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absmiths · Mar 12, 2003, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by clebin:
Well, it's still slow as hell...

I tried Eclipse, a nice Java IDE,. Every mouse click includes a momentary pause. I'm willing to bet - after using JBuilder on my TiBook 500 and a fairly equivalent Thinkpad - that it doesn't run like that on Windows.

Another incentive to get a newer Mac... shame I've just been made redundant, really.

Chris

When I tested 1.3.1 and 1.4.1 side-by-side as recently as DP 9 the 1.4.1 version was significantly slower for GUI stuff.

absmiths · Mar 12, 2003, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by JLL:
1.4.1 is on by default (it wasn't in the DPs).

My system may be slightly screwed from the DP'ing. I tried several users (ones that explicitly select a JDK in their cshrc and ones that don't) and I get mixed results for 1.3.1 and 1.4.1 from the terminal. I guess some day I will have to work that out (although right now I HAVE to use 1.3.1 from the command line because I spend all my time there running ANT to build stuff for a production system). But my CurrentJDK and Current links are pointing to 1.4.

If you think that JDK 1.4 and 1.3 are compatible, try maintaining JDBC drivers. The classes are different enough that you can't fully compile them on EITHER version!

BTW, I could have sworn that the readme for DP8 specified that 1.3 would remain default in production - why did Apple change their policy?

JLL · Mar 12, 2003, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by absmiths:
BTW, I could have sworn that the readme for DP8 specified that 1.3 would remain default in production - why did Apple change their policy?

In some cases Java 1.3.1 is the default (like when you double click a Jar), but Java commands in the Terminal are 1.4.1.

gorickey · Mar 12, 2003, 05:04 PM

nm

Metzen · Mar 12, 2003, 06:40 PM

Limewire is hardcoded to use Java 1.3.1 BTW. Any attempt to use Limewire with Java 1.4.1 results in a freeze (of Limewire) when loading "messages" or some other.

Any speed effect you see is probably placebo.

asmodeus · Mar 13, 2003, 03:57 AM

Originally posted by clebin:
Well, it's still slow as hell...

I tried Eclipse, a nice Java IDE,. Every mouse click includes a momentary pause. I'm willing to bet - after using JBuilder on my TiBook 500 and a fairly equivalent Thinkpad - that it doesn't run like that on Windows.

Another incentive to get a newer Mac... shame I've just been made redundant, really.

Chris

Keep in mind that Eclipse uses native widgets for nearly everything on each platform it supports, and the Mac/Carbon version is extremely early in development.

clebin · Mar 13, 2003, 08:35 AM

Originally posted by asmodeus:
Keep in mind that Eclipse uses native widgets for nearly everything on each platform it supports, and the Mac/Carbon version is extremely early in development.

Do you have an alternative suggestion for a Java IDE? Thanks.

edit: I should say I know what's out there, but in terms of simplicity and speed, what do you recommend?

Chris

absmiths · Mar 13, 2003, 04:30 PM

Originally posted by clebin:
Do you have an alternative suggestion for a Java IDE? Thanks.

edit: I should say I know what's out there, but in terms of simplicity and speed, what do you recommend?

Chris

I use Forte when I need something specific, but mostly I use ANT for builds and Project Builder for editing source. It works really well.

7Macfreak · Mar 13, 2003, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by I Have Questions:
My wife likes to play different games on games.yahoo.com and most of them say "Not compatible with Macintosh or Linux computers". What this really means is that they are dog slow. With this update, the games that run in a Java applet are quicker in Safari than on a PC. Good news for the wife!

yahoo pool still sucks and safari seems to freeze after you quit any of the games.
but there definitely is an improvement overall.

asmodeus · Mar 14, 2003, 02:10 AM

Originally posted by clebin:
Do you have an alternative suggestion for a Java IDE? Thanks.

edit: I should say I know what's out there, but in terms of simplicity and speed, what do you recommend?

Chris

I tend to use Project Builder w/ Ant build scripts, like absmiths... though I've begun using Eclipse a bit more on my PC recently. Though I'm looking forward to a more mature Mac version of Eclipse.

ginoledesma · Mar 15, 2003, 07:21 AM

I just wish that Apple would somehow provide a "standard" Java install as in Linux and Windows, so that we can run other big Java apps without too much fuss (case in point, Sun ONE/Forte, Java3D, etc.).