot in and of itself.

Super Mario · 03:56 PM

1) Video out? No.
2) Wifi video out to ITV? No. Jobs said computers to Apple TV only. No iPods and iPhone.
3) Can you steam media over Wifi locally from iTV or computers? What about worldwide? Maybe the library shows up over Wifi to iTunes users.
4) Purchase music straight to the iPhone? No. Playback and sync only.
5) How much space does the OS take? Does it take it out of the 4/8 gigs on on its own ROM? Must be its own ROM or it would be slow.
6) Cool if you could connect a BT keyboard to it to type text files or emails? This I believe will be possible. A whole market of accessories will happen.

My questions are what is internal hardware specs for the CPU and chipset? Can anyone code apps for it?

Dark Helmet · Jan 9, 2007, 05:31 PM

Swappable battery?

Or even replaceable at all?

turtle777 · Jan 9, 2007, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

Swappable battery?

Or even replaceable at all?

Good question. Probably not, since Apple will transfer their iPod philosophy over.

-t

Chuckit · Jan 9, 2007, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by AssassyN

I'll bet this is right on the money, and it sucks. I could be wrong, but it's Cingular *THE* most expensive data provider of any US carrier? Great, unveil a phone where data is a must-have, and put it on the carrier who charges the most.

It comes with a contract. We don't know the terms of that contract. They might be quite generous.

Originally Posted by AssassyN

I get the feeling that 2007 is the year Apple becomes a consumer electronics company that fades computers out...Apple, Inc. says a lot in and of itself.

Or maybe it will become a TV products company that fades the iPhone before it's even released. Surely Apple can't make several products at once.

lpkmckenna · Jan 9, 2007, 05:35 PM

The iPhone is damn impressive. It looks like Core Animation underlies the interface. Makes me salivate for Leopard.

I really expected an iPod+phone, not a handheld Mac+phone. Shocking.

Can I download books from gutenberg.org and read them on this?
Can I GTD on this?
Is it open to developers? (My guess: no.)

Gossamer · Jan 9, 2007, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by Super Mario

5) How much space does the OS take? Does it take it out of the 4/8 gigs on on its own ROM? Must be its own ROM or it would be slow.

What are you basing that on? If it's flashed based memory, it's not that slow.

Super Mario · 03:56 PM

Nobody said it...

Ladies and gentlemen. We have an iPod Kill3r!!!!!111

Dark Helmet · Jan 9, 2007, 05:36 PM

what do you think they will do with the iPod video now?

The only thing it got going for it is lots of storage

mdc · Jan 9, 2007, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

Everything aside... how does the Zune look now. Dumb as **** that is how

I mean it's only advantage was Wifi and widescreen and the iPhone got both plus 100x more.

I was thinking that while the keynote was on. Microsoft can't be too happy right now. They said how good the Zune was with it's WiFi and widescreen.

Why we can't wait for iPhone gaming - Joystiq
^ That sounds cool

Wiskedjak · Jan 9, 2007, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by kmkkid

Fido I'm pretty sure, since they use the same network as Rogers now.

But Really, Rogers is the Leading company in every aspect within Canada, it's really a no-brainer to choose Rogers.

You know that Rogers owns Fido, right? Even if it does end up on Fido, it's still Rogers.