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Spaztik · Oct 15, 2003, 02:08 PM

These are most of the things that I don't like about Panther's new interface.

http://homepage.mac.com/justspaztik/panthergui/

What do you guys think? Agree? Disagree?

johnpg · Oct 15, 2003, 02:14 PM

If this is all you have to complain about then you should really be thankful. :-)

Spaztik · Oct 15, 2003, 02:24 PM

Oh, there's more... but, I am too lazy to list EVERY single glitch... some of them don't accur all the time.

drnkn_stylz · Oct 15, 2003, 02:29 PM

All those are too true. I'm neutral on the icon highlight, but other than that I agree with you.

NetworkShadow · Oct 15, 2003, 02:30 PM

I agree with most of those points, and it doesn't end there if you're into themeing.

The latest themeing limitation I found is a new window/text color problem where themes can't have 2 different colors for the 2 layers of a tabbed window. There might be a work around, but it seems like themes will be limited to one color for windows.

My Panther ThemeFur of SSPM swiz style:

Click for full screen 1280x1024 screen

Looks great asside from the tabs and this small bug thing:

Shouldn't be too hard to port to Panther. Looks good.

Reply:

Originally posted by swiz:
Thats just great, looks like Apple is continuing to muck things up by using previously obsoleted PPAT calls like this again. So much for themes using different backgrounds from their tab panes. F Steve I say!!!

Dale Sorel · Oct 15, 2003, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by Spaztik:
Oh, there's more... but, I am too lazy to list EVERY single glitch... some of them don't accur all the time.

Like your spelling

Get over it already, perfection is only a myth

Dace · 05:13 PM

Originally posted by Dale Sorel:
Like your spelling

Get over it already, perfection is only a myth

I agree with Dale, just be happy.

Complain, complain, complain. Thats all you people ever do.

OS 9 was great...but OS X is beautiful and it's still young, give OS X a chance..its only at v.3.

I love the Aqua GUI and prefer OS X despite what I had to give up when I left OS 9.

If you dislike Panther so much, stay in Jaguar or go back to OS 9 or change to Linux or XP.

Just be happy and stop complaining about trivial things. I'm happy...Panther will be here soon! Thank you Apple for your continued efforts.

quandarry · Oct 15, 2003, 03:55 PM

panther is cool in every way...

and i plan on hacking and sawing and chopping it to pieces!

BWWWAAAAHAAAAHAAAAHAAAA!

::maroma:: · Oct 15, 2003, 04:29 PM

Originally posted by Spaztik:
These are most of the things that I don't like about Panther's new interface.

http://homepage.mac.com/justspaztik/panthergui/

What do you guys think? Agree? Disagree?

I neither agree nor disagree. But I think that those complaints are hardly worth the time it took to build that page, and then complain about them on the internet.

But that's just me...

codywalton · Oct 15, 2003, 04:39 PM

Originally posted by Spaztik:
These are most of the things that I don't like about Panther's new interface.

http://homepage.mac.com/justspaztik/panthergui/

What do you guys think? Agree? Disagree?

I completely agree with you on all points except the application switcher. I like it.

TheDisaster · Oct 15, 2003, 08:58 PM

I noticed this, put a folder with aliases in it in your dock, when you right click on the folder to pop-up the list of it's contents the icons are all funny as you roll over them.

addiecool · Oct 16, 2003, 10:08 AM

I love the application switcher and the way it works. PC guys here adore the beautiful icons when i press command-tab

LeeG · Oct 16, 2003, 12:19 PM

I like the application switcher too - it shows off the beautiful OSX icons, but only for a second, so its not in your face like enlarging/magnifying the dock. Really nice.

Lee

Spaztik · Oct 16, 2003, 12:39 PM

All my icons are 32x32 and my dock is 32x32 and magnifies to 64x64... so you see... 128x128 is huge to me... it's too In-Your-Face. You know?

Mac Guru · Oct 17, 2003, 09:06 AM

I found a fix!!!!

Don't Command-TAB!

Mac Guru

Dale Sorel · Oct 17, 2003, 02:52 PM

Originally posted by LeeG:
I like the application switcher too ...

I'm currently using LiteSwitch X as it's more configurable

Spaztik · Oct 17, 2003, 04:07 PM

Apple's GUI design is getting rather sloppy and what ever happened to giving the users some choices... it seems like everything Apple has come out with since the introduction of Mac OS X, gives us less and less to actually choose from.

What about us POWER USERS?

Jansar · Oct 17, 2003, 07:28 PM

In the words of Arnold Schwarzenegger...

STOP WHINING!

NetworkShadow · Oct 17, 2003, 10:58 PM

Remember this is the gui forum, most of us like to have our interface just so, or it's not right. The limitations and "glitches" with Panther are small enough to live with, but if Apple keeps it up we could end-up very limited to what can be done with the interface and the last thing we want is a crapie looking interface.

So you guys who don't care what the UI looks like, let us designers and gui guys rant... What are you even doing in the "GUI Customization" forum form for if you don't mind if Apple botches the interface?

Mike S. · Oct 17, 2003, 11:50 PM

Originally posted by Spaztik:
Apple's GUI design is getting rather sloppy and what ever happened to giving the users some choices...

When has Apple ever provided choices with regards to the UI?

OK, Classic Mac OS was a *little* more flexible in that it let you select from several more color highlights and choose from a few alternate system fonts but aside from that it wasn't really customizable.

Windows is where the real customization has always been ever since 3.1. You can do some really hideous stuff with the UI if you want.

Classic Mac OS' customizability came from Kaleidoscope and it seems third parties (like Stardock) are where Windows gets most of it's abilities from, though Windows XP's built in features can be enabled via a hack and they seem rather extensive.

Unless a third party steps up to the plate and does something about OS X I think people are just going to have to get used to having their hands tied by limited options.

Apple is not going to cooperate in letting people mess with their "art work", they never have.

If they surprise me then great. I'm ready to eat crow on this one.

NetworkShadow · Oct 18, 2003, 01:18 AM

If Apple designed their gui with the same quality as the g5 or iPod I don't think we'd be complaining.

I just got the betas of Unsanity's haxies! Finder has no metal! yay

bbxstudio · Oct 18, 2003, 02:45 AM

While I do love to bitch about Apple's interface foibles and would like to think parts could be done better in many cases, I secretly admire Aqua a great deal and find the entire Mac experience the way it is out-of-the-box pretty impressive and more than liveable in almost every regard. Sure, the new Panther Aqua is not the direction I would have liked to have seen (Jaguar with the new-style flatter widgets and buttons was what I expected), but really it could be a thousand million times worse... stock Windows is just unbelievably nasty by comparison - besides, Panther's features are so impressive and must-have that I myself would probably live with an OS9 interface wrapped over them. So let's all take a moment and silently appreciate all of the good things Apple has given us... a more-than decent interface, wicked fun hardware, simple yet powerful applications galore, iTunes, a new aesthetic sensibility overall... it's all so beautiful, really.

[silence]
...
[/silence]

Right then - back to bitching. Yeah, I hate the new hilighted selected icon thing... the labels are really fisher-price and seem out of step with the overall look... the gray titlebars and stripes blow huge almost-amateurish chunks... this mix of button styles is confusing and totally unecessary... their brushed metal effect is so 1995, badly-rendered and getting seriously old seriously fast... and so on and so on...

Mike S. · Oct 18, 2003, 02:56 AM

To steal a bit from Futurama:

bbxstudio: "Who are those hideous one armed monkeys over there?"

Steve Jobs: "Those are the Apple graphics designers, they create the GUIs here at the campus."

bbxstudio: "Tell them I hate them!"