[quandarry]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/...in582845.shtml

heh...what next jessica?

[ironknee]

first i thought who's jessica lynch (in connection to nude photos)?..then

omg...is it true? didn't penthouse claim to have nude photos of...anna kornakova and turned out to be false?

but if true...its mindblowing...she is the bush's poster solder for the war...

[G4ME]

now i want to see the pics

[vmpaul]

...changed his mind because she is a �good kid ... and a victim of the Bush administration.�

Larry Flynt , Heart of Gold.

[Sherwin]

Is it just me or does she look like she's put on 30 years since she had the Hollywood hair do?

[suganutz2]

Originally posted by Sherwin:
Is it just me or does she look like she's put on 30 years since she had the Hollywood hair do?

Kind of, but she also looks alot like Melissa Joan Hart.http://www.lorry.com/scrapbook/new/m...joan-hart2.jpg

[vmpaul]

Originally posted by suganutz2:
Kind of, but she also looks alot like Melissa Joan Hart.http://www.lorry.com/scrapbook/new/m...joan-hart2.jpg

Another good reason not to release them.

[Zimphire]

Please, Larry knowns no restraint. If he had such pics they would be on the mag without a thought.

[iDriveX]

I tend to disagree, Larry is a staunch Bush hater, and I do agree with him that she is a victim of the Iraq War Propaganda machine. If anything, he's using these pictures to publicize his hatred of Bush's policies. It'll earn him more positive press this way and keep him in the news. He's obviously NOT doing this because he wants to correct a right that was done by Bush, it's just a PR move to make him look good. It's the Larry Flint Against the War in Iraq Propaganda Machine

[beb]

I'm against the war in Iraq. Evil, manipulative, or not, Flynt simply adds another voice in the ever-growing chorus against our oil baron, ahem... President.

[mixin visuals]

saddam may have taken them himself

[maxelson]

"What next...?"
Interesting comment.
She shows public disapproval of the way the Pentagon has been using her as some sort of Joan of Arc figure, dismisses 90% of the Gov't story as spin, bunk and out and out lie... and a little pack of noodie shots shows up.
Shocking. Really.

I got respect for her not playing the game.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by maxelson:

I got respect for her not playing the game.

Folks down this way are pretty down to earth. They don't follow along with the fancy Hollyweird crowd.

[maxelson]

In this case the Hollyweird crowd would be the Pentagon and Administration and the Lord High Spinmeisters.
I thought you supported all of this.

[davesimondotcom]

I don't think we have to make it out to be a big conspiracy of the Pentagon to blackmail her or something.

The way I read it, some of the soldiers in her platoon took the pictures a while ago - one of them is probably trying to make some cash off the whole thing just like Jessica is. (Not that I blame her, but the book, movie, etc. money should be shared with the rest of her fellow soldiers or to the families of the dead, if it isn't already.)

As far as Larry Flynt being anti-Bush so he's not publishing the photos, isn't THAT ironic? A pornographer refusing to publish to make a political statement about a politician? Isn't it usually the opposite? (A politician trying to get a pornographer to stop publishing.)

[Lerkfish]

Originally posted by davesimondotcom:
I don't think we have to make it out to be a big conspiracy of the Pentagon to blackmail her or something.

The way I read it, some of the soldiers in her platoon took the pictures a while ago - one of them is probably trying to make some cash off the whole thing just like Jessica is. (Not that I blame her, but the book, movie, etc. money should be shared with the rest of her fellow soldiers or to the families of the dead, if it isn't already.)

As far as Larry Flynt being anti-Bush so he's not publishing the photos, isn't THAT ironic? A pornographer refusing to publish to make a political statement about a politician? Isn't it usually the opposite? (A politician trying to get a pornographer to stop publishing.)

well, IIRC, there was another instance of Flynt agreeing not to publish incriminating stories of certain politicians.

I think he realizes that merely mentioning he has something in his possession but withholds it has almost as much mojo as releasing it. Not that I'm supporting or even condoning Flynt in any way, but he has shown himself to be adept at politics in the past.

That having been said, I don't know the origin of the photos nor do I think it would be in good taste to run them without her permission in any event, but I'm more distressed at just the concept of the possibility of running them.

I think the whole Jessica Lynch saga has been tragic, in more ways than one, alongside the joy of having her still with us.
I think its tragic in her case (and in the case of that shot down flyer in Somalia whose name escapes me at the moment) in general that these people become icons for a concept or ideal that overpowers who they are as a person. In that way they become a political football, against their own intentions.

[mr. natural]

Anyone remember Milos Forman's film, "The People vs. Larry Flynt"?

Especially that wonderful scene where Flynt is standing on stage with a screen behind him flashing pictures of War scenes & death, juxtaposed with images of naked bodies & love making, while he asks: "What's more obscene?"

Some things never change.

[Zimphire]

He just said it to get attention.

[quandarry]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
He just said it to get attention.

ok...so why did jessica lynch write a book?

to not get attention!

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by quandarry:
ok...so why did jessica lynch write a book?

to not get attention!

I never said otherwise.

[jckalen]

Today on a local conservative talk radio station, they were talking about the recent rash of docu-dramas. It was hilarious only because they were very, very serious in their convictions.

They were appalled that The Elizabeth Smart story aired, citing disgust that the family would try to profit from her ordeal.

They were appalled that the Ronald Regan movie was ever made although it never aired. How dare the hollywood-leftist-liberal media cast a less-than-flattering look at the greatest man ever to walk the earth since Jesus! More proof that the media is skewed against honest god-fearing republicans... and don't you dare even THINK bad thoughts about poor George Bush. (Never mind the constant character assasinations of every democrat to ever hold office)

And yet, Jessica Lynch is still a hero and her movie NEEDED to be aired. It was important to show her bravery as an inspiration to us all. No one brought up the fact that she personally de-bunked most of the story. It was a traffic accident - NOT a firefight. She was handed over to us... no shots fired. Reports of torture and rape are in question. No mention of the fact that the 'trauma' she endured has resulted in a book as well as interviews or stories this week on the Today show, 60 minutes, 20/20, nightline and even Letterman.

To re-cap the local conservative take:

Elizabeth Smart - pimped to the media for her parent's profit
Ron Regan - American hero maligned by the liberal media
George Bush - Another casuality of the liberal media.
Jessica Lynch - American hero supported by the same commie-pinko-anti-conservative-environmentalist-whacko liberal media because she 'deserves' it.

My take? Conservatives hate the liberal media unless they are telling false tales of heroism in war.

[petehammer]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
I never said otherwise.

You know what, Zim? I'm sick of you saying this. You imply things with pretty much every post, and then act like people are putting words in your mouth.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by petehammer:
You know what, Zim? I'm sick of you saying this. You imply things with pretty much every post, and then act like people are putting words in your mouth.

When did I imply, or even mention otherwise? Where?

What is happening is, people knee jerking and making replies that have really nothing to do with me.

So please show me where I said otherwise.

I'll give you a hint, nowhere in this thread have I said or even implied to that. Nowhere.

[petehammer]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Folks down this way are pretty down to earth. They don't follow along with the fancy Hollyweird crowd.

Followed by your comments that Flynn was a media whore. You put them at odds with eachother: this down-home girl and a media whore.

Then, in response to someone calling you out ("ok...so why did jessica lynch write a book? to not get attention!") you act like people put words in your mouth.

You can't paint them as opposites and then claim you never did.

[Sealobo]

Where is that "this thread is worthless without a photo" gang of smilies?

[Timo]

Originally posted by petehammer:
You know what, Zim? I'm sick of you saying this. You imply things with pretty much every post, and then act like people are putting words in your mouth.

All by design. Best ignored.

[roger_ramjet]

Originally posted by maxelson:
"What next...?"
Interesting comment.
She shows public disapproval of the way the Pentagon has been using her as some sort of Joan of Arc figure, dismisses 90% of the Gov't story as spin, bunk and out and out lie... and a little pack of noodie shots shows up.
Shocking. Really.

I got respect for her not playing the game.

What on earth are you talking about? Not playing the game? She did the movie deal, the interview with ummm, who did the interview with her anyway? - I've pretty much tuned this whole story out. She did the book deal. Next I'm sure we'll see a Jessica Lynch action figure. Okay I'm joking about that last part - at least I hope it remains just a joke. The point is, she certainly IS playing the game. I don't begrudge her anything but you're putting her up on a pedastal too. It's just your hero worship of her is based on different falsehoods.

People, she was a POW. It must have been hell for her but there have been other POWs you'll never hear about because THEY weren't female and photogenic. There's no shortage of stories of heroism in Iraq. No need to substitute this one for the real thing.

[thunderous_funker]

Originally posted by roger_ramjet:
People, she was a POW. It must have been hell for her but there have been other POWs you'll never hear about because THEY weren't female and photogenic. There's no shortage of stories of heroism in Iraq. No need to substitute this one for the real thing.

Damn. Thanks for that. It really needed saying.

[Mac Guru]

170 x 40

30 pixels too wide

Thanks,
Mac Guru

[beb]

The mods right it is too wide. But its a good sig though...

[wdlove]

My thought is that he's not publishing the photo's because he doesn't have them. Money comes first with Flint.

[quandarry]

Originally posted by wdlove:
My thought is that he's not publishing the photo's because he doesn't have them. Money comes first with Flint.

oh they exist...they are topless shots taken with some of her male soldier friends.

larry flint doesn't bullship (except when he's playing poker in vegas).

he bought them from a soldier.

[tintub]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
He just said it to get attention.

I guess you can relate to that, can't you...

[m a d r a]

i'll bet those iraqui pigdogs took those photos while she was a POW!

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by petehammer:
Followed by your comments that Flynn was a media whore. You put them at odds with eachother: this down-home girl and a media whore.

No, that is you taking things out of context, and putting them together to mean what you want it to mean.

I am talking about the Hollyweird lifestyle.

Then, in response to someone calling you out ("ok...so why did jessica lynch write a book? to not get attention!") you act like people put words in your mouth.

You can't paint them as opposites and then claim you never did.

I never painted them opposites.

Having said that, just because they both like money, doesn't mean the are alike.

Heck, I like money too. But I wouldn't say I was like Flint.

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by tintub:
I guess you can relate to that, can't you...

No.

[stupendousman]

Originally posted by davesimondotcom:
Not that I blame her, but the book, movie, etc. money should be shared with the rest of her fellow soldiers or to the families of the dead, if it isn't already.

Proceeds from the sale of the book are going to a foundation she set up to help families of those who were killed or injured during the war.

As far as Flynt goes, he does hate Bush, but he's no exactly the most credible guy around. I'd heard that they had to severely enhance the photos just to be able to tell who they were of, and even then they had to hire a photo expert to determine if they were really even genuine or not. Whether they are real or not, it doesn't sound like they've got anything much worth looking at anyway, and a lot of people would still be skeptical. It's not like the Paula Jones or other celebrity photos they've had in years past.

As far as comparisons of him to Jessica...people are offering her large sums of money to tell her story, one which has left her in huge pain and without the full use of her body. Flynt is paying large sums of money in order to get publicity off of someone else's body. Surely people can see the difference?

But, as to what she says that might appear "anti-Bush", it wouldn't suprise me. Her "advisors" are big-time Democrat political activists. One of which is the media advisor of the Democrat governor of West Virginia. Not to say what she's claimed isn't true. It's just that I'm sure that between her advisors, and the media/publishing "elite" she's been dealing with, she's been encouraged to speak out as loudly as she can.

[maxelson]

Originally posted by roger_ramjet:
What on earth are you talking about? Not playing the game? She did the movie deal, the interview with ummm, who did the interview with her anyway? - I've pretty much tuned this whole story out. She did the book deal. Next I'm sure we'll see a Jessica Lynch action figure. Okay I'm joking about that last part - at least I hope it remains just a joke. The point is, she certainly IS playing the game. I don't begrudge her anything but you're putting her up on a pedastal too. It's just your hero worship of her is based on different falsehoods.

People, she was a POW. It must have been hell for her but there have been other POWs you'll never hear about because THEY weren't female and photogenic. There's no shortage of stories of heroism in Iraq. No need to substitute this one for the real thing.

I'm talking about the pentagon game. There's the story THEY say happened.
Then there's the story SHE said happened. She says it is a propaganda thing.
She have a hand in it? Yeah. Of course. She signed the book deal. She signed off on the movie (actually, DID she? Who had rights to that? They certainly didn't need her permission to make the movie. Legally. I am pretty sure they needed only the Army's permission as she was "government property" at the time of the incident... but I do not know if she signed or not)
My comment refers to her comments concerning how she says she feels the Pentagon is dealing with this- the one's she made during that interview with- whomever it was.

I don't see her as a hero. I DO see her as someone with a voice who- for whatever reason- decided to say, "no. it did not happen that way". And it will be ignored, because America needs it's heros. Even if the whole concept is based on a lie... seemingly, ESPECIALLY if it is based upon total fiction.

This entire scenario is a David Mamet script. And America is eating it up and the spin machine is getting fed nicely. My comment is a "good for her" for saying, "nice story. Too bad it never happened that way. But, like a bad Oliver Stone flick, actual truth is not really necessary.

As for playing up the "female and photogenic" thing- best to look to the Pentagon for pushing that little story. I find the whole circus surrounding this event to be despicable.

That is what I am talking about.

[roger_ramjet]

Originally posted by maxelson:
I'm talking about the pentagon game. There's the story THEY say happened.
Then there's the story SHE said happened. She says it is a propaganda thing.

Maybe it is. I don't know. There's been a LOT of bad info about this story from ALL sides. (Remember that absurd BBC account that claimed the US soldiers were shooting blanks?) The latest controversy surrounds an allegation she was raped. This, according to the NY Times, comes from her book. And yet she ALSO says she has no memory of an assault. Frankly, I don't know who or what to believe. I just think this story has been way overdone.

[maxelson]

You and me both. For me, though, it ain't hard to see why.

edit: I am creating a brandy new playlist containing all of your jared facey linkers. Update often.

[gadster]

Originally posted by Zimphire:
When did I imply, or even mention otherwise? Where?

What is happening is, people knee jerking and making replies that have really nothing to do with me.

So please show me where I said otherwise.

I'll give you a hint, nowhere in this thread have I said or even implied to that. Nowhere.

Umm, how about, here?

[Zimphire]

Originally posted by gadster:
Umm, how about, here?

Where am I implying that Jessica Lynch doesn't like money there?

Go jump in a lake.

[chris v]

Ignore, ignore, ignore, ignore, ignore, ignore, ignore, ignore, ignore.


CV

[roger_ramjet]

Originally posted by maxelson:

edit: I am creating a brandy new playlist containing all of your jared facey linkers. Update often.

This last one is from a band called �frica Negra from the island of S�o Tom� off the coast of Africa. The song "B� Leg� Ca�� Mod� B�" (You Let The Dog Bite You) is from a collection of Afro-Portuguese songs called "Adventures in Afropea vol. 3 (Telling Stories to the Sea)". The words are a Creole language of S�o Tom�.

[maxelson]

EXCELLENT music. I thankee.