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goMac · Dec 1, 2006, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

Now we need a graphic that says "At least I tried it" which is more than GoMac can say for the other systems he is such a pro on.

I've tried all the Sony systems. In fact, I'm know to frequently play Guitar Hero and Katamari Damacy. I just don't care to own any of them, and I have my reasons why.

I have nothing against the XBox.

Dark Helmet · Dec 1, 2006, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

I've tried all the Sony systems. In fact, I'm know to frequently play Guitar Hero and Katamari Damacy. I just don't care to own any of them, and I have my reasons why.

I have nothing against the XBox.

So why do you bitch at me when I still buy a Wii and give a fair review of the system? What have I said that is so unreasonable about it since I got it? I gave Nintendo their money which is your major concern so be happy.

BTW here is a fanboy list of what needs changed on the Wii and my issues with it mirror his:
http://gameinformer.com/News/Story/2...581.htm?Page=1

goMac · Dec 1, 2006, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

So why do you bitch at me when I still buy a Wii and give a fair review of the system? What have I said that is so unreasonable about it since I got it? I gave Nintendo their money which is your major concern so be happy.

Because you didn't like it before it was announced, you didn't like it before you bought it, and you still don't like it. Then you expect us to be like "oh swg doesn't like it! Wow!"

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

BTW here is a fanboy list of what needs changed on the Wii and my issues with it mirror his:
http://gameinformer.com/News/Story/2...581.htm?Page=1

The Wii isn't a perfect system, and I think Nintendo will roll in changes over it's lifespan. That's entirely different than saying it is a fundamentally flawed system.

Dark Helmet · Dec 1, 2006, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

Because you didn't like it before it was announced, you didn't like it before you bought it, and you still don't like it.

I didn't say I don't like it now. Just because I mention negatives with it doesn't mean I hate it.

My issues before it came out was: No HD, inaccurate controls, once in a blue moon must have games.

Now that I got it I can see 1 and 2 were correct plus there were some more unexpected downsides and some plus'.

Dakar² · Dec 1, 2006, 09:39 PM

I smell some incredible make-up sex coming after this.

Weezer · Dec 2, 2006, 12:38 AM

must sell 500,000+ ps3 to make a profit? ouch

PS3 Games Must Sell 500,000 to Be Profitable - News at SPOnG.com

icruise · Dec 2, 2006, 01:35 AM

The original article is below. Note that he didn't say that all PS3 games must sell 500,000 copies to make a profit -- just the ones produced by his company. Presumably the costs to produce games varies widely, although costs have certainly increased with the next-gen machines. I think the point of his comment is not to say that the PS3 is doomed or anything (after all, that's 500,000 copies worldwide he's taking about) but rather that a delayed launch like the one we are seeing (with less than 300,000 units shipped so far in Japan and the US combined) makes software makers less likely to want to create software for the PS3. He did also mention that PS3 games are "selling well."

Bloomberg.com: Japan

goMac · Dec 2, 2006, 01:37 AM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

I didn't say I don't like it now. Just because I mention negatives with it doesn't mean I hate it.

My issues before it came out was: No HD, inaccurate controls, once in a blue moon must have games.

Now that I got it I can see 1 and 2 were correct plus there were some more unexpected downsides and some plus'.

I find it absurd how you accuse me of "not trying other platforms" when you were bashing the Wii before you even tried it.

Dark Helmet · Dec 2, 2006, 01:58 AM

Originally Posted by goMac

I find it absurd how you accuse me of "not trying other platforms" when you were bashing the Wii before you even tried it.

So I can have an opinion before I so I can make a choice if I want to buy it when it is released.

You don't have any intention of buying a PS3 or Xbox but you still ramble on about them.

smacintush · Dec 2, 2006, 02:29 AM

Ok, since when is it not OK to criticize something that you don't own? That's just idiotic.

Dark Helmet · Dec 2, 2006, 02:49 AM

Originally Posted by smacintush

Ok, since when is it not OK to criticize something that you don't own? That's just idiotic.

Because he is beating a dead horse. He doesn't want a PS3 or XBOX so he should just drop it and go play with his Wii.

goMac · Dec 2, 2006, 02:50 AM

Originally Posted by smacintush

Ok, since when is it not OK to criticize something that you don't own? That's just idiotic.

SWG told me I shouldn't criticize things I don't own. So I'm asking him why when he does it it's perfectly acceptable, but when I do it it's not.

smacintush · Dec 2, 2006, 03:19 AM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

Because he is beating a dead horse. He doesn't want a PS3 or XBOX so he should just drop it and go play with his Wii.

Well, this is a thread about all three systems. The way I see it he is just participating in the discussion. Why should he drop it? He is giving his opinion in a thread for giving your opinions.

icruise · Dec 2, 2006, 03:42 AM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

Because he is beating a dead horse.

Hello, Pot? I'd like to introduce you to Mr. Kettle.

starman · Dec 2, 2006, 03:45 AM

Originally Posted by goMac

I find it absurd how you accuse me of "not trying other platforms" when you were bashing the Wii before you even tried it.

Ooh, and you weren't doing the same?

goMac · Dec 2, 2006, 04:00 AM

Originally Posted by starman

Ooh, and you weren't doing the same?

: sigh :

That's the point. Thank you Starman for making it for me.

goMac · Dec 2, 2006, 04:02 AM

More on topic... directions for retrofitting a Wii sensor bar to be wireless.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=759093

Gamoe · Dec 2, 2006, 04:42 AM

Originally Posted by Jawbone54

Extraordinarily long load times? Did you even play a game on the PS2 during the second half of it's life span?

Even though I've never owned a PS2, of course I've played many games on it at family and friends' houses. And, yes, I've always felt that the PS2 had long loading times. That's not to say it's not a good/great system, but like all things it has its shortcomings as well.

Originally Posted by Jawbone54

The Dreamcast got off to a good start ... [snip] ... but it was an underpowered system meant to beat the PS2 to the shelves and grab market share...

Originally Posted by jokell82

It was hardly underpowered - in fact it looked a lot better than the PS2 when it was released. The PS2 did mature to be a more powerful system, and later titles did look better, but in the beginning the Dreamcast had the edge.

Quite. But, it's not the the PS2 matured, but rather that game development on the platform matured, as it naturally would have on the Dreamcast as well if it hadn't met an untimely end for whatever reasons.

About VC games on the Wii:

Originally Posted by DuckRacer1

Well, I think it's worth it, considering you don't have to keep around an old console hooked up to your TV to play those old games. Or if you don't have a NES, or N64, or whatever, you can still play those games without having to buy a system.

Of course, it's great, but that doesn't negate the relative pricey-ness of the game and the inability to sell them afterwards.

Originally Posted by icruise

You really can't make judgments about a system from its launch titles in most cases.

Exactly. I think (and hope) we'll see a lot more good-looking games that use the Wii-mote in innovative ways as time goes by and developers get the hang of things (and don't feel rushed to get it out on launch).

Mrjinglesusa · Dec 2, 2006, 01:55 PM

I have to admit, this thread is entertaining. I can't believe "adults" argue over gaming systems. They are all good - just at different things.

I went with the XBox 360 because I like the games, Live, controllers, Marketplace, and Arcade. Was thinking about getting a PS3 but a) it's too expensive (only "feature" for the price is Blu-Ray player) and b) it doesn't offer anything (to me) that I don't get with my current system (aside from the aforementioned Blu-Ray player). Wii is just too limited at this time and there are no games I want to play.

Fact is, the 360 is just now getting games that take advantage of the graphics. Have you seen Gears of War? Best graphics I have ever seen in a video game. Insane.

Bottom line: buy the system that suits your gameplay and needs. No system is "better" (objectively) than the others.

BTW, Gamestop and EB Games have Wiis available for pre-sale online. Says they will ship 12/18.

ink · Dec 2, 2006, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by icruise

Presumably the costs to produce games varies widely, although costs have certainly increased with the next-gen machines.

Would that imply that it is cheaper to develop on the Wii? You have to have much more detailed textures on the PS3 and 360 systems, which implies more expensive artistic acumen. This may also imply that more of the experimental games will come out on the Wii (less investment required). Which, in turn, implies a lot of stinkers among the gems.

Assuming the Wii reaches market criticality, of course.

It's going to be an interesting generation. Nintendo is breaking all the rules.

icruise · Dec 2, 2006, 04:03 PM

Yes, the article I linked says that the Wii is about half as expensive to develop for as the PS3. But of course these are just generalizations. I'm sure there will be cheaper games on the PS3 and more expensive games on the Wii (from a development standpoint). There's no way that craptastic Gundam game cost Bandai as much to make as Ridge Racer, for example.

the_glassman · Dec 2, 2006, 05:21 PM

Gran Turismo HD has been cancelled for the PS3. That's the nail in the coffin for me. Off to Xbox 360 and Forza 2 I go!

Peter · Dec 2, 2006, 05:30 PM

if by cancelled you mean a free download

the_glassman · Dec 2, 2006, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by Peter

if by cancelled you mean a free download

A demo does not make it a game. Nice try.

icruise · Dec 2, 2006, 05:46 PM

I haven't really been following this very closely, but as I understand it they decided to shelve Gran Turismo HD so they could work on Gran Turismo 5. Is that a very different game or what? Or do people just not want to wait for it?

goMac · Dec 2, 2006, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by Peter

if by cancelled you mean a free download

Ah yes. It will only have 2 tracks and 10 cars.

This long and they've only done 2 tracks?

But for all intensive purposes, it's a demo.

Peter · Dec 2, 2006, 06:01 PM

basically wii owners wont ever say a nice thing about the ps3 and visa versa

goMac · Dec 2, 2006, 06:10 PM

The Japanese VC selection is far less sucky than the US selection:

http://www.siliconera.com/index.php/...-console-shop/

starman · Dec 2, 2006, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by icruise

I haven't really been following this very closely, but as I understand it they decided to shelve Gran Turismo HD so they could work on Gran Turismo 5.

Yup, you're right.

goMac · Dec 2, 2006, 06:22 PM

Wii has crossed the 1,000,000 sold mark:

NexGen Wars - who will win? you decide.

starman · Dec 2, 2006, 07:24 PM

A chart with no source? Yeah, that's reliable.

icruise · Dec 2, 2006, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by Peter

basically wii owners wont ever say a nice thing about the ps3 and visa versa

I like 'em both. Actually, all three.

goMac · Dec 2, 2006, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by starman

A chart with no source? Yeah, that's reliable.

Nintendo's Japan launch was 400,000 units, they sold out. Nintendo's U.S. launch was 400,000, they sold out. That's 800,000 at least just due to launches. The numbers check out.

Eug Wanker · Dec 2, 2006, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

Wii has crossed the 1,000,000 sold mark:

NexGen Wars - who will win? you decide.

The numbers there are just educated guesses, and often need to be readjusted significantly.

For example, according to Microsoft, the Xbox 360 already reached the 8 million mark last week.

starman · Dec 2, 2006, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by icruise

I like 'em both. Actually, all three.

Isn't that what I said when this thread started? It's amazing what people will pull out to make you look bad.

starman · Dec 2, 2006, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

Nintendo's Japan launch was 400,000 units, they sold out. Nintendo's U.S. launch was 400,000, they sold out. That's 800,000 at least just due to launches. The numbers check out.

Really? Hmmm. My math shows 1million != 800k. I learned in second grade that all charts need a source reference.

EDIT: my point - nothing about a million here:

Nintendo Wii

goMac · Dec 2, 2006, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by starman

Really? Hmmm. My math shows 1million != 800k. I learned in second grade that all charts need a source reference.

We're post launch now in the U.S. so they've been shipping more units past the initial 400k, and those have been selling out too. I'd say we have to be at at least 1 mil.

goMac · Dec 2, 2006, 08:05 PM

Another source says Nintendo is selling 78k Wii's a day, which co-oberates the other numbers. Add on the extra 400k today from the Japan launch.

78,000 WII CONSOLES SOLD EVERY DAY || RETROTHINKING.COM ||

Jawbone54 · Dec 2, 2006, 08:07 PM

AND there is one particular Wii on sale on eBay right now, which is sure to add to that number.

Feel free to bid.

Eug Wanker · Dec 2, 2006, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

Another source says Nintendo is selling 78k Wii's a day, which co-oberates the other numbers. Add on the extra 400k today from the Japan launch.

78,000 WII CONSOLES SOLD EVERY DAY || RETROTHINKING.COM ||

It doesn't look like they have a reliable source, and they are just guessing like the rest of us.

I think 1 million is a reasonable estimate, but I don't think that that site really provides us any additional support for that belief.

fhoubi · Dec 2, 2006, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by Peter

if by cancelled you mean a free download

Bet that demo will be as lousy as GT 4 Prologue, where you can do only up to 3 laps in a row... Sony has lost it for me.

Jawbone54 · Dec 3, 2006, 01:20 AM

This thread is dying. C'mon, guys! Hang in there!

itai195 · Dec 3, 2006, 01:34 AM

Originally Posted by goMac

Another source says Nintendo is selling 78k Wii's a day, which co-oberates the other numbers. Add on the extra 400k today from the Japan launch.

co-oberates?

Dark Helmet · Dec 3, 2006, 01:34 AM

Ok I saw a PS3 in store the other day... it is waaay bigger than I thought it would be. It isn't that much bigger than an Xbox but it LOOKS much bigger.

That said is is also really slick looking. The Wii and Xbox both have the white apple look but it still looks like cheap plastic. The PS3 definitely screams power and sleek and stands out against the other systems.

smacintush · Dec 3, 2006, 02:15 AM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

Ok I saw a PS3 in store the other day... it is waaay bigger than I thought it would be. It isn't that much bigger than an Xbox but it LOOKS much bigger.

That said is is also really slick looking. The Wii and Xbox both have the white apple look but it still looks like cheap plastic. The PS3 definitely screams power and sleek and stands out against the other systems.

I'll give you that one.

Damn shame too…

Chuckit · Dec 3, 2006, 02:21 AM

I still don't think the PS3 looks sleek. It's not that it's black, but the shiny plastic and strange curve of it just makes me think of one of the eggs pantyhose comes in or something.

goMac · Dec 3, 2006, 02:24 AM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

I still don't think the PS3 looks sleek. It's not that it's black, but the shiny plastic and strange curve of it just makes me think of one of the eggs pantyhose comes in or something.

The curved top makes it impossible to put anything on top of the PS3.

the_glassman · Dec 3, 2006, 02:27 AM

smacintush · Dec 3, 2006, 02:29 AM

Originally Posted by goMac

The curved top makes it impossible to put anything on top of the PS3.

Why would you want to put anything on top of it?

smacintush · Dec 3, 2006, 02:29 AM

Originally Posted by the_glassman

Xbox is a little WHITE but it looks pretty good anyway.