[lovehelena]

The countdown for my purchase of Powermac Dual series has already begun and

I am afraid that newer one wil come out any time soon, possibly in Mac World Expo

Paris. Do you think Apple will introduce new Powermac?

[hldan]

Originally Posted by lovehelena

The countdown for my purchase of Powermac Dual series has already begun and

I am afraid that newer one wil come out any time soon, possibly in Mac World Expo

Paris. Do you think Apple will introduce new Powermac?

I would expect a new PowerBook with a Pentium M processor to appear at Macworld before anything else. Apple hasn't been able to WOW us with the Powerbooks in a long while and most people are looking for an Intel notebook.

[dark3lf]

PowerMacs just came out in April. It probably won't be until sometime in 2006 when we see new ones.

[Leonard]

New Power Macs at the Paris MacWorld - not likely. A new Powerbook is likely.

[Lateralus]

Originally Posted by hldan

I would expect a new PowerBook with a Pentium M processor to appear at Macworld before anything else. Apple hasn't been able to WOW us with the Powerbooks in a long while and most people are looking for an Intel notebook.

You must have missed the part where Steve said the first Intel Macs wont appear until summer of '06.

Originally Posted by dark3lf

PowerMacs just came out in April. It probably won't be until sometime in 2006 when we see new ones.

Don't be so sure.

Apple has to stimulate sales of the Power Mac any way they can. And with the last revision having been incredibly lackluster, I wouldn't rule anything out. If IBM is ready to roll with the dual-core G5s, you can bet Apple is ready to roll Power Macs containing them.

[osxisfun]

>You must have missed the part where Steve said the first Intel Macs wont appear until summer of '06.

He said "by" summer 2006.

I think this is a case of underpromising and over delivering. I expect them soon after jan. / feb. but like the rest of us i am guessing.

>Don't be so sure.

I agree with lateralus here.

[GSixZero]

Originally Posted by osxisfun

I think this is a case of underpromising and over delivering. I expect them soon after jan. / feb. but like the rest of us i am guessing.

I agree. I believe we'll get intel macs much sooner than expected. As long as third party software is on its way from moving from ppc -> x86, Steve will surprise us.

Though there are two things to think about: There are two periods of this transition. Before the first x86 mac is out, and then the period when Apple is selling both x86 and PPC machines.

Conventional wisdom would say that Apple should release x86 machines as quickly as possible to get people buying again, but I don't know if that's the best idea. If the x86 machines are much faster than the PPC ones (like have been rumored), when the first wave of x86 Macs come out, they will essentially make the rest of the PPC machines dead in the water. If releasing the first intel mac extra soon stretches this period where Apple is selling no PPC machines, then I think apple will wait to try to shorten the second period.

[osxisfun]

that's the rub "Hey apple my mini us faster than mu dual 2.0 g5"

but if apple can ship dual dual cores that should be enough until conroe powermacs ship about a year from now.

[Todd Madson]

No. Last PPC products ship in 2007 - look at the roadmap again.

The CONSUMER products are FIRST to the Intel side.

The PRO products are LAST so I'm told we can expect PPC products for the next
two years. It's a ways yet for the pro side.

[osxisfun]

No. Steve-o is underpromising. Intel is now saying 2nd half 2006 for conroe.

>The CONSUMER

duh.

>The PRO products are LAST so I'm told we can expect PPC products for the next
two years. It's a ways yet for the pro side.

Bet you a six pack you are wrong.

[SSharon]

Originally Posted by osxisfun

Bet you a six pack you are wrong.

I would retract that offer. I am pretty sure I heard the same thing. First consumer and then pro machines. As much as the pros want the speed they will wait for the kinks to get worked out and what better way to test it out than to give it to the consumer line until all the necessary software is ported.

[osxisfun]

The only thing that is in question is the ship date of powermac intels. No one is saying otherwise.


http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/...spx?i=2503&p=2

• Desktops: Presler, a chip out of the Pentium 4 line, will appear in the first half of 2006, while Conroe will follow in the second half. Two PC platforms, or blueprints, are being prepped for Conroe: Averill, for corporate computers, and Bridge Creek, for home computers.

For value d

http://news.com.com/Intel+powers+up+...3-5842125.html


I think what people have to realize that intel "ship" dates are more quickly followed by actaul delivery of machines from vendors. unlike the way apple / ibm have done announcement/ship dates.

[Lateralus]

You're gonna end up shelling out for a six pack. Every analyst and every report seems to be corroborating the fact that the Power Macs will be the last to go Intel and it wont be until at least 2007 and possibly even into 2008 depending on whether or not Intel stays on schedule for their '07 releases. Mainly because IBM's immediate roadmap with the G5 is much more promising for Apple than Intel's desktop roadmap is.

[osxisfun]

You guys had better live next to a brewery./

Intel Powermacs in 2006!!!

[Eug Wanker]

Originally Posted by osxisfun

>The PRO products are LAST so I'm told we can expect PPC products for the next
two years. It's a ways yet for the pro side.

Bet you a six pack you are wrong.

I'll take that bet. Eug's uninformed prediction:

Quad G5 (dual 970MP) Power Mac in 2005, or Jan. 2006 at the latest
More G5 970MP Power Macs in 2006
iNtel Power Macs in 2007, sometime after OS X 10.5 ships

G4 7448 PowerBook next month
iNtel PowerBook in 2006 H1

[osxisfun]

more beer for me.

it would totally suck if they moved macworld up to jan 3 and waiting till then./

that would prove steve wants me to stop drinking.

[Don Pickett]

If I remember the keynote correctly, it's consumer Intel machines in 2006, pro machines in 2007, by which time the transition should be "almost finished".

Intel iBooks, Mac Minis and maybe iMacs summer 2006. Intel Powermacs and Powerbooks between then and summer 2007. The big question is: what happens to the XServe?

[osxisfun]

i think they will wait till woodcrest and be all mid 2007.

i _think_ they only sold 4500 xserves a quarter. don't know if dual dual cores can go in there in the mean time.

[Todd Madson]

Doesn't Steve only drink Odwalla fruit juices?

It's weird, he ended up getting some kind of rare cancer anyway. Maybe the reality
distortion effect is toxic after long term exposure.

We'll see what happens in 2006 then.

[osxisfun]

Interesting...

http://www.hardmac.com/news/photonews24/roadmapIA.jpg

http://www.hardmac.com/news/2005-08-25/#4388

Now it looks like woodcrest is expected in 2H 2006 too.

2006 is going to be super intersting agreed.

[osxisfun]

What if apple does release a powermac at macworld paris, and it is a dual dual core... its only available as a high end model, where the 2.7 is today?

2.3 become the $2k g5 and 2.5 become the $2.5k G5s .,,...


just wondering. maybe this time apple won't replace the whole line at first...especially considering they may "announce" and not ship the dual dual for a couple of months.

[SpaceMonkey]

I think the "pro"/"consumer" distinction breaks down when you start talking about the iBook and the Powerbook, though. There is absolutely no reason why the iBook should go Intel before the Powerbook, considering that it is Powerbook performance that is hurting so bad. PowerMac G5 performance is good enough to carry Apple through the transition, especially if they go to the new dual-core chips. To my mind, however, there aren't many significant updates possible for the Powerbook before it goes Intel. If the iBook goes Intel before the Powerbook, it will just blur the distinction between the two even more than it already is. I agree that the PowerMacs will likely be the last to get Intel chips, however.

[Todd Madson]

Those Hardmac guys routinely come across as the ones with the most interesting rumors
around, especially when they have screenshots of product timelines like that.

[Salty]

If Apple gets Dual Core G4s into the PowerBooks, and puts low power Pentium Ms into the iBooks it'll go well.

Actually I wouldn't be surprised if the transition goes something like...

iBook and Mac mini announced with Pentium M chips.
iMac announced either at the same time or a month later with Pentium Ds (not netburst ones.)
eMac officially dropped from product line.
Power Macs and PowerBooks updated still with PPC processors, most likely dual core on both sides.
High power Pentium M PowerBook, or newly named Apple Pro laptop.
High power Pentium D Power Mac or newly named Apple Pro desktop.
Continue into 2008 with a pro line up that consists of both Intel and PPC options until the Intel offerings absolutely slaughter the PPC options.

[Todd Madson]

Originally Posted by Salty

If Apple gets Dual Core G4s into the PowerBooks, and puts low power Pentium Ms into the iBooks it'll go well.

Actually I wouldn't be surprised if the transition goes something like...

iBook and Mac mini announced with Pentium M chips.
iMac announced either at the same time or a month later with Pentium Ds (not netburst ones.)
eMac officially dropped from product line.
Power Macs and PowerBooks updated still with PPC processors, most likely dual core on both sides.
High power Pentium M PowerBook, or newly named Apple Pro laptop.
High power Pentium D Power Mac or newly named Apple Pro desktop.
Continue into 2008 with a pro line up that consists of both Intel and PPC options until the Intel offerings absolutely slaughter the PPC options.

Remember the "slaughter" is on power efficiency. If you look at the roadmaps
supplied by Intel the clock speed is very comparable to what we already have.

But I can see a lot of folks looking at a computer that costs $10-$20 a month to
run versus one that costs $50-75 and it being a no brainer to go for a product
that is more economical to run.

Plus, with the focus being on laptops I can easily see this being the primary
focus in the consumer market.

The Pentium M laptop my workplace supplied me is pretty speedy for its
clockspeed (1.7 ghz) but still manages to eke out about 2.5-3 hours at
full power on the stock battery.

[jfmartin]

Apple as announced that there won't be any Steve Jobs keynote... so don't expect much from sept 20 Paris Expo except may be of a recapp of the sept 7 announcements during the expected and announced Q & A session with the Executive Team of Apple at the Expo...

JF

[hldan]

According to Apple's online store the 2.7Ghz model is now 7-10 business days for availability. There may be a dual core model introduced this week if not very soon.

[osxisfun]

I agree. I think this blows out the hopes of a dual dual this month.

[osxisfun]

Originally Posted by hldan

According to Apple's online store the 2.7Ghz model is now 7-10 business days for availability. There may be a dual core model introduced this week if not very soon.

Its been that way for a couple of weeks. It may be possible but I would expect a little more fanfare for a dual dual ... like waiting 2 weeks till macworld expo.

[hldan]

Originally Posted by osxisfun

Its been that way for a couple of weeks. It may be possible but I would expect a little more fanfare for a dual dual ... like waiting 2 weeks till macworld expo.

Don't expect anything at Macworld but Intel stuff and that would involve the portables.

[osxisfun]

macworld paris. not macworld SF.

[hldan]

Originally Posted by osxisfun

macworld paris. not macworld SF.

Oh, my bad.