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Krypton · Jun 30, 2004, 01:50 PM

Apparently the Javascript engine has been rewritten so that benchmark times have been slashed in half. Not too shabby

mishap · Jun 30, 2004, 02:13 PM

nice.

ryju · Jun 30, 2004, 02:29 PM

Awesome, Tiger-only?

Krypton · Jun 30, 2004, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by ryju:
Awesome, Tiger-only?

Nope, this is an upcoming 10.3 release - there are pictures floating around, but as expected they don't look any different from the current version.

Apparently all the stuff showcased at WWDC, including RSS, is in the app but not hooked up yet (Tiger Safari is v2.0).

nooon · Jun 30, 2004, 03:02 PM

then somebody must hook it up! Maybe Hao Li can.

Krypton · Jun 30, 2004, 03:17 PM

To be honest I really don't see the point in waiting a whole year to implement RSS support - people won't see it as *new* then (I know it's not new now, but the average user will think it is).

F_Elz · Jun 30, 2004, 03:20 PM

Omniweb 5 already has that... Opera too.

goose · Jun 30, 2004, 03:28 PM

Do you happen to know if Safari still resizes the window the first time you go to a tabbed view?

akuma-x · Jun 30, 2004, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by goose:
Do you happen to know if Safari still resizes the window the first time you go to a tabbed view?

Yes it still does.

F_Elz · Jun 30, 2004, 04:38 PM

God that annoys me

nforcer · Jun 30, 2004, 08:29 PM

Used this benchmark for my tests.

Safari 1.2: 238.23 seconds (T1 time: 120.703 sec., T2 time: 3.259 sec., T3 time: 3.424 sec., T4 time: 47.776 sec., T5 time: 25.513 sec., T6 time: 9.499 sec., T7 time: 28.051 sec.)
Safari 1.3 dp1: 22.67 seconds (T1 time: 4.54 sec., T2 time: 2.502 sec., T3 time: 2.429 sec., T4 time: 4.549 sec., T5 time: 0.731 sec., T6 time: 7.136 sec., T7 time: 0.784 sec.)

An order of magnitude faster, and then some.

IGN, a site under Safari 1.2 that would take about 40 seconds on any page for me, is now usable again in Safari 1.3.

I'm just starting to have fun with it. I will post further impressions if they are significant, later.

jgcan · Jun 30, 2004, 10:08 PM

ok, new to the mac world here, please don't feed me with "moral comments, NDA ..." but is there a way to get 1.3 without beeing a dev.?

email me @ jgniquet-----at-----videotron.ca

cpac · Jun 30, 2004, 10:11 PM

Originally posted by jgcan:
is there a way to get 1.3 without beeing a dev.?

wait for the actual release?

MacGorilla · Jun 30, 2004, 10:16 PM

Originally posted by cpac:
wait for the actual release?

macvillage.net · Jun 30, 2004, 10:27 PM

I'm curious if they wrote a new engine, or if they perhaps used another engine (Mozilla's SpiderMonkey perhaps?)

Seems rather quick to write a new JS engine (if it's a complete implementation). It's pretty complex.

Besides, David Hyatt is working on Safari, and is all ex-Netscape (Mozilla). So it wouldn't be to suprising.

Synotic · Jun 30, 2004, 10:46 PM

Originally posted by macvillage.net:
I'm curious if they wrote a new engine, or if they perhaps used another engine (Mozilla's SpiderMonkey perhaps?)

Seems rather quick to write a new JS engine (if it's a complete implementation). It's pretty complex.

Besides, David Hyatt is working on Safari, and is all ex-Netscape (Mozilla). So it wouldn't be to suprising.

Unlikely, unless it got a whole lot faster, testing with Firefox it took me about 48 seconds to complete the test. A PowerBook with lower specs than mine did it in 16 seconds. What do you mean be rather quick? They could've been working on this for years.

King Bob On The Cob · Jun 30, 2004, 11:10 PM

Originally posted by Synotic:
Unlikely, unless it got a whole lot faster, testing with Firefox it took me about 48 seconds to complete the test. A PowerBook with lower specs than mine did it in 16 seconds. What do you mean be rather quick? They could've been working on this for years.

Exactly. Plus if they are going to use a runtime connected to WebCore to do Dashboard, there is a high probability that there's more than just Hyatt working on it.

jgcan · Jul 1, 2004, 12:04 AM

Originally posted by cpac:
wait for the actual release?

Exactly the kind of useless answer that I asked for, but I should have known better by now when I see so much of them .... thanks a lot, you can be proud of yourself, I guess that is how some of your more than 2000 posts have been cumulating, smart !

jokell82 · Jul 1, 2004, 01:26 AM

Originally posted by jgcan:
Exactly the kind of useless answer that I asked for, but I should have known better by now when I see so much of them .... thanks a lot, you can be proud of yourself, I guess that is how some of your more than 2000 posts have been cumulating, smart !

Why do you think anyone here would help you pirate software?

King Bob On The Cob · Jul 1, 2004, 02:10 AM

Originally posted by jokell82:
Why do you think anyone here would help you pirate software?

Yeah... I wish

JLL · Jul 1, 2004, 04:07 AM

Originally posted by macvillage.net:
I'm curious if they wrote a new engine, or if they perhaps used another engine (Mozilla's SpiderMonkey perhaps?)

Seems rather quick to write a new JS engine (if it's a complete implementation). It's pretty complex.

Besides, David Hyatt is working on Safari, and is all ex-Netscape (Mozilla). So it wouldn't be to suprising.

Hyatt isn't working on JavaScript.

Chuckit · Jul 1, 2004, 05:04 AM

Originally posted by jgcan:
Exactly the kind of useless answer that I asked for, but I should have known better by now when I see so much of them ....

Yes, you should have known better than to ask for advice on pirating software. As explained in the forum guidelines, that's a good way to get a thread killed.

Targon · 05:31 AM

In Safari many links i clik open in a new window. What can i do to force these pages to convert the 'Open in New Window' command (script) to just open link in the same Tab the link is in?? If i wanted the link in a 'New Window' i'd Command Click the Link so it opens in a new Tab

This is terribly frustrating an annoying to have windows opening up all over the screen.

What exactly is it in a page that tells a browser to open a new window for a link that is clicked? I Disable JavaScript but these links still open in a new window, so it can't be that. I just want to defeat this behavior.

Thanks In-advance

chris_h · Jul 1, 2004, 06:00 AM

Originally posted by Targon:

What exactly is it in a page that tells a browser to open a new window for a link that is clicked? I Disable JavaScript but these links still open in a new window, so it can't be that. I just want to defeat this behavior.

Thanks In-advance

it's a function of HTML itself, not javascript or anything like that.

basically, inside an href tag, you can have a target=whatever statement. usually target=blank or whatever, but you can name the window there if you want later clicks to open in an already opened window instead of opening yet another one (hope that made any sense here at 5am)

jgcan · Jul 1, 2004, 06:05 AM

Originally posted by Chuckit:
Yes, you should have known better than to ask for advice on pirating software. As explained in the forum guidelines, that's a good way to get a thread killed.

Pirating software?? Software that I will get for free, boy you need to rethink what pirating software is well thinking man. If I don't mind using beta software, it doesn't take away anything from Apple. Again, you should read my first post, I did ask those interested to help, not the others like you. When something doesn't please you, just get over it and do your own business. Thanks ...

dtriska · Jul 1, 2004, 06:10 AM

Originally posted by jgcan:
Pirating software?? Software that I will get for free, boy you need to rethink what pirating software is well thinking man. If I don't mind using beta software, it doesn't take away anything from Apple. Again, you should read my first post, I did ask those interested to help, not the others like you. When something doesn't please you, just get over it and do your own business. Thanks ...

Yeah, Apple doesn't make any money from ADC memberships...

Targon · Jul 1, 2004, 06:24 AM

Originally posted by chris_h:
it's a function of HTML itself, not javascript or anything like that.

basically, inside an href tag, you can have a target=whatever statement. usually target=blank or whatever, but you can name the window there if you want later clicks to open in an already opened window instead of opening yet another one (hope that made any sense here at 5am)

Is it possible to add some commands into my Custom CSS that i use for Safari?

If so what code shall i add?

Cheers

cpac · Jul 1, 2004, 08:13 AM

Originally posted by jgcan:
Pirating software?? Software that I will get for free, boy you need to rethink what pirating software is well thinking man. If I don't mind using beta software, it doesn't take away anything from Apple. Again, you should read my first post, I did ask those interested to help, not the others like you. When something doesn't please you, just get over it and do your own business. Thanks ...

bottom line? If you ask a stupid question, you'll get a stupid answer. If you need help to pirate software, your probably shouldn't be using beta software at all anyway.

In short, you've received only what you deserve.

Synotic · Jul 1, 2004, 09:44 AM

Originally posted by Targon:
Is it possible to add some commands into my Custom CSS that i use for Safari?

If so what code shall i add?

Cheers

Unless Im having a brain freeze, I don't think CSS can do that

Millennium · Jul 1, 2004, 09:55 AM

Originally posted by Targon:
Is it possible to add some commands into my Custom CSS that i use for Safari?

If so what code shall i add?

Unfortunately, there is no standard way to add commands into custom CSS, and Safari has not tried to implement its own method for this either.

Theoretically someone could make an XBL binding for Mozilla/Firefox/(maybe Camino since it wouldn't need XUL?) for this. Add a command for *::not(@target='_top') which used JavaScript to set the target back to _top. I have no clue on exactly how this would be done, but I know enough about XBL to know that this should be doable, at least in theory.

goose · Jul 1, 2004, 01:40 PM

Originally posted by akuma-x:
Yes it still does.

D'OH!

JHromadka · Jul 1, 2004, 02:20 PM

What would be nice is to have a preference in Safari so that new window links open in new tabs instead.

alex_kac · Jul 1, 2004, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by JHromadka:
What would be nice is to have a preference in Safari so that new window links open in new tabs instead.

Agreed. A nice web browser that uses the IE engine on the PC does that. I always prefered it.

lenox · Jul 1, 2004, 02:58 PM

If you have a mouse with 3 buttons (or a mousewheel), just 'middle-click' the link and it will open in the new tab, as opposed to a new window (or the same window/tab)

Dale Sorel · Jul 1, 2004, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by lenox:
If you have a mouse with 3 buttons (or a mousewheel), just 'middle-click' the link and it will open in the new tab, as opposed to a new window (or the same window/tab)

Or drag the link to the tab bar

nooon · Jul 1, 2004, 06:22 PM

Originally posted by JHromadka:
What would be nice is to have a preference in Safari so that new window links open in new tabs instead.

SAFT makes Safari do that.

Zimphire · Jul 1, 2004, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by Dale Sorel:
Or drag the link to the tab bar

or cmd click

goose · Jul 2, 2004, 10:54 AM

Also, does this preview add a "Back" option in the context menu? That is one thing that drives me crazy that the current Safari doesn't have it. I'm lazy and don't want to go all the way back to the toolbar to hit the back button or use the keyboard command.

Horsepoo!!! · Jul 2, 2004, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by goose:
Also, does this preview add a "Back" option in the context menu? That is one thing that drives me crazy that the current Safari doesn't have it. I'm lazy and don't want to go all the way back to the toolbar to hit the back button or use the keyboard command.

Yes it does...oh wait...no. Haha.

Horsepoo!!! · 11:10 AM

Originally posted by nforcer:
Used this benchmark for my tests.

Safari 1.2: 238.23 seconds (T1 time: 120.703 sec., T2 time: 3.259 sec., T3 time: 3.424 sec., T4 time: 47.776 sec., T5 time: 25.513 sec., T6 time: 9.499 sec., T7 time: 28.051 sec.)
Safari 1.3 dp1: 22.67 seconds (T1 time: 4.54 sec., T2 time: 2.502 sec., T3 time: 2.429 sec., T4 time: 4.549 sec., T5 time: 0.731 sec., T6 time: 7.136 sec., T7 time: 0.784 sec.)

An order of magnitude faster, and then some.

IGN, a site under Safari 1.2 that would take about 40 seconds on any page for me, is now usable again in Safari 1.3.

I'm just starting to have fun with it. I will post further impressions if they are significant, later.

Are you ger? The 6th, 7th, and 8th position was taken by someone with a Dual 2GHz using Safari (I can only suppose 1.3). Pretty impressive. Internet Explorer isn't there. Opera is the only browser that still beats Safari but who knows, maybe someone with a Dual 2.5GHz G5 next in the next month will blow past first place.

edit: never mind...you're not ger with the score you just mentionned.

You're closer to what has been posted recently...you got a 1GHz G4?

chabig · Jul 2, 2004, 11:32 AM

Originally posted by goose:
Do you happen to know if Safari still resizes the window the first time you go to a tabbed view?

In the Preferences, under Tabs, put a check next to "Always show tab bar" and it won't do that anymore.

Chris

Millennium · Jul 2, 2004, 12:03 PM

Question: was 1.3dp1 made available for ADC Online members, or only for Select/Premiere/WWDC? I'd be interested in trying it out, but I want to keep it legal.

scaught · Jul 2, 2004, 01:07 PM

Originally posted by jgcan:
Pirating software?? Software that I will get for free, boy you need to rethink what pirating software is well thinking man. If I don't mind using beta software, it doesn't take away anything from Apple. Again, you should read my first post, I did ask those interested to help, not the others like you. When something doesn't please you, just get over it and do your own business. Thanks ...

oh just go find it yourself.

daimoni · 12:38 PM

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Judge_Fire · Jul 2, 2004, 01:58 PM

Originally posted by daimoni:
ADC Online members can download it. I just did.

Huh, I can't see it, just "Java 1.4.2 Update 1 Developer Preview 3". I'm out of assets, is that it?

(Select dev)

J

cephalopod · Jul 2, 2004, 02:08 PM

Yeah, me too, I see nada. I'm a free member, are you a paying customer?

Millennium · Jul 2, 2004, 02:14 PM

Originally posted by daimoni:
ADC Online members can download it. I just did.

Where? I couldn't find it when I checked their site yesterday. I could have overlooked something, though.

Krypton · Jul 2, 2004, 02:35 PM

I would imagine you have to be a paying ADC member to download it, they only offer boring stuff for the freebie accounts

Millennium · Jul 2, 2004, 03:21 PM

Originally posted by Krypton:
I would imagine you have to be a paying ADC member to download it, they only offer boring stuff for the freebie accounts

Daimoni said he got it on his ADC-Online account.

jgcan · Jul 2, 2004, 03:36 PM

Originally posted by Millennium:
Daimoni said he got it on his ADC-Online account.

I have a paying (yes it is a low fee but ...) ADC student account and I can't see it neither, hence my post about getting it another way (I am a pirate you know).