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ryarber · Aug 8, 2005, 12:56 AM

Can anyone give me a quick rundown of the plusses and minuses of these apps?

Phil Sherry · Aug 8, 2005, 03:22 AM

If you do a search of the Web Development forum, you'll find a few threads covering this.

:dragonflypro: · Aug 8, 2005, 12:55 PM

And yet, it will begin again with the release of Studio 8 today

www.macromedia.com

T

Weyland-Yutani · Aug 8, 2005, 01:27 PM

Meh no new version of FreeHand. For me Dreamweaver is better because there is some funky character handling in GoLive. Some special characters don't work. If English is the language you work in you can flip a coin.

Both apps are Adobe now aren't they?

cheers

W-Y

m a d r a · Aug 9, 2005, 07:54 AM

both suck - but dreamweaver sucks less

- - e r i k - - · Aug 9, 2005, 09:24 AM

I heard good things about GoLive CS2 from a review, but as I'm not doing much web design these days I haven't tested. All my latest sites were hand-coded anyways.

tracemhunter · Aug 9, 2005, 10:44 AM

i have used both for one year each. the whole studio suite of each. i personally like dreamweaver better but i will only use it with photoshop because fireworks sucks.

headbirth · Aug 9, 2005, 02:17 PM

I kinda get the sense that web coding is moving away from these bloated tools into slimmer ones like skEdit, SubEtha, Smultron.

No?

madmacgames · Aug 9, 2005, 03:55 PM

yeah I just officially moved to BBEdit 8. dreamweaver MX is good, but it was getting to be too slow for me when I needed to be working on many files at once. Plus I only used the code view, and most of its "features" were things I didn't use.

BBEdit is much quicker and smoother to operate. The tab guides are nice, and the built in Subversion support was a major selling point. And the grep enabled find & replace can't be beat.

Though I do at times miss the tool tip PHP function hints that DWMX has.

workerbee · Aug 9, 2005, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by madmacgames

dreamweaver MX is good, but it was getting to be too slow for me when I needed to be working on many files at once.

Murray, on the DW forum, had this to say:

DW8 is much faster and more stable than DMX2004 on Macs.

If true (apparently of Flash 8 as well): probably reason enough for me to get Studio 8. Also, collapsing code could be really nice. And visual CSS editing is quite good in MX04 and should get better.

osxisfun · Aug 9, 2005, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by workerbee

Murray, on the DW forum, had this to say:

DW8 is much faster and more stable than DMX2004 on Macs.

If true (apparently of Flash 8 as well): probably reason enough for me to get Studio 8. Also, collapsing code could be really nice. And visual CSS editing is quite good in MX04 and should get better.

cool!

link?

I'm a beedit guy and dumped DW mostly cause it felt bloated to me... but if D8 is faster then I may buy a copy just to add to my tool set as a few of their features would save me lots of time.

thanks!

:dragonflypro: · Aug 9, 2005, 06:48 PM

While I use DW much less lately there are allot of reasons I use it daily:

- Pastes formated Word Copy (this is huge for anyone who is asked to post lengthy content)
- Whip out tables, etc super quick
- Site management (though less so lately)

Still, lately i have been taking much of the pasted Word text and then moving into SEE or HyperText and doing my CSS, etc.

I have not heard, but is the DW8 preview live?

T

osxisfun · Aug 9, 2005, 09:03 PM

just checked the boards. they seems to say it is faster but we will not see a download trail verison for 45-60 days???

gee macromedia take your time.

workerbee · Aug 10, 2005, 01:06 AM

Originally Posted by osxisfun

cool!
link?

Link (warning: it's quite a long thread by now :-))
Note that we'll also get tabs for document windows, like they had in the windows versions for a while. While it'll probably feel strange, it might just work much better with the MX UI -- there are pics of this in the Macworld preview I think.

osxisfun · Aug 10, 2005, 02:35 PM

thanks!

headbirth · Aug 10, 2005, 08:37 PM

Have you tried NVU? http://www.NVU.com

osxisfun · Aug 10, 2005, 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by headbirth

Have you tried NVU? http://www.NVU.com

i hated it.

the i ususally use a text editor but i could see how some of the dw 8 features could be usefull enough to keep it open at the same time... and if the code editor is faster then maybe more... i like the tabs interface.

freudling · Aug 21, 2005, 10:26 PM

For me, Dreamweaver is really good. But, Dreamweaver 7 is dog slow on the Mac. I "assume" that will be fixed with their new release. Having read the sales info and related articles, it looks as though this will be a redemption release for them, as they went to much work in this release, strictly from the users side. They formed a team that went to users' work places and sat alongside them: recording what the user needed to increase productivity as well as efficiency.

I recently downloaded "Freeway", a supposed intuitive web design program. Have not used it yet. Anybody?

jay3ld · Aug 21, 2005, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by workerbee

DW8 is much faster and more stable than DMX2004 on Macs.

I think this his true. i used Dreamweaver MX 7 on a Mac and it was slow and didnt like handling multiple files.
I used Dreamweaver MX 7 on a pc and it was way faster than a mac and looked better.

Maflynn · Aug 22, 2005, 07:03 AM

I like Golive (CS not CS2), but I wonder which one will survive with the adobe merger, I'm guessing DW.

Mike

analogika · Aug 22, 2005, 07:27 AM

Originally Posted by Maflynn

I like Golive (CS not CS2), but I wonder which one will survive with the adobe merger, I'm guessing DW.

Mike

Yes.

Freehand and Illustrator will be merged into a single product, as both have their merits, but GoLive will be steved in favor of Dreamweaver.

workerbee · 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by analogika

Freehand and Illustrator will be merged into a single product, as both have their merits, but GoLive will be steved in favor of Dreamweaver.

Actually, it's possible that FreeHand will get "steved" too... it didn't make it into Studio 8, and there has not been a new version for quite some time.