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gorickey · Jan 30, 2004, 11:56 PM

I've heard that the rendering speed is actually much better due to some major cache problems/issues resolved....WOO HOO!

zachs · 12:14 AM

Yes, the rendering speed has been much improved.

Also, items in the Downloads window can now be individually selected and removed.

Also, if you are at a website and you type something in the location field, the Escape key lets you remove any changes you made.

And you can also see time remaining in the downloads window:

fortepianissimo · Jan 31, 2004, 12:11 AM

Ok, any update to Mail.app? Bug fixes to the crashing junk filter?

gorickey · Jan 31, 2004, 12:20 AM

Originally posted by Krypton:
There is no resume function.

False. There is such feature...

BurpetheadX · Jan 31, 2004, 01:13 AM

I wonder if the OpenGL and Graphics updates finally mean RagePro support for the older Macs??

mikemako · Jan 31, 2004, 03:53 AM

Were they able to fix the bug that occurs if moving the mouse around while logging out? The cursor will freeze until restart. This bug was introduced with 10.3.2.

nobitacu · Jan 31, 2004, 05:03 AM

For people who as downloaded and tested the Betas, they said they haven't really found any problems yet and is pretty stable... That's good news, maybe this testing period will only last a little bit, like 2 weeks or so, than we can all download the final version when it's out.

Ming

Krypton · Jan 31, 2004, 06:50 AM

Originally posted by gorickey:
False. There is such feature...

Well it says resume, but it still reloads the download from scratch for me.

Does resume work for anyone who installed the whole 10.3.3 update? I just extracted Safari and webkit so that may explain the oddity.

Simon · Jan 31, 2004, 07:06 AM

Originally posted by zachs:
And you can also see time remaining in the downloads window:

Ah shucks, does this mean Safari doesn't show the current d/l speed anymore (like "10s remaining" instead of "156kB/s")?

Hope there's an option...

WJMoore · Jan 31, 2004, 07:07 AM

Originally posted by handras:
What? I don't remember this IE feature... I never seen animated icon in XP.

Sorry for my bad english

They were referring to explorer:mac.

Simon · 07:17 AM

Originally posted by Horsepoo!!!:
Well to give MS some credit, this icon feedback feature was available in IE years ago.

Originally posted by WJMoore:
They were referring to explorer:mac.

But once again, MS is getting credit for something they just copied (or, more correctly: stole) from somebody else.

IIRC iCab had that progress bar in the icon before IE. I'm not saying they invented it, but I'm pretty sure they had it before IE on the Mac...

nobitacu · Jan 31, 2004, 07:48 AM

So, has anyone here who's using 10.3.3 and Safari 1.2 experiencing any problems after they installed it? We need some more feed back on the betas and overall changes. Anyway someone can list all of the changes?

Thanks,

Ming

Diggory Laycock · Jan 31, 2004, 08:01 AM

I'd be interested to know if the new version of Safari displays Flash files - as far as I can tell in the current version It will play flash as part of a page - but if you open the URL of a .swf file then it just shows a blank page.

[edit]

Oh -- and that download feature is nice. Not just in a UI way - but also because it adds a .download extension to the files - so AppleScript folder actions looking for new files with a certain extension will not get them until the file is completely downloaded.

Elegant.

proton · Jan 31, 2004, 08:31 AM

Originally posted by BurpetheadX:
I wonder if the OpenGL and Graphics updates finally mean RagePro support for the older Macs??

One of the 10.2 updates added 2D acceleration support for the Rage Pro cards. That's all your going to get: deal with it.

I did, I got a G5

- proton

dr. zoidberg · Jan 31, 2004, 08:37 AM

wow! seems like a very nice update so safari. "save as ..." was more than just overdue. improved rendering speed you say? i say woohooo!!! on the g5 i already have the impression that safari is faster than i am...!

pat++ · Jan 31, 2004, 09:07 AM

Can anyone please test this in 10.3.3 :

open terminal, and type the following command:

touch ~/Desktop/file.txt

Does the file appear on the desktop automatically, or do you still need to click on the desktop for the file to appear?
Thanks.

SMacTech · Jan 31, 2004, 09:56 AM

Originally posted by pat++:
Can anyone please test this in 10.3.3 :

open terminal, and type the following command:

touch ~/Desktop/file.txt

Does the file appear on the desktop automatically, or do you still need to click on the desktop for the file to appear?
Thanks.

No, it doesn't.

mrchin · Jan 31, 2004, 10:56 AM

Does Safari not appear to everyone in the ADC? I've got 10.3.3 in my download choices for new software, but Safari does not appear.

Nexus5 · Jan 31, 2004, 11:11 AM

https connections are MUCH faster with Safari 1.2. This is great!

Nexus5

gorickey · Jan 31, 2004, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by mrchin:
Does Safari not appear to everyone in the ADC? I've got 10.3.3 in my download choices for new software, but Safari does not appear.

Safari v1.2 is included inside of 10.3.3, they are not separate downloads as far as I know...

gorickey · Jan 31, 2004, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by Simon:
Ah shucks, does this mean Safari doesn't show the current d/l speed anymore (like "10s remaining" instead of "156kB/s")?

Hope there's an option...

Hmm, good point...I would want to see both pieces of information as well; however, it looks that the d/l speed is no longer present...

gorickey · Jan 31, 2004, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by Krypton:
Well it says resume, but it still reloads the download from scratch for me.

I apologize, you are correct with that behavior, sorry about that! However, surely that will change...

gorickey · Jan 31, 2004, 11:59 AM

Also, not sure if this has been mentioned yet; however, when you close all open tabs now (and don't have the tab bar showing always) Safari's window size will remain, and not shrink up like it did before....

Sven G · Jan 31, 2004, 12:00 PM

Not sure if this has been covered before, but it would be very cool to have some form of download percentage indicator in the download manager (as in Mozilla and Konqueror), so one can minimize the little window and see the progress directly in the Dock. There should also be a unified look for the Finder "copy" and the Safari "download" windows, in order to avoid too much redundancy and have a coherent, system-wide interface...

Oneota · Jan 31, 2004, 12:28 PM

Originally posted by gorickey:
I apologize, you are correct with that behavior, sorry about that! However, surely that will change...

If the server you're downloading from supports the resume function, the file resumes. If it doesn't, it starts from scratch. It's all dependent on the server you're downloading from.

gorickey · Jan 31, 2004, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by Sven G:
Not sure if this has been covered before, but it would be very cool to have some form of download percentage indicator in the download manager (as in Mozilla and Konqueror), so one can minimize the little window and see the progress directly in the Dock. There should also be a unified look for the Finder "copy" and the Safari "download" windows, in order to avoid too much redundancy and have a coherent, system-wide interface...

Well, you don't need that when you now have this that shows on the desktop (includes an indicator):

handras · Jan 31, 2004, 12:34 PM

gorickey · Jan 31, 2004, 12:35 PM

Originally posted by Oneota:
If the server you're downloading from supports the resume function, the file resumes. If it doesn't, it starts from scratch. It's all dependent on the server you're downloading from.

Don't Apple's servers support that (it's built into Software Update)? If so, I don't get it resume on their servers either...

BurpetheadX · Jan 31, 2004, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by proton:
One of the 10.2 updates added 2D acceleration support for the Rage Pro cards. That's all your going to get: deal with it.

I did, I got a G5

- proton

So, if they added 2D support in Jaguar then why not finish it off with the nice Quartz engine in 10.3 with OpenGL support? It can still happen!

Krypton · Jan 31, 2004, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by gorickey:
Don't Apple's servers support that (it's built into Software Update)? If so, I don't get it resume on their servers either...

I agree: it's non functional with all servers at present.

zachs · Jan 31, 2004, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by Simon:
Ah shucks, does this mean Safari doesn't show the current d/l speed anymore (like "10s remaining" instead of "156kB/s")?

Hope there's an option...

It is. You option-click on the status info to toggle between time remaining and speed.

And lookie what we have here:

MPMoriarty · Jan 31, 2004, 01:57 PM

A big question for me is...

How is network browsing?

Does it appear as if most of the weird networking bugs that have been in Panther have been fixed?

gorickey · Jan 31, 2004, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by zachs:
It is. You option-click on the status info to toggle between time remaining and speed.

msuper69 · Jan 31, 2004, 03:33 PM

Originally posted by handras:
What? I don't remember this IE feature... I never seen animated icon in XP.

Sorry for my bad english

Don't know (and don't care) about IE in XP, but IE for the Mac has had the little progress bar in the downloading item icon for as long as I can remember.

Way before OS X was available.

z|gzag · Jan 31, 2004, 04:25 PM

Originally posted by msuper69:
Don't know (and don't care) about IE in XP, but IE for the Mac has had the little progress bar in the downloading item icon for as long as I can remember.

Way before OS X was available.

Sorry to go O/T here, but i don't know where else to ask... On my OS 9 machine, IE doesn't show these progress icons... any idea on what's wrong and what can i do to make it show? The icons are currently blank sheets of paper.

And back on topic... I think this is great, finally some new features... The Function keys option is going to be especially useful. I hope networking is fixed!

ryju · Jan 31, 2004, 04:42 PM

Originally posted by MPMoriarty:
A big question for me is...

How is network browsing?

Does it appear as if most of the weird networking bugs that have been in Panther have been fixed?

I would also like to know this, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

Oneota · Jan 31, 2004, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by z|gzag:
Sorry to go O/T here, but i don't know where else to ask... On my OS 9 machine, IE doesn't show these progress icons... any idea on what's wrong and what can i do to make it show? The icons are currently blank sheets of paper.

Sounds like a rebuild of your desktop is in order - hold down Command and Option after the Extensions are done marching across the screen, just before the Finder launches. The Mac'll ask if you want to rebuild the Desktop. Say OK.

gorickey · Jan 31, 2004, 06:24 PM

Originally posted by Diggory Laycock:
I'd be interested to know if the new version of Safari displays Flash files - as far as I can tell in the current version It will play flash as part of a page - but if you open the URL of a .swf file then it just shows a blank page.

Give me something to test this with...

alphasubzero949 · Jan 31, 2004, 06:30 PM

Here's a question to those with 10.3.3...

For those of us who applied the BootCacheControl hack (using the symbolic link method), do we need to delete the link prior to installing it?

Does 10.3.3 fix this issue?

Webscreamer · 06:49 PM

Questions:

1) Is banking better? For me, American Century site doesn't operate correctly on 1.1.1...

2) Do icons get scrambled still in the Finder?

3) Do text shadows on the Desktop still get choppy?

4) Do Finder Prefs window still not remember your last location?(not really a big deal)

5) Most Important: Are applications more stable? I get more application crashes in 10.3 than any version of OS X, ever.

nickm · Jan 31, 2004, 07:54 PM

Well it says resume, but it still reloads the download from scratch for me.

Resumable downloads have to be supported by the server; perhaps the server you're using doesn't support them?

z|gzag · Jan 31, 2004, 08:05 PM

Originally posted by Oneota:
Sounds like a rebuild of your desktop is in order - hold down Command and Option after the Extensions are done marching across the screen, just before the Finder launches. The Mac'll ask if you want to rebuild the Desktop. Say OK.

Thanks Oneota! That did it

OwlBoy · Jan 31, 2004, 08:08 PM

Originally posted by nickm:
Resumable downloads have to be supported by the server; perhaps the server you're using doesn't support them?

Good point, try a few servers and see what happens.

The video someone posted appeared to show it resuming.

-Owl

Targon · Jan 31, 2004, 09:49 PM

Originally posted by gorickey:
Well, you don't need that when you now have this that shows on the desktop (includes an indicator):

oh yeah ? and if your download folder is NOT the desktop u dont get to see it do u

Horsepoo!!! · Jan 31, 2004, 09:55 PM

Originally posted by Targon:
oh yeah ? and if your download folder is NOT the desktop u dont get to see it do u

Who really cares...keep the download manager window open and use Expos� if seeing download percent completion is so important.

Targon · Jan 31, 2004, 09:56 PM

Originally posted by z|gzag:
Sorry to go O/T here, but i don't know where else to ask... On my OS 9 machine, IE doesn't show these progress icons... any idea on what's wrong and what can i do to make it show? The icons are currently blank sheets of paper.

And back on topic... I think this is great, finally some new features... The Function keys option is going to be especially useful. I hope networking is fixed!

rebuild the desktop?

i remember IE 4.01 had this progress indicator for files downloading.

iCab had it way before that tho.

btw has the max of 3 concurrent file download limit been lifted in Safari 1.2?

is there 'back/forward' items in the context menu when clicking in a page (not on a url or image) ?

Targon · Jan 31, 2004, 10:03 PM

Originally posted by Horsepoo!!!:
Who really cares...keep the download manager window open and use Expos� if seeing download percent completion is so important.

obviously there are a few ppl here that care else they wouldn't have mentioned it...u want me to go back an list the ppl that care?

or Apple could have made the download manager window resizable to a much smaller dimension besides on a powerbook with 1024x768 everything is fsckin HUGE, we don't have much space.

zachs · Jan 31, 2004, 10:13 PM

Originally posted by Webscreamer:
Questions:

1) Is banking better? For me, American Century site doesn't operate correctly on 1.1.1...

2) Do icons get scrambled still in the Finder?

3) Do text shadows on the Desktop still get choppy?

4) Do Finder Prefs window still not remember your last location?(not really a big deal)

5) Most Important: Are applications more stable? I get more application crashes in 10.3 than any version of OS X, ever.

1. Don't know. If you tell me what goes wrong I can check.

2. I haven't been using it long enough to determine that.

3. Again, don't know. Is there any way to reproduce it? (I know what you mean, just don't know how to test it.)

4. Nope.

5. Well so far, yes. But I'll have to use it for a while longer and then I'll know.

Horsepoo!!! · Jan 31, 2004, 10:25 PM

Originally posted by Targon:
obviously there are a few ppl here that care else they wouldn't have mentioned it...u want me to go back an list the ppl that care?

or Apple could have made the download manager window resizable to a much smaller dimension besides on a powerbook with 1024x768 everything is fsckin HUGE, we don't have much space.

Apple can't start putting features for a 'few ppl here that care'. Apple is out to satisfy a large number of people and can't be bothered adding a feature that can be taken care of by either watching the icons progress, the download manager window itself or the window Expos�ed on the screen. Else, if everyone got Apple to include their 'better way', they're would be like 24 different ways to view your download progresses.

Sorry if this all sounds harsh...but it's a harsh reality you and a few will have to live with.

Maybe Omni will help you out though.