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mattscabana · Sep 1, 2003, 03:48 PM

According to macrumors it was just seeded. Anything new with the big 5 ' o jump.

Art Vandelay · Sep 1, 2003, 05:10 PM

Hitting 50 doesn't mean that there were any big changes. It is just a build increment. The letter is where bigger changes are indicated. 7B53 is just four builds higher than 7B49. Plus they are working their way towards release candidate status so you won't be seeing any big changes anymore. It's just bug fixes for now on.

K++ · Sep 1, 2003, 05:28 PM

Actually there is one big feature that as of yet hasn't been mentioned by anyone with Panther. That feature is roaming profiles. Steve talked about usingn your iPOd for your home dir and logging into a friend's machine and all your stuff being there. If not steve than someone. But Steve touted romaing profiles/home directories as part of Jaguar. It aint there yet so it aint GM yet.

If Server is required for this I will make such a fuss about it.

Art Vandelay · Sep 1, 2003, 05:34 PM

"Mobile Accounts" is a feature that Panther Server provides to laptop users with network accounts. It allows laptop users to keep using their network account when they are disconnected from the network.

mattscabana · Sep 1, 2003, 06:10 PM

I was just kidding around with the 5 ' o thing :-/

K++ · Sep 1, 2003, 06:44 PM

Originally posted by Art Vandelay:
"Mobile Accounts" is a feature that Panther Server provides to laptop users with network accounts. It allows laptop users to keep using their network account when they are disconnected from the network.

Why only laptop users? I could profit from FileVault and having a mobile Account especially on a large network where my machien is elsewhere. (ie. a school network)

Art Vandelay · Sep 1, 2003, 07:19 PM

Originally posted by K++:
Why only laptop users? I could profit from FileVault and having a mobile Account especially on a large network where my machien is elsewhere. (ie. a school network)

It's for machines that are connected to the network, then at a later time aren't, then are connected again. Any Mac can do it, but how many people are lugging around their G5s?

Anand · Sep 1, 2003, 07:46 PM

If we are getting close to the FC stage, I am dissapointed. The ability to connect to window s machines from the finder browser is crippeled. And now Sharity won't work. This sucks! Apple better have this fixed because it is still broken in 7B49.

Zimphire · Sep 1, 2003, 09:05 PM

I hear 7B55 is the latest internal build.

suthercd · Sep 1, 2003, 09:12 PM

What is an internal build? One that is not released?

Craig

benb · Sep 1, 2003, 09:47 PM

Originally posted by suthercd:
What is an internal build? One that is not released?

Craig

We have a winner!

Webscreamer · Sep 1, 2003, 09:57 PM

Originally posted by Anand:
If we are getting close to the FC stage, I am dissapointed. The ability to connect to window s machines from the finder browser is crippeled. And now Sharity won't work. This sucks! Apple better have this fixed because it is still broken in 7B49.

I hate to bring this up, but this is why its not a public release.

gorickey · Sep 1, 2003, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
I hear 7B55 is the latest internal build.

That is what localization testers have right now correct....

suthercd · Sep 1, 2003, 10:40 PM

Then it's not an internal build.

Craig

ryarber · Sep 2, 2003, 02:31 AM

Originally posted by K++:
Actually there is one big feature that as of yet hasn't been mentioned by anyone with Panther. That feature is roaming profiles. Steve talked about usingn your iPOd for your home dir and logging into a friend's machine and all your stuff being there. If not steve than someone. But Steve touted romaing profiles/home directories as part of Jaguar. It aint there yet so it aint GM yet.

If Server is required for this I will make such a fuss about it.

I remember reading about that some time ago. However, it wasn't Jobs that said it. I think it was someone speculating on future features. Nowhere to my knowlege has Apple claimed to be implementing this as a feature.

TC · Sep 2, 2003, 04:46 AM

Can someone let me know if Recent Places has returned to the open/save dialogs?

It was gone in the WWDC preview but I hope it makes a return. I would love it if they would make it back into a folder like OS 9, much easier to manipulate with Applescript.

iFix Rene · Sep 2, 2003, 05:02 AM

yes it's in there

Some Guy [] · Sep 2, 2003, 05:32 AM

Originally posted by Anand:
If we are getting close to the FC stage, I am dissapointed. The ability to connect to window s machines from the finder browser is crippeled. And now Sharity won't work. This sucks! Apple better have this fixed because it is still broken in 7B49.

seriously... shutup.

-justin

Anand · Sep 2, 2003, 07:38 AM

Originally posted by Some Guy []:
seriously... shutup.

-justin

No, you shut up!

Anand · Sep 2, 2003, 07:41 AM

Originally posted by Webscreamer:
I hate to bring this up, but this is why its not a public release.

and what is that supposed to mean? I hear that it is still no functional and that is all you have to say? Apple had stated that you would now be able to connect to windows shares through the network icon in the finder browser. Will you be able to do that in the 10.3 release? From what I have heard, it is not functional in the recent builds and my not be there in the final release. They may only have connection to AFP shares.

Moose · Sep 2, 2003, 07:59 AM

Originally posted by Anand:
From what I have heard, it is not functional in the recent builds and my not be there in the final release. They may only have connection to AFP shares.

From where are you hearing this?

Anand · Sep 2, 2003, 08:23 AM

Originally posted by Moose:
From where are you hearing this?

From message boards and people (including someone from an Apple Store).

gorickey · Sep 2, 2003, 08:30 AM

Originally posted by Anand:
....(including someone from an Apple Store).

For what it's worth, I had "someone from an Apple Store" tell me the other day that the G3 is faster then the G5 in standard day-to-day activities. Goes to show, they know just as little (or much) as the next guy. I wouldn't hold anything they say with anymore "clout"...

Moose · Sep 2, 2003, 08:46 AM

Originally posted by Anand:
From message boards and people (including someone from an Apple Store).

Beware assigning credibility to message board postings and words from retail employees who are, on average, about as well informed regarding Mac OS X development as the average morsel of navel lint at a Curves. That way lies madness.

(Yes, I'm aware of the irony.)

Anand · Sep 2, 2003, 08:51 AM

Originally posted by Moose:
Beware assigning credibility to message board postings and words from retail employees who are, on average, about as well informed regarding Mac OS X development as the average morsel of navel lint at a Curves. That way lies madness.

(Yes, I'm aware of the irony.)

I agree. The Apple Store Geniuses are not very genius like! I hope than that this is fixed and complete. Right now we use sharity and Samba to connect our Macs and Wintel machines together. No one on the Macs like going to the connect to server panel to connect to other computers. Sharity is great for this. And everybody assumes that the Network icon will take you to the network. And now it appears that it will and that is great!

alexforsythe24 · Sep 2, 2003, 10:17 AM

Originally posted by Anand:
And everybody assumes that the Network icon will take you to the network. And now it appears that it will and that is great!

I STILL haven't figured out what the point of the network icon in Jaguar is.
Perhaps it's because I'm not on a large network (1 Mac, 1 PC)

Can someone enlighten me?

dtriska · Sep 2, 2003, 10:24 AM

Originally posted by alexforsythe24:
I STILL haven't figured out what the point of the network icon in Jaguar is.
Perhaps it's because I'm not on a large network (1 Mac, 1 PC)

Can someone enlighten me?

Here 'ya go...

lookmark · Sep 2, 2003, 10:26 AM

Originally posted by alexforsythe24:
I STILL haven't figured out what the point of the network icon in Jaguar is.
Perhaps it's because I'm not on a large network (1 Mac, 1 PC)

Can someone enlighten me?

It's a NetInfo thing. It makes sense only if your network is NetInfo-bound (rare) or if your computer is booting the OS remotely off OS X Server (also rare). It makes sense, therefore, for very, very few people.

It's an icon that present on all machines, but only actually useful for what must be something like .1 % of users.

It's utterly ridiculous that that icon has stayed in the UI for two and a half years, without actually connecting to a local network but giving the appearance that it would.

At long last Apple got their act together on this one.

Simon · Sep 2, 2003, 10:29 AM

Originally posted by lookmark:
At long last Apple got their act together on this one.

Could you explain?

Have they removed it on Panther (if you don't NetBoot that is)?

Anand · Sep 2, 2003, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by lookmark:
It's a NetInfo thing. It makes sense only (I believe) if your computer is booting the OS remotely off OS X Server. It makes sense, therefore, for very, very few people.

It's an icon that present on all machines, but only actually useful for what must be something like .1 % of users.

It's utterly ridiculous that that icon has stayed in the UI for two and a half years, without actually connecting to a local network but giving the appearance that it would. At long last Apple got their act together on this one.

This has confused so many people. It has been terrible! Have you every used Sharity. An amazing utility that no one in a cross platform enviroment should be without! I just hope Apple makes the Network Icon function like the CIFS icon in Sharity!

lookmark · Sep 2, 2003, 10:42 AM

Originally posted by Simon:
Have they removed it on Panther (if you don't NetBoot that is)?

The Network icon is still there; it'll now work the way everyone thought it should.

Anand · Sep 2, 2003, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by lookmark:
The Network icon is still there; it'll now work the way everyone thought it should.

Yes, but in that thread I thought they said they could still not connect to Wintell machines - they just got broken aliases. Some people have stated that it was still this way while other say it has been fixed.

lookmark · Sep 2, 2003, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by Anand:
Yes, but in that thread I thought they said they could still not connect to Wintell machines - they just got broken aliases. Some people have stated that it was still this way while other say it has been fixed.

Uh-huh. Sounds like it's still being worked on.

Anand, I think you may be misinformed how developer seeds work. These are *not* meant for public release; they're for developers to test with their applications. Noting that a feature is working in 7B49 but broken in 7B53 means very little. As various components on the OS are worked on, other parts may regress.

However, it *is* pretty clear from the seeds that Apple is working on using the Network icon to browse local networks, and this is the UI they intend to use. That's what interests me, and that's the most useful information I can glean from reports with the Panther beta.

sniffer · Sep 2, 2003, 01:24 PM

Originally posted by lookmark:
However, it *is* pretty clear from the seeds that Apple is working on using the Network icon to browse local networks, and this is the UI they intend to use. That's what interests me, and that's the most useful information I can glean from reports with the Panther beta.

Finally. That network icon (presume you mean that one in Finder) has been pretty useless for me so far. So it makes much more sense to include Windows network browsing in it.

pelorus · Sep 2, 2003, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by Anand:
and what is that supposed to mean? I hear that it is still no functional and that is all you have to say? Apple had stated that you would now be able to connect to windows shares through the network icon in the finder browser. Will you be able to do that in the 10.3 release? From what I have heard, it is not functional in the recent builds and my not be there in the final release. They may only have connection to AFP shares.

Don't believe everything you hear - especially if it comes to you from a Mac Genius.

mrfoxxman · Sep 2, 2003, 02:00 PM

QUOTE FROM APPLE.COM

"Direct Network Access.
The network icon in the Places sidebar provides direct access to available Mac, Windows and Unix servers � you don�t need to use the �Connect to�� menu."

BurpetheadX · Sep 2, 2003, 02:14 PM

Originally posted by gorickey:
For what it's worth, I had "someone from an Apple Store" tell me the other day that the G3 is faster then the G5 in standard day-to-day activities. Goes to show, they know just as little (or much) as the next guy. I wouldn't hold anything they say with anymore "clout"...

Yes, Apple store employees know nothing. They are trained to be sales reps, not support people. I talked to one employee once that didnt even know what appletalk was.

gorickey · Sep 2, 2003, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by BurpetheadX:
I talked to one employee once that didnt even know what appletalk was.

Isn't "Appletalk" the part of my computer that talks to me when I ask what day or time it is?

iFix Rene · Sep 2, 2003, 03:21 PM

just noticed a COOL effect when you drop
a file on a folder in the sidebar...
watch it closely

build 7B49

Pretty sure it wasnt in the earlier builds
is this still the same in b53?

dfiler · Sep 2, 2003, 03:58 PM

You Tease! Show us a picture

Art Vandelay · Sep 2, 2003, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by iFix Rene:
just noticed a COOL effect when you drop
a file on a folder in the sidebar...
watch it closely
build 7B49

Pretty sure it wasnt in the earlier builds
is this still the same in b53?

Nope, that's been there for a while now, maybe even the WWDC build.

xi_hyperon · Sep 2, 2003, 04:13 PM

Originally posted by iFix Rene:
just noticed a COOL effect when you drop
a file on a folder in the sidebar...
watch it closely
build 7B49

Pretty sure it wasnt in the earlier builds
is this still the same in b53?

Aw, c'mon, don't be mean about it. Tell us what it is!

version · Sep 2, 2003, 04:18 PM

I think he means the little jumping animation when you drag 'n' drop something onto one of the folders in the sidebar; it kind of does an arcing swoop?
Actually, I have no idea how to describe the effect.

tRr · Sep 2, 2003, 04:19 PM

The effect is just like Address Book in Jag when you drop contacts onto groups.

Busemann · Sep 2, 2003, 04:35 PM

Originally posted by tRr:
The effect is just like Address Book in Jag when you drop contacts onto groups.

...and has been around in Finder since WWDC.

Anand · Sep 2, 2003, 04:54 PM

So, is anything new or fixed in 7B53? Anybody got any ideas?

CheesePuff · Sep 2, 2003, 04:57 PM

MacMegasite.com reports that 7B53 is getting close to the final build.

KidRed · Sep 2, 2003, 09:05 PM

Originally posted by CheesePuff:
MacMegasite.com reports that 7B53 is getting close to the final build.

Possibly.

Moonray · Sep 2, 2003, 10:02 PM

Originally posted by CheesePuff:
MacMegasite.com reports that 7B53 is getting close to the final build.

Yes, it's definitely closer to the final build than 7B49 was.

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gorickey · Sep 2, 2003, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by Moonray:
Yes, it's definitely closer to the final build than 7B49 was.

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Why do you say that?