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Originally Posted by Peter View Post

I am sooo staying awake all weekend on the 21st!

Who else?


Anyone?





Anyone?
My wife is dressing up as Ginny and going to a local bookstore to help with the release party at midnight, tonight. She recently reread ALL the books, in order, starting about 1.5 months ago, and finished the last book (prior to the final book) on Tuesday night. She took notes from each book on a notecard, with questions and possibilities for the final book.

Basically, she was being a huge dork. A bunch of her friends are dressing up as other Harry Potter characters.

She's trying to convince me to go as something (I dunno what I'd go as..... skinny dude with dark hair? Whatever), but I keep suggesting "Ninja", "Assault Commando" and "Storm Trooper", but she's not amused with my ideas.
     
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Is today/tonight D-Day for you people?
     
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Yep, midnight.
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Jul 20, 2007, 11:22 AM
 
Heh, should be an interesting weekend, then. I suspect by Tuesday I'll know how the series wraps up from lurking around here.
     
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Originally Posted by Dakarʒ View Post
Is today/tonight D-Day for you people?
Yes. I'm at the Walmart tonight by 11:30. (Geez, I hate Walmart, but that's another story)
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Originally Posted by design219 View Post
Yes. I'm at the Walmart tonight by 11:30. (Geez, I hate Walmart, but that's another story)
I'm sure you'll see some ugly troll costume, say "Nice Outfit!" and they'll be like, "Huh, I work here."

I hate Wal•Mart too.
     
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Originally Posted by Dakarʒ View Post
I'm sure you'll see some ugly troll costume, say "Nice Outfit!" and they'll be like, "Huh, I work here."
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Jul 20, 2007, 11:28 AM
 
I'm just gonna go to the campus bookstore tomorrow and pick up a copy. Even though I know how it ends.

 

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Why would you go to Walmart? Do you not have any bookstores around you, preferably local?
     
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Originally Posted by design219 View Post
Yes. I'm at the Walmart tonight by 11:30. (Geez, I hate Walmart, but that's another story)
If you hate Walmart or think that their business practices are wrong, then quit shopping there. They're not going to change if everyone keeps spending money with them. Money talks, griping on a message board doesn't do anything.
     
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Exactly why I don't shop there.
     
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If you hate Walmart or think that their business practices are wrong, then quit shopping there.
Yes, good point. I generally don't, but I live in a rural town, and they are the only thing open 24hrs. My wife will read it overnight, and I'll get it in the morning.
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Jul 20, 2007, 12:57 PM
 
The wife or the book?
     
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ZING! hhahahaha. Nicely placed man, nicely placed!
     
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Originally Posted by KisforKennedy View Post
Exactly why I don't shop there.
I buy exactly two things at WalMart. Two prescription generic medications. Retail price on both of them is around $20 combined, my copay for generic medications are $10 a pop, and to buy them at WalMart is $8.

Otherwise, I avoid them like the plague. Except sometimes I like to go there after Midnight to watch the weirdos that come out at night.
     
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Originally Posted by Dakarʒ View Post
The wife or the book?
I think it depends on how the book ends.
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I'm happy for all of you PotterHeads.
     
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"We have spoken out strongly against all of the Harry Potter products." Dr. Dobson's rationale for that statement: Magical characters — witches, wizards, ghosts, goblins, werewolves, poltergeists and so on — fill the Harry Potter stories, and given the trend toward witchcraft and New Age ideology in the larger culture, it's difficult to ignore the effects such stories (albeit imaginary) might have on young, impressionable minds.

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Jul 21, 2007, 12:36 AM
 
Dobson's a fool.

Well, just got back from Walmart. It was a huge crowd for books and it appears they were not expecting so many people. Wild.
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I wonder what time Amazon will deliver the pre-orders tomorrow? I'd think they'd start pretty early in the morning...maybe I'll wake up and it will already be here?
     
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Just ignore the nutty Christians. There are normal and reasonable Christians around, you know.
     
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reasonable |ˈriːz(ə)nəb(ə)l|
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Originally Posted by Kerrigan View Post
"We have spoken out strongly against all of the Harry Potter products." Dr. Dobson's rationale for that statement: Magical characters — witches, wizards, ghosts, goblins, werewolves, poltergeists and so on — fill the Harry Potter stories, and given the trend toward witchcraft and New Age ideology in the larger culture, it's difficult to ignore the effects such stories (albeit imaginary) might have on young, impressionable minds.

(emphasis mine)
From a Christian perspective regarding the rise of "isn't it cool, I'm into black metal too don't you know" paganism, he's got a bit of a point.

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Well, just got back from Walmart. It was a huge crowd for books and it appears they were not expecting so many people. Wild.
Wow. Get a grip, people. It's just a crappy over-rated children's book. It's not like it's anything important like Kate Moss-designed underwear or something.
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It's just a crappy over-rated children's book.
You've already read it? Which one of the series did you think was most crappy?
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You've already read it? Which one of the series did you think was most crappy?
You miss the point.

Which was: Mania (of the type surrounding this book) is idiotic.
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You miss the point.

Which was: Mania (of the type surrounding this book) is idiotic.
So you haven't even read it? Why is it crappy and over-rated then?

You don't even seem to know what you are talking about, and if for some reason kids lining up at Barnes & Noble at midnight angers you, you've got some issues.
     
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Point taken, the mania is idiotic, but it is not an over-rated crappy book.
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You don't even seem to know what you are talking about, and if for some reason kids lining up at Barnes & Noble at midnight angers you, you've got some issues.
I'm not the one getting angry here, dude.

And yes, I have issues with the mania surrounding such events. It's not like the book won't be there in the morning, or next week, is it? This whole "got to have it now" mentality is dangerous - it's what's fuelling the credit meltdown in certain western countries. But that's a topic for the pol lounge (conveniently enough, there's one about the credit meltdown already running).
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I'm not the one getting angry here, dude.

And yes, I have issues with the mania surrounding such events. It's not like the book won't be there in the morning, or next week, is it? This whole "got to have it now" mentality is dangerous - it's what's fuelling the credit meltdown in certain western countries. But that's a topic for the pol lounge (conveniently enough, there's one about the credit meltdown already running).
You've never been excited, say, to go to a concert or buy an album, knowing full well that you'll get another shot at it many times in the future? People have been waiting for this book for years. They have every right to be eager to read it when it comes out. It's not like they're mortgaging their houses for a $15 book.
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You've never been excited, say, to go to a concert or buy an album, knowing full well that you'll get another shot at it many times in the future?
Not "line up all night excited". I only line up for things when I know it's the absolute last chance to get a hold of them and I know they'll be in short supply.

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People have been waiting for this book for years. They have every right to be eager to read it when it comes out. It's not like they're mortgaging their houses for a $15 book.
That's fair enough. In isolation.

But I'm seeing a *lot* of this kind of marketing event happening lately (hence allusion to Kate Moss clothes). All strikes me as being a bit odd.

I'll shut up now. Just making an observation. I don't wanna rain on your parades.
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The iPhone mania was stranger, to me at least.
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Originally Posted by KisforKennedy View Post
My wife is dressing up as Ginny and going to a local bookstore to help with the release party at midnight, tonight. She recently reread ALL the books, in order, starting about 1.5 months ago, and finished the last book (prior to the final book) on Tuesday night. She took notes from each book on a notecard, with questions and possibilities for the final book.

Basically, she was being a huge dork. A bunch of her friends are dressing up as other Harry Potter characters.

She's trying to convince me to go as something (I dunno what I'd go as..... skinny dude with dark hair? Whatever), but I keep suggesting "Ninja", "Assault Commando" and "Storm Trooper", but she's not amused with my ideas.

Everyone I know that likes Harry Potter is a completely socially awkward weirdo who can't get laid. I mean, they just need to get a life. I have some friends that like it but they're really weird and kind of messed up. Anyone who likes that is just a moron. Yeah, it's sarcasm.
     
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Everyone I know that likes Harry Potter is a completely socially awkward weirdo who can't get laid. I mean, they just need to get a life. I have some friends that like it but they're really weird and kind of messed up. Anyone who likes that is just a moron. Yeah, it's sarcasm.
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Not "line up all night excited". I only line up for things when I know it's the absolute last chance to get a hold of them and I know they'll be in short supply.
That's strange. I don't really see lining up as a big sacrifice. Like, if you're lining up for a long time, that's crazy, sure. But lining up for a couple of hours isn't even all that inconvenient — there's usually something I was planning to do anyway that I can do while in line, so it's not like I'm giving up a whole lot. Plus it's fun to meet other people who like the same things, particularly when a lot of people think it's a crappy, overrated children's book.

(Though to be honest, I didn't feel like lining up last night myself. I'm off to get my copy now.)
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Anyone else order from Amazon?

I set aside today to read all day (before working tonight), but now I feel like a jackass because I'm waiting on Amazon to deliver when I could have just woken up this morning and picked up a copy no hassle.
     
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I expected itms to have the audiobook. I'm disappointed. I don't really feel like ripping 16 or so audio cds.
     
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Amazon delivered them through USPS, not UPS or Fed-Ex. Check your mail if you haven't already. I was expecting a package at my door but it never came. Checked my mail and there it was. I just finished it an hour ago....
     
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My postman actually called my apartment through the intercom at 1:30PM EDT today to tell me it had arrived. One other girl in my building was already in the ground floor lounge reading her copy.

I also chose free super saver shipping, so I saved some $$ and still got it on release day.
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Mine eventually came at 3ish (EST), but seeing as I had to be at work at 4 I only got the first chapter in before work. Finally home, showered, changed, eaten, and now am going to be able to sit down with the book (only on chapter 4 so far...long ways ahead).

Everyone whos read it like it? Obviously without any details, but overall impressions: fantastic/good/ok/coulda been better?
     
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About chapter ten/eleven (my fiancé is home for the weekend, so reading time was cut short). So far highly entertaining. Well written with a great pacing. My peeve with the series have usually been pacing, but in this last book it seems to be just the right rhythm.

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Finished it yesterday...
 
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Wow. Get a grip, people. It's just a crappy over-rated children's book.
As far as I'm concerned, any long book that tears kids away from TV, video games, and the Internet for a few hours is a winner. Reading builds vocabulary and proper grammar.

I totally called it, though. At least on two of my guesses.

Good book. I think I liked The Goblet of Fire best - I found myself skimming pages on this one and The Half-Blood Prince.

 


As far as Mr. Dobson & co. are concerned, they need to take a look at the Lord of the Rings trilogy and the Chronicles of Narnia books, both of which were written by Christians and designed to have Christian undertones to them (moreso with the Narnia collection). You can illustrate quite a lot of good points about morality and proper behaviour through fantasy novels, and ultimately, the Harry Potter collection does this - it deals with concepts of trust, loyalty, love, and the fallibility of man.

Nothing in those books pushes/promotes anything that is part of modern Wicca or witchcraft - the kids in the book are born with a skill that takes study and time to master, and those who abuse it pay dearly in the end. To discount the books simply because they involve the supernatural (but not in a particularly sinister or Satanic way) is ridiculous. How is Harry becoming a skilled wizard any different from the four kids the The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe being given magical objects by Aslan that have supernatural powers?
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Originally Posted by shifuimam View Post
Nothing in those books pushes/promotes anything that is part of modern Wicca or witchcraft - the kids in the book are born with a skill that takes study and time to master, and those who abuse it pay dearly in the end.
So, exactly the same as witchcraft then.
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Overrated crappy kids book? Yes.
Made a generation read 7 books? Yup.

Anything that promotes reading is from me.
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Originally Posted by shifuimam View Post
As far as Mr. Dobson & co. are concerned, they need to take a look at the Lord of the Rings trilogy and the Chronicles of Narnia books, both of which were written by Christians and designed to have Christian undertones to them (moreso with the Narnia collection).
That's exactly the argument I've used before. It's sad these people make a mockery of themselves by crying about little unimportant things.
     
 
 
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