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Extinct ibex is resurrected by cloning - Telegraph
Amazing. Unfortunately the kid died from defects in its lungs, apparently a problem that is not too uncommon in clones. However, it does bring hope for possibly reintroducing the species to its native habitat.
I wonder if the Thylacine will be cloned.
I can understand not cloning dinosaurs or species that went extinct naturally, but I'm all for cloning animals that went extinct as a result of human actions. OK, maybe cloning one dinosaur... cuz that would be one of the coolest things ever.
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What makes human actions not 'natural'? We're competing for habitats and resources just like every other species on the planet.
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Also, ethical issues be damned, I WANT A DINOSAUR!
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Originally Posted by nonhuman
Also, ethical issues be damned, I WANT A DINOSAUR!
Me too. Having a pet dinosaur, or even seeing some, would be simply amazing. Even crazier, is that it is within the realm of possibility, in our lifetime. It's a fairly exciting time to be alive.
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Originally Posted by nonhuman
What makes human actions not 'natural'?
The definition of the word natural?
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Originally Posted by TETENAL
The definition of the word natural?
Which, clearly, is what I'm disputing here...
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar
Technology.
Other animals use (rudimentary) technologies. Does that mean the things they do are unnatural too?
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Originally Posted by nonhuman
What makes human actions not 'natural'?
Well for one thing, I'm pretty sure that one hole is for poopoo to come out of and not to put things into.
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Originally Posted by nonhuman
Other animals use (rudimentary) technologies. Does that mean the things they do are unnatural too?
If you don't wish to accept the answer, be my guest. However I'm not going to be drawn into a semantic argument when the difference between us and animals is pretty ****ing clear.
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar
If you don't wish to accept the answer, be my guest. However I'm not going to be drawn into a semantic argument when the difference between us and animals is pretty ****ing clear.
Actually, you're being completely arbitrary, whether you realize it or not.
There are plenty of examples where animals use tools - actual, manufactured tools fashioned with great care - to their competitive advantage, and there are plenty of examples where animals did "unnatural" things like hunt others animals to the brink of extinction.
Just look at recent studies on the behavior of chimpanzees in the wild for some pretty scary re-delineation of "natural" behavior.
Claiming that human behavior is "unnatural" because we are destructive and arbitrarily cruel to our environment, and we use tools, is simply bullshit.
It is merely a matter of degree - and once it's a matter of degree, where you draw the line of distinction is no longer a matter of semantics.
There is no line to be drawn.
The ONLY difference is that we are aware and capable enough to consciously try and slow or stop or even reverse the effects of our actions, but it's becoming painfully obvious that simple awareness is not enough to separate us from the animals.
Anyway, carrion.
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The animals' actions are only "unnatural" when they're the ones talking about it. "Natural" is in the eye of the beholder.
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Regardless of your definition of natural, humans are in the unique position to be able to recognize the repercussions of our actions; that makes us responsible for them. The evolution of our intelligence and cognitive ability forces us to assume the role of caretaker.
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Two words: Mammoth Steaks
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And what is it about a huge asteroid hitting the earth that is "natural"? It's not like they had much of a fighting chance with that.
But, back on topic, this is pretty amazing.
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Originally Posted by olePigeon
Regardless of your definition of natural, humans are in the unique position to be able to recognize the repercussions of our actions; that makes us responsible for them. The evolution of our intelligence and cognitive ability forces us to assume the role of caretaker.
I addressed that point: it doesn't seem to be happening.
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Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot
I addressed that point: it doesn't seem to be happening.
Being capable and caring enough to do something about it are two completely different issues. I could lose 50 pounds if I wasn't lazy.
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Wouldn't it be simpler to go back in time and "collect" a male and female of the species and then breed them.
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Originally Posted by olePigeon
Being capable and caring enough to do something about it are two completely different issues. I could lose 50 pounds if I wasn't lazy.
If the end result is the same, the planet fails to see the difference.
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You know what's unnatural?
Having sex while using a condom.
Anyway. Great news.
I can finally have sex using a condom made from ibex skin rather than lamb skin. Lamb skin always gives me a baaaahd rash.
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Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot
Actually, you're being completely arbitrary, whether you realize it or not.
Yeah, apparently not. But if you guys are telling me that our ability and scale with which we can change the environment around us is arbitrary, I'll accept that.
Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot
Anyway, carrion.
I realize this is probably a gaffe, but it's kinda of amusing as an insult.
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Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot
If the end result is the same, the planet fails to see the difference.
I'm confused about what end result you think is inevitable.
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Originally Posted by olePigeon
I'm confused about what end result you think is inevitable.
The end result being that nothing is done.
I'm not starting a political discussion. I'm saying that if the difference between an animal and a human is that the human is aware of the crap he's doing, but he fails to change his behavior anyway, then there is no difference.
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar
I realize this is probably a gaffe, but it's kinda of amusing as an insult.
Do not underestimate the Power of Pun.
(I'm curious at what level this one could have been considered a "gaffe" - I find it difficult to imagine how it could NOT have been deliberate…)
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Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot
(I'm curious at what level this one could have been considered a "gaffe" ...)
When it acquired brown patches and a long neck.
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Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot
Do not underestimate the Power of Pun.
(I'm curious at what level this one could have been considered a "gaffe" - I find it difficult to imagine how it could NOT have been deliberate…)
Brain fart.
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Originally Posted by olePigeon
When it acquired brown patches and a long neck.
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It's got the clone-stare. Happens to 92,73%. It will go away when it grows older.
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