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iCapture
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Dec 28, 2007, 09:17 PM
 
I have slow internet. And its not like I am wanting T4, but i was just curious how much a month it is. Is it wireless? Or with that kind of speed do you need to hardwired?

I saw somewhere that you are looking at 254-255 Mbps with that kind of connection...now thats fast.
     
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Dec 28, 2007, 09:32 PM
 
Uh…what is T4? Google tells me nothing.
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Dec 28, 2007, 09:37 PM
 
Don't you have enough porn already?
http://forums.macnn.com/82/applicati...8/#post3466238

     
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Dec 28, 2007, 10:27 PM
 
Originally Posted by Cold Warrior View Post
Don't you have enough porn already?
http://forums.macnn.com/82/applicati...8/#post3466238

Outstanding response.
     
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Dec 28, 2007, 10:29 PM
 
BTW, if you must have more speed, I believe I recall that company that offers free internet speed measuring offers T1 etc. along with pricing.
     
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Dec 28, 2007, 10:59 PM
 
Originally Posted by iCapture View Post
I saw somewhere that you are looking at 254-255 Mbps with that kind of connection...now thats fast.
Sorry, not possible at the consumer level.
     
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Dec 28, 2007, 11:14 PM
 
And where will you find interesting material that can download to you at that speed anyway. [ not these forums for sure ]
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Dec 29, 2007, 02:03 AM
 
You would have to move out of the US to find dramatically faster speeds it seems.

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Dec 29, 2007, 02:52 AM
 
No, there is no place on this planet where you can get an OC-12 (Basically the smallest line that will support the link you want) hooked up to a residence. Maybe you could pay to have the line laid yourself, but honestly, you're talking the bandwidth an entire mid-sized ISP would have.
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Dec 29, 2007, 05:38 AM
 
No, there is no place on this planet where you can get an OC-12 (Basically the smallest line that will support the link you want) hooked up to a residence.
When you're looking at a link that size, it doesn't matter where you want it hooked up, if you're willing to pay for it.

Just as a reference point, a T1 line (around 1.5Mbps) will cost between $300 and $400 a month, not including installation costs. You can get 6Mbps cable in a lot of places for less than $50 a month. The difference is that you get 1.5Mbps guaranteed in both directions with the T1, can do pretty much whatever you want with it, and have an SLA so you have a right to complain if it ever goes down or dips below your allotted bandwidth.

An OC-12 will be waaay out of the average person's price range.
     
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Dec 29, 2007, 05:58 AM
 
Originally Posted by ibookuser2 View Post
When you're looking at a link that size, it doesn't matter where you want it hooked up, if you're willing to pay for it.

Just as a reference point, a T1 line (around 1.5Mbps) will cost between $300 and $400 a month, not including installation costs.
Which is an unjustifiable expense (to a hilarious degree) for your average porn obsessed internet junkie. Something tells me we're talking cable or ADSL here.... it might help if the OP gave us his location so someone can offer some info that might actually help him.

That or google.... for example: Broadband internet providers in Seattle, WA
     
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Dec 29, 2007, 01:08 PM
 
If you have the cash you can get any type of connection you want. I'm not sure what type of line it is, but I do know a very wealthy person in these parts who has somewhere north of 250Mb service in his home. He's a commodities broker, makes >$20M /yr, and works almost exclusively from his house*.


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Dec 30, 2007, 08:29 AM
 
Originally Posted by King Bob On The Cob View Post
No, there is no place on this planet where you can get an OC-12 (Basically the smallest line that will support the link you want) hooked up to a residence.
I dare to differ:

Swedish granny gets 40Gbps broadband line - 13 Jul 2007 - Computing

However, not too widely available.
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Dec 30, 2007, 12:40 PM
 
Also, it's important to keep in mind that no matter how fast your connection is, the other guy has to serve it up as fast or it's not going to make a difference. If I'm on a 20Mbps line and the guy I'm downloading the file from is only uploading @ 56kbps, my top download speed is 56Kpbs.

On a side note about the evils of the local phone company. Across from where I work, they offer 1.5Mbps DSL for around $40... but mysteriously, that's not available at my building. They can only sell us a T1...
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Dec 31, 2007, 03:40 AM
 
Originally Posted by SirCastor View Post
On a side note about the evils of the local phone company. Across from where I work, they offer 1.5Mbps DSL for around $40... but mysteriously, that's not available at my building. They can only sell us a T1...
"Across from where I work, they offer 1.5Mbps DSL for around $40" = consumer
"Not available at my building" because you are not a consumer but a commercial user, maybe ?

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Dec 31, 2007, 06:18 AM
 
I think he meant where he lives by “my building”, not where he works.
     
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Dec 31, 2007, 10:21 AM
 
No, I meant the office. The point was that the phone company says they haven't deployed it at our office, but it's available across the street. I guess I didn't mention that. The end point is this: The Phone company has a technology they can sell us at $40/month, but instead tries to sell us a technology @ ~$500/month.

When we ask about it, the reason they offer for no DSL is that it hasn't been deployed where we are yet. It's a load of bull because they're more interested in making the $500 than the $40. It's business, I know. But come on...
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Originally Posted by SirCastor View Post
No, I meant the office. The point was that the phone company says they haven't deployed it at our office, but it's available across the street. I guess I didn't mention that. The end point is this: The Phone company has a technology they can sell us at $40/month, but instead tries to sell us a technology @ ~$500/month.

When we ask about it, the reason they offer for no DSL is that it hasn't been deployed where we are yet. It's a load of bull because they're more interested in making the $500 than the $40. It's business, I know. But come on...
But even IF they had deployed DSL to your office building, you would NOT get the same $ 40 rate that private end users would get. You would need to subscribe to a more expensive business rate.

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Dec 31, 2007, 03:42 PM
 
Right, and that's my point. They're selling the same service, with little difference in value for a greater price. It's ridiculous.
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Originally Posted by SirCastor View Post
Right, and that's my point. They're selling the same service, with little difference in value for a greater price. It's ridiculous.
Well, IMO, that's ok, or at least, the lesser evil. Otherwise, all the private rates would go up.

Compare it to airline tickets, and the huge difference in business to coach class. The coach class fare does NOT cover the all the associated cost, the airlines subsidize coach with the fares from business.

I really don't want to go down that road and have that changed...

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Originally Posted by turtle777 View Post
Well, IMO, that's ok, or at least, the lesser evil. Otherwise, all the private rates would go up.

Compare it to airline tickets, and the huge difference in business to coach class. The coach class fare does NOT cover the all the associated cost, the airlines subsidize coach with the fares from business.

I really don't want to go down that road and have that changed...

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Yeah, but there's no requirement to fly business if you're a business, and an awful lot of people fly coach for business purposes. And business is certainly a higher level of service. So really, your analogy is flawed on every level.
     
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Jan 4, 2008, 02:22 PM
 
It makes sense to me, in theory a business should use more bandwidth (ip phones, server, vpn, intranet, email, etc.). In a residential contract, they reserve the right to disconnect service or charge a fee if you use an unreasonable amount of bandwidth.
     
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Jan 4, 2008, 02:41 PM
 
I once had to get an estimate for hooking up cable TV to a building I worked at. This was on an Air Force base, and only a couple of blocks from a residential area (that had cable installed as part of a base-wide initiative so everyone living on base could have basic cable at least). I was quoted almost $30k for ONE DROP. It seems that the cable company (no names, but it's initials are Time Warner) felt that this meant an extensive change to their distribution network (consisting of at most ONE amplifier and something like 100m of cable at most), so the "engineering and construction" costs were almost the entire $30k, with a single drop being priced out at something less than $1000 (not much less) because it was a "commercial" subscriber. We came close to fudging things and getting satellite TV, but wound up just dropping the issue and having a separate building that already had cable provide us with updates on weather and other important issues. Oh, the kicker was that they couldn't even start the "construction" for almost four months. Whoo boy!

A "T4" doesn't seem to fall into the normal nomenclature. There are T1s, T3s (28 T1s), OC3s (100 T1s) and so on, with the "Ts" suitable for distribution on twisted pairs and the "Os" suitable for (designed for) optical fiber. The link above also provides some price ranges for such connections. With a T1 costing between $250 - $500 a month, they're all overpriced for any consumer. I'd go with a "deluxe" DSL package and get 6Mbps (4 times a T1) for somewhere less than $50 a month instead. In fact, I do.

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