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dennis88 · Oct 10, 2003, 02:50 PM

Do you guys think games will run smoother with Panther, than with 10.2?

Does anyone here have Panther beta and have tested games on 10.3 vs. 10.2?

Thanks!

Adam Betts · Oct 10, 2003, 02:56 PM

Warcraft III + Panther III =

III

Haven't tried other games yet but there's an obvious performance improvement in WCIII

dennis88 · Oct 10, 2003, 03:13 PM

Thanks!
Does anyone know if games like unreal tournament 2003 runs better?

Thanks!

parsec_kadets · Oct 10, 2003, 04:03 PM

My guess is that any game that uses OpenGL will be better under 10.3.

dennis88 · Oct 10, 2003, 04:05 PM

I hope you are right!
So how much performance gain do you think Panther will give in UT2k3 or america's army?

Thanks!

Spaztik · Oct 10, 2003, 04:08 PM

My framerates slow WAY down in Medal of Honor: Allied Assault: Spearhead when running in Panther... it's kind of annoying.

forkies · Oct 10, 2003, 04:10 PM

In my experience, Starcraft has been worse in 10.3 and 10.2.8. It is unnoticeable on an eMac, but very noticeable on a first rev dual-USB iBook.

dennis88 · Oct 10, 2003, 04:41 PM

I just found this on a thread on macnn:

"from macbidollue

"Panther makes us wonder every day a bit more. "le_mackeux" on our forums posted the results he reached with BenchUT2003 under X.2.6 and X.3. He uses a G4 Quicksilver 933 with a Radeon 9000 and 1.5 Go RAM. Tests were done under 1280*1024 resolution with demo flyby-citadel

Under X.2.6:
Score 37.00
Min FPS 11.42
Average FPS 36.94
max 121.27

Under X.3:
Score 55.95
Min FPS 17.4
Average FPS 57.026
max 192.117

Score improves by more than 30% !"

I hope this is the case!

Wiskedjak · Oct 10, 2003, 04:43 PM

Absolutely, even FOOD will taste better with Panther!

mitchell_pgh · Oct 10, 2003, 04:45 PM

I love that Panther will actually make my current computer faster... very non-windows like...

Warcraft III on my Quicksilver G4 733 is almost unplayable...

fetopher · Oct 10, 2003, 05:13 PM

When is Counterstrike coming?

Its the only game I ever play. I actually bought a PC just to play it. I hope one day it is ported to OS X.

dennis88 · Oct 10, 2003, 05:36 PM

Originally posted by fetopher:
When is Counterstrike coming? Its the only game I ever play. I actually bought a PC just to play it. I hope one day it is ported to OS X.

Damn, you got a lot of computers!
Do you have a 12" powerbook AND a 17" powerbook AND a powermac AND a pc?

Adam Betts · Oct 10, 2003, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by mitchell_pgh:
I love that Panther will actually make my current computer faster... very non-windows like...

Warcraft III on my Quicksilver G4 733 is almost unplayable...

I'm on Quicksilver G4 867

with

Radeon 8500 64MB

and

Warcraft III

ran like a champion on med/high setting comparing to Jaguar's low setting

dennis88 · Oct 10, 2003, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by Adam Betts:
I'm on Quicksilver G4 867

with

Radeon 8500 64MB

and

Warcraft III

ran like a champion on med/high setting comparing to Jaguar's low setting

That sound great! (But warcraft 3 runs smoooth on my 15" 1,25ghz pb in jaguar anyway)

BurpetheadX · Oct 10, 2003, 06:56 PM

Unreal Tourney 2003 on my single 533/radeon 8500 was unplayable in 10.2 It was made playable when upgraded to Panther. However, Medal of Honor plays crap super style now.

Liquidity X · Oct 11, 2003, 02:54 AM

So far, quake 3 screams even more, Unreal 2k3 is MUCH faster and I have acully started to play it now, and I see increase in AVP2, but its still is the worst running game I have. Installing Sim City 4 now.

(DP 800, Geforce 4, 1.25 gig Ram) will report how they run on my 17 PB soon.

Applefreak01 · Oct 11, 2003, 03:13 AM

OS X is great it's all I use now as my main OS now that I got another Mac and I love it. I ordered my copy of panther as soon as I heard it was out for preorder and can't wait.

But as far as games go that's the only reason I keep my HP around. The only time I turn on my HP is to play games, mainly Desert Combat mod for Battlefield 1942 and UT2003. Games are just better on a PC, granted some games look and sound better on a Mac but with a PC you don't have to wait forever till the PC version becomes Game of the Year and then gets ported to the Mac (ahem UT2003 and others). UT2003 is new to the Mac and in Dec. UT2004 is coming out for the PC.

dennis88 · Oct 11, 2003, 05:00 AM

Originally posted by Liquidity X:
So far, quake 3 screams even more, Unreal 2k3 is MUCH faster and I have acully started to play it now, and I see increase in AVP2, but its still is the worst running game I have. Installing Sim City 4 now.

(DP 800, Geforce 4, 1.25 gig Ram) will report how they run on my 17 PB soon.

UT2k3 is MUCH faster?
Nice!
Now I can't wait!

moonmonkey · Oct 11, 2003, 05:37 AM

Originally posted by BurpetheadX:
Unreal Tourney 2003 on my single 533/radeon 8500 was unplayable in 10.2 It was made playable when upgraded to Panther. However, Medal of Honor plays crap super style now.

To be honest, you are never going to get descent performance on that machine.

UT 2003 is slow on my 700G4.

dennis88 · Oct 11, 2003, 05:38 AM

Originally posted by moonmonkey:
To be honest, you are never going to get descent performance on that machine.

UT 2003 is slow on my 700G4.

Yeah, but what graphics card do you have?
And do you have Panther?

- - e r i k - - · Oct 11, 2003, 08:15 AM

I run WCIII TFT with no problems on my 17" PB with Panther. Of course I have no comparison since I got the game after Panther. It totally rocks. Off to play now

dennis88 · Oct 11, 2003, 08:52 AM

Originally posted by - - e r i k - -:
I run WCIII TFT with no problems on my 17" PB with Panther. Of course I have no comparison since I got the game after Panther. It totally rocks. Off to play now

Do you have UT2k3?
Can you try to download the demo and try it out?

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BZ · Oct 11, 2003, 09:23 AM

This is what I don't get about people complaining about the price of 10.3.

If I sold a magic piece of software that you could install on ANY mac (with USB) and would give your games, GUI, etc a 20-30% increase in speed I could charge $200 a nobody would blink an eye.

Apple bundles the speed increase with another 149 other enhancements and people complain bitterly about paying $129. It just amazes me.

BZ

dennis88 · Oct 11, 2003, 10:10 AM

Originally posted by BZ:
This is what I don't get about people complaining about the price of 10.3.

If I sold a magic piece of software that you could install on ANY mac (with USB) and would give your games, GUI, etc a 20-30% increase in speed I could charge $200 a nobody would blink an eye.

Apple bundles the speed increase with another 149 other enhancements and people complain bitterly about paying $129. It just amazes me.

BZ

I must agree.
I have nothing against supporting apple, even if I have bought a brand new 15" and didn't get the upgrade for free.
129$ is a cheap price to pay to get all that extra performance to your system.

Krypton · Oct 11, 2003, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by BZ:
This is what I don't get about people complaining about the price of 10.3.

If I sold a magic piece of software that you could install on ANY mac (with USB) and would give your games, GUI, etc a 20-30% increase in speed I could charge $200 a nobody would blink an eye.

Apple bundles the speed increase with another 149 other enhancements and people complain bitterly about paying $129. It just amazes me.

BZ

Hmmm, but had you sold us several magic pieces of magic software beforehand that made it slower in the first place?

oranjdisc · Oct 11, 2003, 02:46 PM

I'm running 7B74 of Panther, and the move up from 10.2 was quite noticeable while playing UT 2003 on my dual 533, GeForce 2MX rig. Granted, I will never get that great of a frame rate from my config, but the improvements in Jaguar are definitely noticeable. Game doesn't play too bad with all the settings turned down.

dennis88 · Oct 11, 2003, 03:38 PM

Originally posted by oranjdisc:
I'm running 7B74 of Panther, and the move up from 10.2 was quite noticeable while playing UT 2003 on my dual 533, GeForce 2MX rig. Granted, I will never get that great of a frame rate from my config, but the improvements in Jaguar are definitely noticeable. Game doesn't play too bad with all the settings turned down.

Wow!
It looks like UT2k3 will run better with Panther, and so should america's army, since it built on the unreal 2k3 engine.

Can't wait!