[voyageur]

...It may have been the Australians!
Link
New analysis of skull shape suggests aboriginal Australians may have preceded the ancestors of Native Americans by thousands of years.

Gonzalez believes the lost tribe of immigrants, known as the Pericues, are related to modern Australian Aborigines, who have a similar skull shape, and that they became extinct between 200 and 300 years ago. "There are eighteenth century reports from missionaries in Baja California of thin, hunter-gatherer, shellfish-eating people," says Gonzalez. "These seafaring travellers would have followed a corridor around the Pacific coast from Australia, along the coast of Japan, to Baja."

[TETENAL]

I think it was Amerigo Vespucci.

[turtle777]

Can't be.

Australia wasn't even discovered before 1770 !



-t

[Shaddim]

In elementary school I was taught that it was Leif Erickson (despite the BS about Columbus written in our textbooks).

[rjenkinson]

Originally posted by voyageur:
...It may have been the Australians!
Link
New analysis of skull shape suggests aboriginal Australians may have preceded the ancestors of Native Americans by thousands of years.

then why wouldn't people find those types of skulls along the route to north america, in japan, russia, alaska, and so on? it seems a bit odd to make such a long journey and not leave any other evidence along the way.

-r.

[phoenixboy70]

Originally posted by rjenkinson:
then why wouldn't people find those types of skulls along the route to north america, in japan, russia, alaska, and so on? it seems a bit odd to make such a long journey and not leave any other evidence along the way.

-r.

the came over in spaceships! *duh*

[Powaqqatsi]

the Canadians

[PacHead]

I'm rooting for the Vikings, since I am part viking.

[voyageur]

Originally posted by rjenkinson:
then why wouldn't people find those types of skulls along the route to north america, in japan, russia, alaska, and so on? it seems a bit odd to make such a long journey and not leave any other evidence along the way.

Apparently they do match skulls of people in Southeast Asia as well as Australia; and they are different from those in Siberia (the presumptive origins of the other Native Americans). But it's a good question why they haven't found more skulls along the rest of the suggested route. The alleged Australian immigrants seem to have been less successful in populating the continent than the Siberian immigrants, so perhaps that's why fewer skulls of their type have been found.

It'll be interesting to see whether the theory holds up after they do the DNA comparison of the two groups.

[Powaqqatsi]

Originally posted by voyageur:
Apparently they do match skulls of people in Southeast Asia as well as Australia; and they are different from those in Siberia (the presumptive origins of the other Native Americans). But it's a good question why they haven't found more skulls along the rest of the suggested route. The alleged Australian immigrants seem to have been less successful in populating the continent than the Siberian immigrants, so perhaps that's why fewer skulls of their type have been found.

It'll be interesting to see whether the theory holds up after they do the DNA comparison of the two groups.

They can still recover DNA from those skulls ?

[turtle777]

Originally posted by Powaqqatsi:
They can still recover DNA from those skulls ?

I'm not sure if the Australiens had DNA back then ?



-t

[Powaqqatsi]

Originally posted by turtle777:
I'm not sure if the Australiens had DNA back then ?



-t

[TubaMuffins]

Originally posted by Powaqqatsi:

yea, DNA wasnt invented until a little before the OJ Simpson case, right?

[iMOTOR]

Pacific coast from Australia, along the coast of Japan, to Baja."

the coast of Japan takes you directly to Baja?? wow!

[Millennium]

Originally posted by turtle777:
I'm not sure if the Australiens had DNA back then ?

Of course they did, but DNA has a tendency to decay over the years unless it is preserved. It is very difficult to obtain DNA from bodies dating back thousands of years.

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by Millennium:
Of course they did, but DNA has a tendency to decay over the years unless it is preserved. It is very difficult to obtain DNA from bodies dating back thousands of years.

Excuse Millennium, he's a little humor-impaired today...

[turtle777]

Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
Excuse Millennium, he's a little humor-impaired today...

Haha ! His post made me *rotfl* so hard...
Thanks, millenium !

-t

[The Windozer]

Leif Eriksson, proud Viking, was the first to discover America!
True, there were people there already who had been living there for thousands and thousands of years, but I like to think they didn't as much "discover" America as they sort of just... Came there.

[Xeo]

Originally posted by The Windozer:
Leif Eriksson, proud Viking, was the first to discover America!
True, there were people there already who had been living there for thousands and thousands of years, but I like to think they didn't as much "discover" America as they sort of just... Came there.

That's an odd first-and-only post.

[turtle777]

Originally posted by Xeo:
That's an odd first-and-only post.

Didn't even introduce himself...

-t

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by Xeo:
That's an odd first-and-only post.

I guess he's been lurking and this thread finally hit a nerve.

[turtle777]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
I guess he's been lurking and this thread finally hit a nerve.

Too realistic, try again !

-t

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by Xeo:
That's an odd first-and-only post.

"Making sense is overrated"

"Windozer"...lurker and possible future switcher?

In any case, welcome Windozer!

-s*

[CMYKid]

who cares, we own it now.

[turtle777]

Originally posted by CMYKid:
who cares, we own it now.

-t

[Beewee]

Aliens discovered it first.

[mindwaves]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0060...44#reader-link

[effgee]

Who Really Discovered America?

... Al Gore ?

[ringo]

Discovery is relative. Lots of people "discovered" America by noticing that it was there.

Who discovered Europe? Who discovered Africa? Nobody bothers to ask because they were "already there", but so was America.

[iREZ]

No way dude, America just appeared outta nowhere due to some sort of seismic activity and the people who inhabited antarctica decided it was better to live somewhere warm rather then somewhere cold. So they just hopped on a glacier and road it to what is now chil�.

[Mrjinglesusa]

Originally posted by effgee:
... Al Gore ?

Don't be silly. You are obviously confused - he discovered the INTERNET.

[MacGorilla]

It was colonized by people from Sirius. Duh.

[CMYKid]

Sirius=old and busted.

XM=new hotness.

[RonnieoftheRose]

Did anyone read the book about Chinese merchants arriving in the Americas in the 11th century?

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by iREZ:
No way dude, America just appeared outta nowhere due to some sort of seismic activity and the people who inhabited antarctica decided it was better to live somewhere warm rather then somewhere cold. So they just hopped on a glacier and road it to what is now chil�.

creative geology

[MacMan4000]

Who Really Discovered America?

Bob Marley

[angaq0k]

Originally posted by voyageur:
...It may have been the Australians!
Link
New analysis of skull shape suggests aboriginal Australians may have preceded the ancestors of Native Americans by thousands of years.

Through these forums, I discover America every day...

[historylme]

They have actually found some tools and skull shapes from the same proto-Australian aboriginal in South America

[andi*pandi]

very interesting... thanks for posting!

especially when you consider everything was once one big land mass... just sometimes history is cool.

[John F. Smith]

injuns didn't discover anything, they just wandered their way to america, without knowing or caring where they were

[E's Lil Theorem]

I personally discovered America in 1979

Originally posted by John F. Smith:
injuns didn't discover anything, they just wandered their way to america, without knowing or caring where they were

Columbus "discovered" America in a similar fashion.

[RonnieoftheRose]

Nothing existed before 1971. It's all a film set. The props were added that year.

[John F. Smith]

Originally posted by E's Lil Theorem:
I personally discovered America in 1979

Columbus "discovered" America in a similar fashion.

you know, the interstate seems pretty dull, imagine how dull it would have been to be on columbus's ships.. "are we there yet?" "who knows.. we'll be there in a few months"

[olePigeon]

The oldest human partial skeleton discovered in North America was related to the Ainu who now live near Japan. Been there since about 7000 B.C. Around 1000 A.D., Norse settlers made a temporary camp, but did not colonize. Columbus came by later in 1492. Then James Town was founded in 1607. That's about it.

[Kitschy]

Ancient peoples of the Middle East found their way over here. They were smart. They knew how to build stuff (see pyramids, sphinx, temples, monuments that are still around to this day...) They created written language (phonics...phoenicians). They traveled from fertile crescent after the great flood with chariots. The Phoenicians were well known for their shipping trade 1000-ish BC. They traded all over the Mediterranean Sea and as far as present day England. There is actually some evidence to support the idea that Phoenicians traveled their way over to the Americas.

http://phoenicia.org/america.html

That's a very interesting link by the way.

Here's my theory. The darker skinned nature of Middle Easterners isn't that much different than the darker skinned nature of what we know as Native Americans. What if ancient day Phoenicians were the real "explorers" and they "discovered" America a long time ago? And Native Americans today are simply old school Middle Easterners.

Doing a google search on "Phoenicians" and "Americas" reveals lotsa interesting information.

[Oisín]

Originally posted by The Windozer:
Leif Eriksson, proud Viking, was the first to discover America!
True, there were people there already who had been living there for thousands and thousands of years, but I like to think they didn't as much "discover" America as they sort of just... Came there.

As others have said, nice first post, Windozer (another one, heh)

And nice to see someone actually spelling Leif Eriksson's name correctly.

Velkommen til forumet som medlem (ja, jeg vet at norsken min suger)

[CMYKid]

Originally posted by RonnieoftheRose:
Nothing existed before 1971. It's all a film set. The props were added that year.

i thought that was just when they added the color.

[Disgruntled Head of C-3PO]

It was Zimphire.

[Luca Rescigno]

I read a book called "They All Discovered America" and learned about many interesting possibilities. Of course, the farther back you go, the more sketchy and uncertain the evidence becomes. There is some evidence that the Phoenecians could have visited America, in the form of heiroglyphs depicting what appears to be a Phoenician ship, as well as the presence of Phoenician coins.

Later, there was the Chinese monk Hoei Shin, who may have visited in 499 AD. And for more hard, physical evidence, there is some pre-colonial architecture in New England, left centuries earlier by Norse peoples.

EDIT: Here's that structure I was thinking of:

[argod]

http://www.1421.tv/