[clebin]

Here's what we know about 10.1.5-10.2 so far.

If I've missed anything or messed anything up, send a S.A.E to the usual address. I almost feel like putting the PPP freeze fix in too as it was such an issue until so recently...

New features

Quartz Extreme - GPU hardware acceleration
Universal Access: Quartz 'zooming'
Universal Access: Read back text from all apps
Universal Access: Invert screen
Ink - global handwriting recognition
Finder: multithreading
Finder: Services
Finder: Spring-loaded folders
Finder: Open With.. contextual menu
Finder: Automatic thumbnail creation
Finder: Integrated search
Finder: SMB browsing
Finder: WebDAV/iDisk speed improvements
Finder: Set text size
Finder: Set label position to bottom or right
Finder: Show item info
Dock: removed pin-stripe background
Get Info window with collapsable panes
Python, fast CGI, TCL, Ruby
X Server: Server optimised JVM
X Server: Disk, print and email quotas
X Server: "headless" operation
X Server: Improved LDAP, AD, Kerberos support
X Server: Netinstall, Netboot
System Prefs: various panes renamed
Mouse shadow
Pulsating gumdrop of death pointer
Draggable minimised windows
SMB compatibility, bug-fixes
SMB Server
Printer sharing/networking with Win/Mac/Unix - CUPS
Quicktime 6: improved speed, efficiency
Quicktime 6: MPEG4 support
Genie effect window closing
Update Terminal.app
Improved scrolling
Mail.app: threading, stability
Mail.app: expanded filter criteria, use multiple filters
Mail.app: Exchange support
Mail.app: Merge mailboxes, use 1 mailbox for all mail
Mail.app: label emails
Mail.app: intelligent spam filter
Mail.app: start IM conversation in iChat
Mail.app: search over multiple mailboxes
New global Address Book with vCard, SMS, Bluetooth
Sherlock 3 - web services, channels
Java 1.4 - new functionality, improves performance on other platforms
Simple Finder for kids
Quartz rendering for Carbon Quickdraw apps
Universal Access improvements for disabled
Bluetooth support
Visual Eject key feedback
iChat - integrated AIM compatible instant messaging app
Quartz anti-aliasing for Carbon Quickdraw apps
Application icon on minimised windows
Improved GCC compiler for overall system performance
Other optimisations, bug-fixes
IPv6, IPSec
FreeBSD 4.4 base
Windows VPN compatibility
Improved Disk Copy app & CMM modules
Rendezvous - automatic device discovery on IP
Developers can use brushed metal look in Project Builder
iPhoto 1.1
New Digital Hub preferences
Preferences for enabling, configuring built-in Firewall

EDIT:
Added suggestions...

Nice!

[ 05-08-2002: Message edited by: clebin ]

[ 05-08-2002: Message edited by: clebin ]

[Mac_ntosh]

Developers can use brushed metal look in Project Builder

I am not doubting you but is this confirmed? If so, the world of Mac OS X is coming to an end as know it

[Scrod]

Originally posted by Mac_ntosh:
<STRONG>

I am not doubting you but is this confirmed? If so, the world of Mac OS X is coming to an end as know it </STRONG>

Unfortunately, yes. I only hope it's as easy to hack the app to get rid of it.

[Mac_ntosh]

Originally posted by Scrod:
<STRONG>

Unfortunately, yes. I only hope it's as easy to hack the app to get rid of it.</STRONG>

Why would Apple do something like this? I have never seen a time were Apple gets more positive feed back on brushed metal then negative. Steve's RDF?

Although all of the other enhancements look really really good, and though some of those are in 10.1.5, Jaguar looks like it will be worth paying for.

Just my 2�

[ 05-07-2002: Message edited by: Mac_ntosh ]

[kman42]

I didn't see Java 1.4 anywhere. Can confirm this?

I did see Python, TCL in one report. So you might want to add it. I saw on one of the Macsurfer links.

kman

[Mac_ntosh]

Mail.app: Exchange support

I am very curious how this will work because Mail does not have any calendat/scheduling features...how will you be able to see events?

[kman42]

Here's the link: http://www.macsonly.com/index.html#wwdc1

Here's a short quote (there's lots of other stuff):

Jaguar Server

Steve said Apple has been hard at work on Mac OS X Server and Jaguar will bring the following enhancements:

- Headless operation
- NetInstall, NetBoot
- OpenDirectory (LDAP)
- Server optimized JVM
- Disk, print and email quotas
- Python, fast CGI, TCL, Ruby

What's Ruby?

kman

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Originally posted by clebin:
<STRONG>Finder: Set label position to bottom or right</STRONG>

What is that?

[msuper69]

What????

No labels!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SkullMacPN]

Tack these onto your list:

Finder: New Get Info window. Collapsable panes rather than a popup menu. Expanded permissions options.
Finder: Forward button in addition to the back button in the toolbar

Dock: Icon badges on minimized windows.
Dock: (Unconfirmed) new background (no more stripes) and border. This could just be from the screens I saw on an already customized Jaguar preview.

System Prefs: "Screen" Saver" renamed "Screen Effects".
System Prefs: New "My Account" pane under the Personal heading.
System Prefs: "Users" renamed to "Accounts".
System Prefs: Digital Hub panes include "Burn", "Disks", "Music", "Photography", and "Video".

[Adam Betts]

Don't forget about those new features:

Mouse Shadow
Gumdrop "rainbow" ball

[kennethmac2000]

Originally posted by clebin:
<STRONG>Improved scrolling</STRONG>

Where did this come from? Who said we're going to get improved scrolling? Obviously improved scrolling is badly needed, but I've never heard this mentioned anywhere before now.

[LudwigVan123]

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
<STRONG>

What is that [i.e., labels on bottom or right]?</STRONG>

Folder and file names? Check out the photo at Spymac.

[dr. zoidberg]

Originally posted by clebin:
<STRONG>Here's what we know about 10.1.5-10.2 so far.
Update Terminal.app
</STRONG>

hmmm where did you get that? and what could be improved?
well, i hope that we can still make the terminal transparent in jaguar, otherwise i�ll keep a copy from the one bundled in 10.1.x

ah yes... they can fix that ghosting-text bug.... but STILL LET US HAVE IT TRANSPARENT!!!

i�m serious...cuz it simply rocks!!

[ 05-07-2002: Message edited by: dr. zoidberg ]

[ratlater]

Originally posted by dr. zoidberg:
<STRONG>

hmmm where did you get that? and what could be improved?
well, i hope that we can still make the terminal transparent in jaguar, otherwise i�ll keep a copy from the one bundled in 10.1.x

ah yes... they can fix that ghosting-text bug.... but STILL LET US HAVE IT TRANSPARENT!!!

i�m serious...cuz it simply rocks!!

[ 05-07-2002: Message edited by: dr. zoidberg ]</STRONG>

The terminal window used to demo Inkwell at the keynote was transparent, so yes the new terminal will still allow for our beloved transparency.

-matt

[Carnage Visors]

Originally posted by kman42:
<STRONG>Here's the link: http://www.macsonly.com/index.html#wwdc1

Here's a short quote (there's lots of other stuff):

Jaguar Server

Steve said Apple has been hard at work on Mac OS X Server and Jaguar will bring the following enhancements:

- Headless operation
- NetInstall, NetBoot
- OpenDirectory (LDAP)
- Server optimized JVM
- Disk, print and email quotas
- Python, fast CGI, TCL, Ruby

What's Ruby?

kman</STRONG>

Ruby is another scripting language like perl and python.


Benjamin

[mattcunnane]

Originally posted by kman42:
<STRONG>
What's Ruby?
</STRONG>

http://www.rubycentral.com/misc/intro.html

[moki]

Originally posted by LudwigVan123:
<STRONG>

Folder and file names? Check out the photo at Spymac.</STRONG>

hrm, weird. I wonder what Snapz Pro X is doing being displayed in the dock. Very strange, that shouldn't be happening...

[foamy]

hrm, weird. I wonder what Snapz Pro X is doing being displayed in the dock. Very strange, that shouldn't be happening...

Is that because Snapz Pro X doesn't run on "Jaguar" yet, thus pointing to the fake nature of the Spymac posts?


It seems that these Spymac wankers get a real kick out of people believing their hoaxes.

Have they ever posted something that isn't a hoax? (I don't visit their site often, so I don't know)

[Developer]

Originally posted by foamy:
<STRONG>
It seems that these Spymac wankers get a real kick out of people believing their hoaxes.

Have they ever posted something that isn't a hoax? (I don't visit their site often, so I don't know)</STRONG>

What? You don't trust this man?

[visitor12345]

Man! You guys are so paranoid.
The pictures are real. Other things I saw:

The Labels (bottom or up) just gives you the option of putting the name of the document or folder underneath or to the right (like list view)

The draggable minimized dock windows are still there also.

The dock background no longer has pinstripes

Sherlock no longer finds files in the harddrive. Command F opens a simple find (like in OS 8) And the integrated find on Finder windows searches the directory you are in (is not just a filter, like in iTunes)

[moki]

Originally posted by foamy:
<STRONG>

Is that because Snapz Pro X doesn't run on "Jaguar" yet, thus pointing to the fake nature of the Spymac posts?
</STRONG>

Well, Snapz Pro X's application isn't supposed to appear in the dock, even if it is running. It could just be a glitch in the developer version they were using -- who knows.

[gorgonzola]

Finder -- can show/hide icon or media previews. this is very nice for larger media files.

The new Inspector is pretty snazzy, I have to say...

[BuonRotto]

I'll bite, visitor12345. Any changes in the draggable minimized windows' behavior? The video I saw from Xeo or someone a while ago made it look a bit quirky. Of course, this is pre-alpha software, so it could be even more quirky now.

Does the developer seed have an option for where theDock icon badge is placed? I would hope if not, the icon stayed to one corner of the minimzed window so as to stay clear of the content. Does the badge follow the minimized window out of the Dock or just disappear at that poiont? How big are those draggable minimized windows outside the dock? 128 x 128 or do they stay the same size as the other Dock icons (sans magnification)?

Are the Dock's pop-ups able to handle drag-n-drop operations? If so, is it hierarchical (that is, can you drag an item over the icon, the list pops up and you can continue to move down into sub-folders)?

Any more iTunes-like Dock icons? What about the Finder -- file search? Is there an option to hide an app from its dock pop-up? Is there more than just the "Close" option for minimized windows' pop-ups?

And for God's sake, is there anything like labels for these poor souls?!

[ 05-07-2002: Message edited by: BuonRotto ]

[huwb]

If you look closer, Snapz Pro is not running (there is no arrow under its icon).

[diamondsw]

Originally posted by moki:
<STRONG>

Well, Snapz Pro X's application isn't supposed to appear in the dock, even if it is running. It could just be a glitch in the developer version they were using -- who knows.</STRONG>

It will show up in the dock if it's merely a shortcut to launch the program. No one ever said it was running at all. I assume there's nothing preventing someone from placing such a vital utility in the dock for quick use.

[barbarian]

And the integrated find on Finder windows searches the directory you are in (is not just a filter, like in iTunes)

Could you explain? If only the current directory is searched, then it seems like it would sort of be acting like a filter. If it is a real search then it would seem to search outside the current directory. Any clarification on how this works?

[moki]

Originally posted by huwb:
<STRONG>If you look closer, Snapz Pro is not running (there is no arrow under its icon).</STRONG>

doh! ...and now the world realizes why I'm in the software biz, and not a detective...

[clebin]

Thanks for the suggestions. I added them to the list and hopefully we'll see some more as people play with 10.2. Some were already there, but under slightly different names.

I wasn't sure whether "headless" operation simply refers to NetInstall/NetBoot but I've given it its own line. Does anyone know?

Chris

[Zoro]

Originally posted by clebin:
<STRONG>I wasn't sure whether "headless" operation simply refers to NetInstall/NetBoot but I've given it its own line. Does anyone know?</STRONG>

headless means that it can run without a display attached.

[havannas]

Originally posted by Mac_ntosh:
<STRONG>
Why would Apple do something like this? I have never seen a time were Apple gets more positive feed back on brushed metal then negative. Steve's RDF?
</STRONG>

It's not like developers can't use metal right now if they wanted too.

Apple's just making it easier if they have already chosen a metal interface.

Here's an app I was working on:

[clebin]

Added Firewall preferences to the list.

The macthis.org review suggests that it's in, and I have to say - another great feature! And another kick in the teeth for XP - the personal firewall was supposedly one of the best new features, and it's just a footnote on OS X.

Unfortunately, the server's down so we can't read the rest of the review..

Chris

[CharlesS]

Originally posted by havannas:
<STRONG>


It's not like developers can't use metal right now if they wanted too.

Apple's just making it easier if they have already chosen a metal interface.

Here's an app I was working on:

</STRONG>

How do you do that?

[moki]

Originally posted by CharlesS:
<STRONG>

How do you do that?</STRONG>

It looks like just a background picture to me...

[diamondsw]

A few things not noted:

Power management for portables is finally here! Energy Saver now supports profiles for "battery" and "power adapter"! No sign of processor cycling and such on my laptop.

Mail can run an AppleScript as result of a filter - that opens the door for *so* much power. I have friends who will switch to the Mac for just that feature (they have *lots* of e-mail to deal with).

Bugs with column sizes not "sticking" and previews not always appearing look like they're fixed.

Bugs with type-selecting items in Carbon open/save windows (try GraphicConverter, for instance) are NOT fixed as of yet.

Spring loaded folders has one annoying quirk - it won't let you obscure the source of a spring load in column view. So, if you drag a folder from /MyVolume/MyFolder/MyItem to /MyVolume/MyDocFolder/Etc, it won't work. When you try to spring open "MyDocFolder", it will open a new window, since opening a new column would obscure /MyVolume/MyFolder". Annoying. But hey, we have the thing finally!

[Sam Venning]

Finder: Print Window ??????????

Please.... I hope Apple puts back "Finder: Print Window". Why did Apple drop this feature (present in System 6/7/8/9)? Can anyone confirm this please? Is it missing from MacOS 10.2 (Jaguar)?

[ 05-13-2002: Message edited by: Sam Venning ]

[xbot]

I had a great idea when working and I'd like to see this included in a future version.

Me and a mate were working on the same computer. You know how you'd always be swapping the mouse so each of you could do stuff. Well, we got tired of this and used two mice. This is where the idea comes.

Mulitiple cursors!

Each mouse plugged into the computer has it's own cursor and functions independently of each other. For example, if I wanted to bring up a contextual menu on a file and my mate wanted to copy (drag and drop) a file somewhere else, we could do them at the same time!

This sort of feature, when extended would bring a truly unique OS.

If we could plug two users to a computer, two monitors two keyboards etc and they could both work using the same machine. Obviously, for really graphics intensive games, this wouldn't work (but for less intensive games, we could have mutiplayer on one computer). But the focus of this is for the office and education. One computer, two (or more) users with that many monitors and stuff to support: true multiple users. If you're word processing or somthing, this'll do fine.

A new mac: two LCD's back to back with the CPU in between.

What do ya think?

[mac freak]

Originally posted by clebin:
<STRONG>Quartz anti-aliasing for Carbon Quickdraw apps</STRONG>

Do my eyes deceive me?! So you mean IE no longer looks like total sh*t compared to Omniweb and Chimera?

That would be Quite Nice!

[kennethmac2000]

Originally posted by clebin:
<STRONG>Added Firewall preferences to the list.

The macthis.org review suggests that it's in, and I have to say - another great feature! And another kick in the teeth for XP - the personal firewall was supposedly one of the best new features, and </STRONG>

But Windows has had Internet Connection Sharing since the days of Windows 98 and this STILL doesn't appear to be in Mac OS X! This is a MAJOR flaw.

[Todd Madson]

Someone asked what Ruby is. Ruby is a galactic gumshoe. A good one.
Sorry, couldn't resist - inside ZBS joke.

[ReefHobbyist]

Originally posted by clebin:
<STRONG>Printer sharing/networking with Win/Mac/Unix - CUPS
</STRONG>

Can you tell me if this includes USB Printer Sharing?

[Guy Incognito]

Originally posted by xbot:
<STRONG>I had a great idea when working and I'd like to see this included in a future version.

Me and a mate were working on the same computer. You know how you'd always be swapping the mouse so each of you could do stuff. Well, we got tired of this and used two mice. This is where the idea comes.

Mulitiple cursors!

Each mouse plugged into the computer has it's own cursor and functions independently of each other. For example, if I wanted to bring up a contextual menu on a file and my mate wanted to copy (drag and drop) a file somewhere else, we could do them at the same time!

This sort of feature, when extended would bring a truly unique OS.

If we could plug two users to a computer, two monitors two keyboards etc and they could both work using the same machine. Obviously, for really graphics intensive games, this wouldn't work (but for less intensive games, we could have mutiplayer on one computer). But the focus of this is for the office and education. One computer, two (or more) users with that many monitors and stuff to support: true multiple users. If you're word processing or somthing, this'll do fine.

A new mac: two LCD's back to back with the CPU in between.

What do ya think?</STRONG>

I also thought about these functionalities before...and I agree completely with everything you said.

[Sharky K.]

you guys forgot:
- spell checking for more languages
- mouse shadow disappears when mouse click effects something directly. (most of the time, has some bugs though)
- cocoa toolbars have option for small icons (is ugly like hell though)

[CharlesS]

Originally posted by kennethmac2000:
<STRONG>

But Windows has had Internet Connection Sharing since the days of Windows 98 and this STILL doesn't appear to be in Mac OS X! This is a MAJOR flaw. </STRONG>

Sure it does. OS X has a built-in NAT router. You can use BrickHouse to configure it.

[gorgonzola]

Originally posted by ReefHobbyist:
<STRONG>Can you tell me if this includes USB Printer Sharing?</STRONG>

Yes it does.

Originally posted by mac freak:
<STRONG>Do my eyes deceive me?! So you mean IE no longer looks like total sh*t compared to Omniweb and Chimera?

That would be Quite Nice!</STRONG>

Correct. It antialiases. So does Word & co.