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Spaztik · 03:05 PM

Could this be? Maybe 7B85 wasn't really the GM afterall!

http://www.spymac.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=56055

daydreamer · Oct 5, 2003, 02:44 PM

lol, I think this is the real fake one, spymac kiddos

OpenStep · Oct 5, 2003, 02:46 PM

here we go again

addiecool · Oct 5, 2003, 02:51 PM

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

Laughed so much that I can cry

nforcer · Oct 5, 2003, 03:00 PM

All of this "this build is GM" "no this one is" is a bunch of crap. When Apple declares a GM, the 10.3 release date will be soon to follow.

Personally, I don't think a GM has been declared at all. Just release candidates. And along the line someone misinterpreted "release candidate" as "golden master", and from there things blew out of proportion, and now no one knows for sure anymore. That's my theory anyway. And I wouldn't be surprised to see another supposed "GM" show up in the near future.

Another thing to consider is that David Hyatt posted about some important Safari/Webcore changes he made on his weblog today. Assuming 7B85 or 7B90 is in fact the GM, and has already gone into duplication, then the version of Safari he is talking about is a post-10.3 version. I think it would be unusual to ship a version of Safari with 10.3, and then an important update to that particular application not too far after release. And if he is not working on a version of Safari or Webcore intended for after the 10.3 release, then he is working on a version intended for the 10.3 release, which means nothing is GM yet.

Of course, this is all speculation considering past events and looking at what I know. And like others who try and figure out rumors, I'm probably wrong. But I think considering this new info in the way I have makes much more sense. But that's just me. And now I am just talking to myself. Incoherently.

Moose · Oct 5, 2003, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by nforcer:
All of this "this build is GM" "no this one is" is a bunch of crap. When Apple declares a GM, the 10.3 release date will be soon to follow.

Personally, I don't think a GM has been declared at all. Just release candidates. And along the line someone misinterpreted "release candidate" as "golden master", and from there things blew out of proportion, and now no one knows for sure anymore. That's my theory anyway. And I wouldn't be surprised to see another supposed "GM" show up in the near future.

Let's play a game called "Who am I going to listen to?"

Piracy said that 4K78 was Cheetah GM. 4K78 was Cheetah GM. Piracy said that 5G64 was Puma GM. 5G64 was Puma GM. Piracy said that 6C115 was Jaguar GM. 6C115 was Jaguar GM.

Countless naysayers argued with piracy until both of them were blue in the face.

Piracy said that 7B85 is Panther GM. Countless naysayers are saying it isn't.

Who am I going to listen to?

Allow me to reiterate:

7B85 is GM.

iDriveX · Oct 5, 2003, 03:15 PM

Originally posted by Moose:
Let's play a game called "Who am I going to listen to?"

Piracy said that 4K78 was Cheetah GM. 4K78 was Cheetah GM. Piracy said that 5G64 was Puma GM. 5G64 was Puma GM. Piracy said that 6C115 was Jaguar GM. 6C115 was Jaguar GM.

Countless naysayers argued with piracy until both of them were blue in the face.

Piracy said that 7B85 is Panther GM. Countless naysayers are saying it isn't.

Who am I going to listen to?

Allow me to reiterate:

7B85 is GM.

Don't forget about little ol me!

Moose · Oct 5, 2003, 03:22 PM

Originally posted by iDriveX:
Don't forget about little ol me!

Nothing against you or anything, but you're not a veteran of the bloody 4K78 war.

Xeo · Oct 5, 2003, 03:25 PM

I believe b85 is GM. All the reliable sources have agreed on this.

Hash · Oct 5, 2003, 03:28 PM

Could those sources be verified? Or `free your mind` is the only proof so far?

Moose · Oct 5, 2003, 03:34 PM

Originally posted by Hash:
Could those sources be verified? Or `free your mind` is the only proof so far?

In this game, it's all about trust.

Look up a few posts for my game of "Who am I going to listen to?"

Hash · Oct 5, 2003, 03:36 PM

yeah, a game

Spaztik · Oct 5, 2003, 03:40 PM

I'm not trying to start a game or war or whatever. I am just posting what I thought was something that needed to be shown to all of you. Geeze, I'm just trying to help out.

If you don't want to believe it, fine. It doesn't bother me any. I don't even know if I am buying it, but I wanted it out there.

If all you people are convinced that 7B85 is the GM, then go right ahead and do that... I'm just trying to give some news. That's all.

Don't shoot the messenger.

Pheed · Oct 5, 2003, 03:41 PM

it is a game. There is absolutely nothing at stake here and nobody is on trial! Nobody has to prove anything, and nothing will be "verified" until it's released. You can choose who to believe, but that's all.

Originally posted by Hash:
yeah, a game

Hash · Oct 5, 2003, 03:43 PM

Originally posted by Pheed:
it is a game. There is absolutely nothing at stake here and nobody is on trial! Nobody has to prove anything, and nothing will be "verified" until it's released. You can choose who to believe, but that's all.

is it the ultimate proof of 7b85 being GM?

drnkn_stylz · Oct 5, 2003, 06:49 PM

Soo.. does anyone here have 7B85 installed? If so, please email me and let me know how you like it! I want to know if I should put some money away for this or not.

mrbiiggy2 · Oct 6, 2003, 01:34 AM

7B85 is great, you all need to STFU.

Robo-X · Oct 6, 2003, 07:23 AM

There are no reliable sources that claim 7B85 is the GM. Macrumors, Appleinsider, SpyMac and TheRegister do not count as reliable sources. I trust Baghdad Bob more than those sites. The only thing that we all can agree on is that 7B85 is a final candidate.

//Rob

piracy · Oct 6, 2003, 08:55 AM

Originally posted by Robo-X:
There are no reliable sources that claim 7B85 is the GM. Macrumors, Appleinsider, SpyMac and TheRegister do not count as reliable sources. I trust Baghdad Bob more than those sites. The only thing that we all can agree on is that 7B85 is a final candidate.

//Rob

Yes, 7B85 was a final candidate.

It is also GM. You'll see soon enough.

bracken · Oct 6, 2003, 09:09 AM

I'm a believer, piracy is my prophet.

Gul Banana · Oct 6, 2003, 09:23 AM

Originally posted by piracy:
Yes, 7B85 was a final candidate.

It is also GM. You'll see soon enough.

According to precedent, this case is now closed.

Agasthya · Oct 6, 2003, 09:48 AM

Originally posted by Moose:
Nothing against you or anything, but you're not a veteran of the bloody 4K78 war.

haha, the best part of that war was when people thought that the devs had received a different 4k78 with the "make OS X slow" (aka debug code

) removed.

heh, good times.

Sarc · Oct 6, 2003, 09:59 AM

Originally posted by Agasthya:
haha, the best part of that war was when people thought that the devs had received a different 4k78 with the "make OS X slow" (aka debug code ) removed.

heh, good times.

I remember when someone said his "friend, the apple engineer " told him that they had the public beta, running fast as hell, on a Cube

now those where the days

cSurfr · Oct 6, 2003, 10:23 AM

Originally posted by Sarc:
I remember when someone said his "friend, the apple engineer " told him that they had the public beta, running fast as hell, on a Cube

now those where the days

i had a cube and i don't recall anything running fast as hell on it. Maybe OS 9..but thats all.

cs

Peabo · Oct 6, 2003, 11:34 AM

what was even funnier was macosx.org doing 2 reviews of 10.0: One for 4k78 with the debug code still in, and one for the GM of 4k78 without the debug code!

Hash · Oct 6, 2003, 11:39 AM

I remember Kosmo claiming that 10.0 was faster than 9 or something like this on G4 400 or 500

MacGorilla · Oct 6, 2003, 12:10 PM

Does this really matter? When the release date is announced is all that matters.

JB72 · Oct 6, 2003, 12:13 PM

Originally posted by Moose:
Nothing against you or anything, but you're not a veteran of the bloody 4K78 war.

lol

I survived the 4k78/debug code war and all I got was this stupid MacNN t-shirt.

absmiths · Oct 6, 2003, 12:28 PM

Originally posted by JB72:
lol

I survived the 4k78/debug code war and all I got was this stupid MacNN t-shirt.

I want one!

MacGorilla · Oct 6, 2003, 04:42 PM

Originally posted by JB72:
lol

I survived the 4k78/debug code war and all I got was this stupid MacNN t-shirt.

oh man! I had that memory blocked out....Not again!

Applefreak01 · Oct 6, 2003, 04:45 PM

Ok I'm excited about Panther as much as the next person... but who cares if B85 or B90 is GM. Either way we'll all get it this month or early Nov. 10.2.8 is running ok for me and I could wait another month for Panther if I had to.

And for the people complaining about paying full price after buying a new Mac...I would rather pay full price for Panther than some crappy OS from MS. You don't have to get Panther you know...and wait until Apple OFFICALLY announces Panther's ship date and their upgrade policy.

soul searching · Oct 6, 2003, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by Hash:
I remember Kosmo claiming that 10.0 was faster than 9 or something like this on G4 400 or 500

This was before my MacNN days but I do remember reading about wincent.org's encrypted review of 10.0. Funny stuff

.

Agasthya · Oct 6, 2003, 06:48 PM

Originally posted by soul searching:
This was before my MacNN days but I do remember reading about wincent.org's encrypted review of 10.0. Funny stuff .

Yeah people didn't believe that he had a boxed copy of 10.0 and for whatever reason he didn't want to post the review outright online...

He was right though when he said it was slow as ****.

soul searching · Oct 6, 2003, 07:11 PM

Originally posted by Agasthya:
Yeah people didn't believe that he had a boxed copy of 10.0 and for whatever reason he didn't want to post the review outright online...

He was right though when he said it was slow as ****.

IIRC, he didn't want to steal steve's thunder.

hyteckit · Oct 6, 2003, 07:41 PM

Originally posted by Sarc:
I remember when someone said his "friend, the apple engineer " told him that they had the public beta, running fast as hell, on a Cube

now those where the days

I did own a cube and yes, I agree with the apple engineer. The early version of MacOS X did run fast as hell on the cube. I just don't know what happen when MacOS X was first released though. :-D

keston · Oct 6, 2003, 10:04 PM

The first incarnations of OSX didn't do much of anything useful really. I think once they started adding features and making it do thing besides starting up and browsing finder windows, it slowed down. Features take resources... you all got the features, and capabilities you were crying for, now it runs slower... and of course, now u complain.

trusted_content · Oct 7, 2003, 02:30 AM

Hehe... I know this thread was a joke.

But I'll just chime in with:

"I've spoken to one Apple employee. He confirmed that build 85 was GM. Would I trust him? Yes. Do you have any reason to trust me? Not especially, but I assure you."

theolein · Oct 7, 2003, 05:09 AM

I believe that GM makes cars.

piracy · Oct 7, 2003, 09:15 AM

Originally posted by theolein:
I believe that GM makes cars.

Real Panther GM news:

http://www.blonnet.com/2002/08/13/st...1302800100.htm

Mithras · Oct 7, 2003, 09:24 AM

Originally posted by piracy:
Real Panther GM news:

http://www.blonnet.com/2002/08/13/st...1302800100.htm

Fantastic! Where did you find that?
December 2003, eh?

Simon Mundy · Oct 7, 2003, 10:05 AM

Mmmmm. Boxy cars... Nice...

solbo · Oct 7, 2003, 10:21 AM

Ugh, I seriously doubt 7B85 is GM, it is buggy as hell still. The Finder has issues all over the place. The setup assistant doesn't work right. The list goes on. If they do release it as final then they better have 10.3.1 waiting for people when they get home from the store with their shiny new Panther box. But hey, after the 10.2.8 debacle I wouldn't put it past them at this point, someone at Apple is getting lazy.

piracy · Oct 7, 2003, 11:39 AM

Originally posted by solbo:
Ugh, I seriously doubt 7B85 is GM, it is buggy as hell still. The Finder has issues all over the place. The setup assistant doesn't work right. The list goes on. If they do release it as final then they better have 10.3.1 waiting for people when they get home from the store with their shiny new Panther box. But hey, after the 10.2.8 debacle I wouldn't put it past them at this point, someone at Apple is getting lazy.

7B85 is 10.3 GM.

It's not "buggy as hell".

No one at Apple is "getting lazy".

The Finder does not have "issues all over the place".

The Setup Assistant works just fine.

10.3 is a very solid initial release of 10.3.x. All releases will have bugs, cosmetic issues, etc., to some degree. Every effort is made to eliminate or minimize these before a decision to freeze code - linked with myriad other concerns - is made.

10.2.8 was hardle a "debacle". Only Power Mac G4 (Dual Gigabit) dual processor models were affected, and only on 10BaseT ethernet at that. The battery issue was only inaccurate reporting, NOT a reduction in battery life, regardless of what anyone says.

You do a good job of throwing around baseless assertions and showcasing your ignorance.

solbo · Oct 7, 2003, 01:48 PM

Wow, you act like I just insulted your mom or something. Maybe you need to lay off the caffeine and the RDF.

The Finder is still buggy, artifacts, delayed display updates when you move things, etc.

The setup assistant pops up a drop down menu over top of the next pane as you proceed from the Time setup to the next screen. Hardly a show stopper but still annoying. If you proceed past the user setup screen and try and go back, it goes back to the registration screen instead, or maybe this is supposed to be a feature?

There are more things than I have time to list, but yes 7B85 is still buggy, and yes you are overly defense about something like wether or not an OS build is the final or not.

gorgonzola · Oct 7, 2003, 03:44 PM

They're likely already working on 10.3.1 which is likely in the 7Cxx build range. I personally have little doubt that 7B85 is GM, but I really don't understand why people are flipping out about this.

It doesn't matter what build is GM and what isn't, since you will get whatever build is GM when you go to the store and buy it.

Right?

SMacTech · Oct 7, 2003, 03:51 PM

Originally posted by solbo:
The Finder is still buggy, artifacts, delayed display updates when you move things, etc.

I don't see the issues in the Finder you are referring too, but I am only running 7B74.

bsodmike · Oct 7, 2003, 04:11 PM

I've been a wintel geek for the better part of my life until I purchased my G4 pbook in March this year (28th lol I still remember the date!) and one of the reasons I got it was OS X...

Couple nights ago some guys talked me into installing 7B85 and I am speechless. I had never seen any of the other builds and right after the installation process (3.5gigs take a LOOONG time) when the 'cube' rotated I wasn't exactly sure if it was some demo flash thing or some video LOL....talk about freaking out...

Jaguar is already looking its age and I can not believe I'm saying this, cause if you asked me a week ago I would have been like, "Is Panther That Good?"....

No. It's not. It's better than sliced bread.

The new Finder is a joy, Samba works nicely. After using it for 48hrs I've only had one finder crash (instant reload) but that was partially my fault. Mail.app is very nice, got a couple more bells n' whistles.

Coulple stuff have been shifted on the Sys Prefs pane, like login items is apart of 'Accounts' and is associated with each user (makes sence!). Disk Copy has been integrated into whats called Disk Utility.

The new DVD Play is a blast, but some other users have complained of problems.

Battery life is great, I'm getting WAY more than I ever did and this is with a 8month old battery on a 1gig superdrive 15" Tibook.

Speed. Jaguar was feeling its age. Not only had it slowed down, but it being my 'first Mac os' it had a lot of stuff installed that I wouldn't normally bother installing. However the speed increase offered by Panther is instantly noticeable not only in the boot up process (significantly faster...) but within the OS. Expose does exactly like it should but is useless unless you got a nice rodent with lottah buttons (Mx500/700 maybe?) cause its a drag (specially on a pbook) to press F9 and then use the trackpad/button to choose window.

This is a long rant, but simply put, I'm loving Panther by the minute. It has rekindled a new love in my life

Peter · Oct 7, 2003, 04:15 PM

yay huge images

So you found out about Expose, eh?

keston · Oct 7, 2003, 05:01 PM

I think they are all in arms about it, because they need to know which pirated build they can officially settle with and install on thier three macs, instead of buying the store copy.

Besides all the friends who they can "distribute" said build to wont be nearly as impressed if they find out its NOT the final build, and they are now running a still beta OS on thier production machine, and any minute it could give way and destroy everything, without any avenue of complaint to apple, becuase its not the same as the final.

Originally posted by gorgonzola:
They're likely already working on 10.3.1 which is likely in the 7Cxx build range. I personally have little doubt that 7B85 is GM, but I really don't understand why people are flipping out about this.

It doesn't matter what build is GM and what isn't, since you will get whatever build is GM when you go to the store and buy it.

Right?

Diggory Laycock · Oct 7, 2003, 05:13 PM

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