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ksuther · Jun 25, 2002, 08:52 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by sambeau:
What about this:

<img src="http://www.sambeau.com/guff/spid_aqua.gif" alt=" - " />

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>LOL! If you guys don't like the new icon that much, why don't you just put the old one back?

CaseCom · Jun 25, 2002, 09:22 AM

<img src="http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/homepage/2004touareg.jpg" alt=" - " />

<a href="http://www.edmunds.com" target="_blank">Edmunds.com</a>

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Rex · Jun 25, 2002, 09:22 AM

Is this all just about the new icon????
Man you have a lot of spare time in your hands...

Spirit_VW · Jun 25, 2002, 12:51 PM

So, Adam, when can we see these wonderful new icons in .icns format (gotta make them so they work with the Updated Bookmarks thing after all)?

OAW · Jun 25, 2002, 01:10 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Adam Betts:
Here's just some ideas:

<img src="http://homepage.mac.com/adambetts/OWWhite.jpg" alt=" - " /> <img src="http://homepage.mac.com/adambetts/OWWeb.jpg" alt=" - " /> <img src="http://homepage.mac.com/adambetts/OWDarkBlue.jpg" alt=" - " /><hr /></blockquote>Adam,

Nice icons! Personally, I like the the first one and the second one.

OAW

el_humpo · Jun 25, 2002, 01:31 PM

The new icon gets a thumbs up from me, as does the whole browser. Finally final! My payment will be arriving shortly, Omni guys.

MrBS · Jun 25, 2002, 07:47 PM

Truth be told, the new icon has grown on me. Still think the graphite version would look cool. But this one's pretty good once you get used to it. It just annoys me now when some other aquasphere icons are in the doc, like navigator or watson. Being easily confused as I am I sometimes reach for the old-style icon. But luckily those apps are rarely if ever open on my comp.
~BS

waffffffle · Jun 25, 2002, 09:25 PM

What exactly are Apple's rules about blue spheres? How can they define what is "Aqua" and what isn't? A transparent blue sphere is any different than any other kind of sphere? That makes no sense to me. Are these guidelines published anywhere?

Also, I'd really like to know if Apple actually made a call over to the OmniGroup and told them to change the icon. That's just wrong.

Rickster · Jun 25, 2002, 09:36 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Adam Betts:
<img src="http://homepage.mac.com/adambetts/OWMagnify.jpg" alt=" - " /><hr /></blockquote>Okay, this was so hilarious I have to bring it up here... one of our engineers saw this icon and said, "Can't you just hear those poor New Englanders sizzling away?"

JLL · Jun 26, 2002, 05:51 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Rickster:
[QUOTE]Okay, this was so hilarious I have to bring it up here... one of our engineers saw this icon and said, "Can't you just hear those poor New Englanders sizzling away?"

<hr /></blockquote>LOL

Krypton · Jun 26, 2002, 07:23 AM

Now I know all of these Aqua spheres have always looked cool, but I feel that the OmniWeb icon has never really matched the rest of the omni apps.

So, I came up with this concept drawing:
<img src="http://homepage.mac.com/robertcurtis/other/omniicon.jpg" alt=" - " />

I'm no photoshop expert, so I was wondering whether anyone would like to have a go at turning my idea into a nice icon?

Adam Betts · Jun 26, 2002, 02:02 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Krypton:
Now I know all of these Aqua spheres have always looked cool, but I feel that the OmniWeb icon has never really matched the rest of the omni apps.

So, I came up with this concept drawing:
<snip>

I'm no photoshop expert, so I was wondering whether anyone would like to have a go at turning my idea into a nice icon?

<hr /></blockquote>Hmm.. I'm not sure what you are trying to do. Your idea is to put the window of OmniWeb into the icon?

Sharky K. · Jun 26, 2002, 03:19 PM

like Quicktime 6 icon...

Developer · Jun 26, 2002, 03:29 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Adam Betts:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Krypton:
Now I know all of these Aqua spheres have always looked cool, but I feel that the OmniWeb icon has never really matched the rest of the omni apps.

So, I came up with this concept drawing:

<img src="http://homepage.mac.com/robertcurtis/other/omniicon.jpg" alt=" - " />

I'm no photoshop expert, so I was wondering whether anyone would like to have a go at turning my idea into a nice icon?

<hr /></blockquote>Hmm.. I'm not sure what you are trying to do. Your idea is to put the window of OmniWeb into the icon?<hr /></blockquote>It's what I suggested (almost). A rotated stack of documents plus a tool (not yet in Krypton's sketch).

That's what the Aqua guidelines require for an application icon. Prototypes are TextEdit, AppleWorks, Preview, Internet Connect, iPhoto, and ImageCapture.

I think such an icon could also work for a web browser. We don't have to stick with a globe for all times, only because Mosaic used it.

[ 06-26-2002, 03:31 PM: Message edited by: Developer ]

Krypton · Jun 26, 2002, 03:46 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />It's what I suggested (almost). A rotated stack of documents plus a tool (not yet in Krypton's sketch).
<hr /></blockquote>Yes that was what I meant - just with my tools available I couldn't get a stack of windows to look right, and have them offset at an angle.

I wanted to put the Omni logo in the top left corner like the other Omni apps, but it obscured the browser controls.

Perhaps the tool in the bottom could be the original globe, or a compass, or a sextant - to emphasise the navigating part.

Sharky K. · Jun 26, 2002, 03:49 PM

what about this one?:
<img src="http://homepage.mac.com/bvdbiezen/.Pictures/icons/sharkysomniicon.jpg" alt=" - " />

Guy Incognito · Jun 26, 2002, 04:10 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Sharky K.:
what about this one?:
<img src="http://homepage.mac.com/bvdbiezen/.Pictures/icons/sharkysomniicon.jpg" alt=" - " /><hr /></blockquote>I like it!

MrBS · Jun 26, 2002, 04:14 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Guy Incognito:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Sharky K.:
what about this one?:
<img src="http://homepage.mac.com/bvdbiezen/.Pictures/icons/sharkysomniicon.jpg" alt=" - " /><hr /></blockquote>I like it!<hr /></blockquote>Pretty good, if not dark and sinister. I think they need to stick with the more cheerful, cartoonish one they have now. If they have a sinister icon AND a name like "OmniGroup" they're going to be attracting too much attention from the secret agents around the world.
~BS

Sharky K. · Jun 26, 2002, 04:15 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Guy Incognito:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Sharky K.:
what about this one?:
<img src="http://homepage.mac.com/bvdbiezen/.Pictures/icons/sharkysomniicon.jpg" alt=" - " /><hr /></blockquote>I like it!<hr /></blockquote>thanx. I can make it easily vector based so Omni can print it nice on there boxes

I will try a lighter blue (from the back/forward etc.. toolbar icons)

Developer · Jun 26, 2002, 04:19 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Krypton:
Yes that was what I meant - just with my tools available I couldn't get a stack of windows to look right, and have them offset at an angle.

I wanted to put the Omni logo in the top left corner like the other Omni apps, but it obscured the browser controls.

Perhaps the tool in the bottom could be the original globe, or a compass, or a sextant - to emphasise the navigating part.

<hr /></blockquote>Yes! I think a sextant could look great if done by someone with much more talent than I have (Adam, would you?). Also note, that the documents don't need to look like the browser windows with title bar and controls. They could also look similar to the OmniWeb html files with text or HTML source and a globe (for the WWW part). Just stacked and rotated and without the dog ear.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Sharky K.:
what about this one?:
<img src="http://homepage.mac.com/bvdbiezen/.Pictures/icons/sharkysomniicon.jpg" alt=" - " /><hr /></blockquote>Gorgeous!

CharlesS · Jun 26, 2002, 04:27 PM

Argh! I just got the crash-on-closing-window bug with 4.1 final.

Jeez, weren't the 160 crash catcher reports that I have sent in to date enough??!

Also, the download window *still* doesn't get focus when it pops up in front of other windows, so command-W still closes the window I was browsing in. That's terribly annoying, and can probably be fixed simply by replacing a call to orderFront: with makeKeyAndOrderFront: .

OAW · Jun 26, 2002, 05:09 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Sharky K.:
what about this one?:
<img src="http://homepage.mac.com/bvdbiezen/.Pictures/icons/sharkysomniicon.jpg" alt=" - " /><hr /></blockquote>Now that's a cool logo! All you need to do now is make a splash page with the "MNI" letters matching either the light or dark shade of blue.

OAW

netgo · Jun 26, 2002, 05:25 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Sharky K.:
what about this one?:
<img src="http://homepage.mac.com/bvdbiezen/.Pictures/icons/sharkysomniicon.jpg" alt=" - " /><hr /></blockquote>Great Icon. But what about using Brushed metal look texture like iApps? Brushed metal ball~

Jerommeke · Jun 26, 2002, 05:29 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by CharlesS:
Argh! I just got the crash-on-closing-window bug with 4.1 final.

Jeez, weren't the 160 crash catcher reports that I have sent in to date enough??!

Also, the download window *still* doesn't get focus when it pops up in front of other windows, so command-W still closes the window I was browsing in. That's terribly annoying, and can probably be fixed simply by replacing a call to orderFront: with makeKeyAndOrderFront: .<hr /></blockquote>lemme guess: it crashed visiting a site with the netscape bar in it...

chris v · Jun 26, 2002, 05:35 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Sharky K.:
what about this one?:
<img src="http://homepage.mac.com/bvdbiezen/.Pictures/icons/sharkysomniicon.jpg" alt=" - " /><hr /></blockquote>Hey! That's Afro-centric!

Just kidding-- I love it. Post it somewhere, huh?

CV

Adam Betts · Jun 26, 2002, 05:47 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Developer:
Yes! I think a sextant could look great if done by someone with much more talent than I have (Adam, would you?). Also note, that the documents don't need to look like the browser windows with title bar and controls. They could also look similar to the OmniWeb html files with text or HTML source and a globe (for the WWW part). Just stacked and rotated and without the dog ear.<hr /></blockquote>I think sextant is over too detailed to be in the dock. Also I'm sure that most people doesn't even know what sextant is for. I like the compass idea but Chimera already took that idea.

I'm beginning to think you're right... We need something else than the globe icon because anyone can do it. Something more original would be cool.

Sharky K. · Jun 26, 2002, 05:47 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by chris v:
Hey! That's Afro-centric!

Just kidding-- I love it. Post it somewhere, huh?

CV[/qb]<hr /></blockquote>I am not a big fan of america but besides that I think the europe + africa side is better looking

[ 06-26-2002, 06:28 PM: Message edited by: Sharky K. ]

Spirit_VW · Jun 26, 2002, 06:00 PM

[ 06-26-2002, 06:07 PM: Message edited by: Spirit_VW ]

lngtones · Jun 26, 2002, 08:15 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Developer:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Adam Betts:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Krypton:
Now I know all of these Aqua spheres have always looked cool, but I feel that the OmniWeb icon has never really matched the rest of the omni apps.

So, I came up with this concept drawing:

<img src="http://homepage.mac.com/robertcurtis/other/omniicon.jpg" alt=" - " />

I'm no photoshop expert, so I was wondering whether anyone would like to have a go at turning my idea into a nice icon?

<hr /></blockquote>Hmm.. I'm not sure what you are trying to do. Your idea is to put the window of OmniWeb into the icon?<hr /></blockquote>It's what I suggested (almost). A rotated stack of documents plus a tool (not yet in Krypton's sketch).

That's what the Aqua guidelines require for an application icon. Prototypes are TextEdit, AppleWorks, Preview, Internet Connect, iPhoto, and ImageCapture.

I think such an icon could also work for a web browser. We don't have to stick with a globe for all times, only because Mosaic used it.<hr /></blockquote>Isn't there also a guideline to make the icon look like the window of the application?

Hence, Quictime, Terminal, Calculator, Clock, Console(sort of), Process Viewer(sort of)

EDIT: Nevermind, i went and re-read the guidelines and that kind of icon is for utilities

[ 06-26-2002, 08:28 PM: Message edited by: lngtones ]

Krypton · Jun 27, 2002, 07:33 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Adam Betts:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Developer:
Yes! I think a sextant could look great if done by someone with much more talent than I have (Adam, would you?). Also note, that the documents don't need to look like the browser windows with title bar and controls. They could also look similar to the OmniWeb html files with text or HTML source and a globe (for the WWW part). Just stacked and rotated and without the dog ear.<hr /></blockquote>I think sextant is over too detailed to be in the dock. Also I'm sure that most people doesn't even know what sextant is for. I like the compass idea but Chimera already took that idea.

I'm beginning to think you're right... We need something else than the globe icon because anyone can do it. Something more original would be cool.<hr /></blockquote>Sorry, I didn't mean a compass as in a magnetic one - I meant as in a drawing compass, in reference to the way people had to chart their way across maps of the world.

Maybe, the documents could be flattened maps of the world - then having the compass to plot lines across them would make more sense <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Krypton · Jun 27, 2002, 09:14 AM

Krypton's OmniWeb icon Concept 2
This picture (although very rough) is a much more accurate representation of what I was trying to illustrate with the first picture. I know the colours aren't great, but these were the most detailed pictures I could find.

<img src="http://homepage.mac.com/robertcurtis/other/omniicon2.jpg" alt=" - " />

Anyone willing to take it further?

JKT · Jun 27, 2002, 10:19 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by chris v:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Sharky K.:
what about this one?:
<img src="http://homepage.mac.com/bvdbiezen/.Pictures/icons/sharkysomniicon.jpg" alt=" - " /><hr /></blockquote>Hey! That's Afro-centric!

Just kidding-- I love it. Post it somewhere, huh?

CV<hr /></blockquote>Apart from Australasia maybe (it's too dark to see in the bottom rh area) it also includes all the continents. Much more global...

mrwalker · Jun 27, 2002, 10:22 AM

Nevermind the icon (which is ugly); omniweb doesn't do iframes <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />

Developer · Jun 27, 2002, 05:49 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Krypton:
Krypton's OmniWeb icon Concept 2
This picture (although very rough) is a much more accurate representation of what I was trying to illustrate with the first picture. I know the colours aren't great, but these were the most detailed pictures I could find.

<img src="http://homepage.mac.com/robertcurtis/other/omniicon2.jpg" alt=" - " />

Anyone willing to take it further?

<hr /></blockquote>Yes, that's exactly what I would have proposed for a browser icon. In fact I like the cards as documents. Maybe add some lines between the continents to make them more look like 'net'?

It needs some artistic overwork but the basic concept is quite good.

Krypton · Jun 28, 2002, 05:02 AM

I found a really cool picture of a spherical (navigation) compass, so I worked that into my sketch instead. I remember having one many years ago, only for all the liquid to leak out

cpac · Jun 28, 2002, 11:00 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mrwalker:
Nevermind the icon (which is ugly); omniweb doesn't do iframes

<hr /></blockquote>Known issue.

fix in 5.0 has been promised.

I like the rotated document icons, but I agree that the docs need to have something that indicates more of a network, and less the world.

Perhaps pictures of a spider web, and then a sextant/compass?

This could really be a quick modification of the Preview icon, e.g.