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They freaked me when I was a kid. Geez, I had to be hurting to use a public restroom. I don't know where I got a fear of germs from, maybe some educational school film or maybe my parents made a staphylococcus aureus remark at a very impressionable moment in my life.
Anyway, as an adult, I seem to not worry about them so much. I've learned some germs are our friends! But I still use anti-bacterial hand soap.
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Absolutely paranoid of them.
Of course I've had to adjust. I have kids and when they get sick you need to comfort them. Not kissing or hugging them is not an option. Just a few weeks ago a stomach bug blew through my family. I spent nights on end, holding my kids as they suffered through dry heaves and puking on me.
I hate the idea of germs but when you have children you quickly find out they're little germ bags
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I stopped washing my hands with soap as a kid listening to a radio show about how it affects your skin and that bacteria help your immune system. Anecdotal I know, but I am never or very rarely sick - however my cousins who had a mother who was completely obsessed with hygiene (to the point where they had to wash their hands with soap before and after going to the toilet, brush their teeth after a glass of cordial etc. etc.) have horrible immune deficiencies and get sick from nothing.
I do rinse my hands after going to the toilet (I feel weird if I don't) and shudder from the people who don't (in public restrooms).
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I'm pretty relaxed when it comes to germs. I take showers everyday and wear fresh clothes etc... but I think certain problems can arise if one if overly hygienic.
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Germs? Meh. If they don't kill me, they'll only make me stronger. I work with some pretty nasty ones every day.
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I'm pretty sure the lack of mud pies in the average 6 year old diet is the cause of many childhood sicknesses.
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I grew up on a farm. Having one's hand licked by cows/horses/dogs/cats and later on eating an apple liberated from the neighbour's orchard was nothing unusual. That's what we have immune systems for.
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No. There's billions of them on me, in me, and everything around me. Freaking out about that would do no good whatsoever.
Also, what does not entirely kill them only makes them stronger -- all these anti-bacterial soaps and supper-cleansers are actually aiding in the evolution of serious resistant bacteria, and by avoiding all contact with germs from a young age, we don't allow our immune systems to fully develop. Over-cleanliness is strengthening them and weakening us.
Not that you should be a slob -- wash your hands after using the restroom, shower before you start to smell, out of politeness if nothing else, and don't eat rancid food, but other than that, what good is freaking out going to do you?
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Originally Posted by chris v
don't eat rancid food
Agreed with the exception of some cheeses and that swedish rotten fish which is soo tasty.
However washing your hands is supposedly the most important thing you can do to fight infection.
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Originally Posted by paul w
Agreed with the exception of some cheeses and that swedish rotten fish which is soo tasty.
However washing your hands is supposedly the most important thing you can do to fight infection.
Cheeses that are rancid taste awful anyway. And ‘tasty’ should never be used in the same sentence as surströmming without some kind of negator. Ever.
I’m very lax about germs in general. I wash my hands after restroom visits, I shower daily (if I’m going out, anyway), and I don’t eat stuff if I can see spores and living things growing out of them where they’re not supposed to be (like mushrooms, once they start getting hairy).
When I lived in China, I’d usually eat in small, very unhygienic places where you sort of wished you hadn’t started wondering what that odd-coloured shape on the floor might be. I’d eat food if I dropped it on the table, but not if I dropped it on the floor. Never got sick from it. Only thing that would stop me from coming to a place again was if I found cockroaches in my food. Now they gross me out like nothing else. Eurgh. Thankfully, I only found cockroaches in my food twice in 16 months.
Edit: Wiki’s just told me that dental plaque (which I’m guessing we all have, to some extent) is actually made up in part of streptococci. That’s actually just a bit ew.
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Originally Posted by jamil5454
but I think certain problems can arise if one if overly hygienic.
You mean like fresh breath and lack of B.O. ?
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I eat germs everyday. It makes me strong.
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Originally Posted by Tiresias
You mean like fresh breath and lack of B.O. ?
No, like weakening our immune system while making antibacterial resistant germs.
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I have a mild case of OCD. The roughly translates to washing my hands about 40 times a day and not letting dirty people touch my stuff (guitars, for example). Oh, and shaking hands is a no-no, you filthy insects.
But still, the chicks dig clean blokes who don't go touching everyone else.
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We should do away with hand-shaking and replace it with leg humping. Seriously, replace it with a bow, like the Japanese.
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Originally Posted by Mastrap
I grew up on a farm. Having one's hand licked by cows/horses/dogs/cats and later on eating an apple liberated from the neighbour's orchard was nothing unusual. That's what we have immune systems for.
Same with me. I rarely got sick as a kid but with 2 kids of my own now, I do get sick more often, but it's very rare that I get sick enough to miss work.
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I wash my hands regularly and shower as needed, I'm not a freak about it. You wanna keep from getting sick? Wash your hands and don't touch your face, especially your eyes.
Like everything else in life you gotta find balance. Somewhere in between being a filthy pig and being anal about germs you get a healthy immune system combined with the right amount of hygiene.
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Antibacterial hand soaps actually can help make the bugs stronger. There are few real applications for such soaps-using them outside of these applications actually improves their resistance to antibacterial agents.
I have a long history of being sanitary, but not paranoid of germs. I clean some things with bleach, but mostly it's soap and warm to hot water.
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Originally Posted by ghporter
Antibacterial hand soaps actually can help make the bugs stronger. There are few real applications for such soaps-using them outside of these applications actually improves their resistance to antibacterial agents.
I have a long history of being sanitary, but not paranoid of germs. I clean some things with bleach, but mostly it's soap and warm to hot water.
And studies have shown that even HIV is taken care of by regular soap and water.
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Originally Posted by Doofy
But still, the chicks dig clean blokes who don't go touching everyone else.
They also love being called, "The chicks".
And please don't use the word "dig" like that again. Ever.
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Originally Posted by smacintush
And studies have shown that even HIV is taken care of by regular soap and water.
HIV is a virus. Soaps, anti- bacterial or otherwise, can no effect on viruses. It is the mechanical action of hand washing that removes the virus particles, so even a wet towel would do that (although that would not take care of the bacteria).
Antibacterial hand soaps actually can help make the bugs stronger.
I find this hard to believe. It's not like you are submerging your entire body in antibacterial solution, or drinking it. The fact is, your body is hiving with bacteria. We have more bacterial DNA than human DNA. Washing you hands will keep the worst foreign bacteria you pick up from getting into your body via hand-mouth and hand-eye contact. I don't see how it could possibly cause a change in bacterial evolution. Do you have a link, or are you just making this sh*t up as you go?
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Originally Posted by Tiresias
HIV is a virus. Soaps, anti-bacterial or otherwise, can no effect on viruses.
Good point.
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I don't see how it could possibly cause a change in bacterial evolution.
That is how evolution has generally worked. Pressures on a group of living things allow the more fit to survive. Some bacteria may be slightly better at surviving contact with anit-bacterial soap, and thus reproduce more after all his unfit bacteria brothers have been killed off.
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Originally Posted by Tiresias
HIV is a virus. Soaps, anti-bacterial or otherwise, can no effect on viruses. It is the mechanical action of hand washing that removes the virus particles, so even a wet towel would do that (although that would not take care of the bacteria).
That's why I said taken care of.
People buy into the anti-bacterial craze and it's silly. Too may people are germ crazy.
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Originally Posted by Doofy
I have a mild case of OCD. The roughly translates to washing my hands about 40 times a day and not letting dirty people touch my stuff (guitars, for example). Oh, and shaking hands is a no-no, you filthy insects.
But still, the chicks dig clean blokes who don't go touching everyone else.
Dude .... I am in the same club as you.
I really like the Korean, Japanese and Thai introductions far better than our own. Instead of shaking hands with some bloke who just grabbed his pecker in the loo, they just bow and smile. MUCH nicer.
I NEVER touch door knobs or handles. I carry tissues in my pocket and hand sanitizes for the times that I in-advertantly touch something.
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Originally Posted by smacintush
People buy into the anti-bacterial craze and it's silly. Too may people are germ crazy.
Originally Posted by driven
I NEVER touch door knobs or handles. I carry tissues in my pocket and hand sanitizes for the times that I in-advertantly touch something.
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Originally Posted by - - e r i k - -
Hey ... each his own .... I personally don't want to get sick.
If you want to consume someone else's germs .. and it's ok with you then that's fine. I won't give you the emoticon.
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Hey ... each his own .... I personally don't want to get sick.
Then why are you wilfully increasing your risk of it?
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Originally Posted by driven
I really like the Korean, Japanese and Thai introductions far better than our own. Instead of shaking hands with some bloke who just grabbed his pecker in the loo, they just bow and smile. MUCH nicer.
Exactly.
They once did an analysis of a bowl of peanuts which had been sitting on the end of a bar for an evening. Found something like 19 different people's urine in there - from where blokes had been to the head, not washed their hands then dipped into the peanuts on their return. No thanks!
Plus, can't be too careful these days - little cut on your hand, little cut on theirs... ...shake hands and bang you're dying of AIDS.
Originally Posted by driven
I NEVER touch door knobs or handles.
I'm not quite that bad, but I always use what appears to be the least used part of the handle.
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Originally Posted by Tiresias
They also love being called, "The chicks".
And please don't use the word "dig" like that again. Ever.
Get over yourself, you boring man.
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I don't think AIDS or HIV spreads quite THAT easy ... but there are other buggers that do. That skin eating bacteria gives me pause.
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Originally Posted by driven
I don't think AIDS or HIV spreads quite THAT easy
No idea - haven't really researched it. Always thought it was any blood transfer. Still, I like to err on the side of caution.
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It requires a certain amount of blood that I doubt a handshake is going fulfill, unless you're cupping crushed glass at the time.
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That said: I think the old technique (as immortalized in westerns) of cutting your hand with a knife and then shaking on it is absolutely out.
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Originally Posted by driven
Hey ... each his own .... I personally don't want to get sick.
You won't get sick by acting like a normal human, seriously, at what point did this obsessive behavior start for you?
I rip 200 year old buildings apart for a living. I get cuts all over my hands, and I never wash them while working (it's pointless).
I haven't been sick in over a year AND I'm a smoker, chew on that. My immune system is rock solid thanks to the grime I encounter. I suggest you ween yourself off of such ridiculous behavior like carrying tissues around with you everywhere you go.
Edit: Also, you realize that there are millions of bacteria swimming on your face at this very moment, right? You are only fooling yourself into believing that you are 'clean.'
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Originally Posted by Doofy
I'm not quite that bad, but I always use what appears to be the least used part of the handle.
I hate to break it to you, but that's very UN-Rock n' Roll.
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Originally Posted by driven
Hey ... each his own .... I personally don't want to get sick.
I never get sick. My immune system is primed on other people's germs. That's exactly why I DON'T get sick.
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After nearly getting killed from bacterial meningitis that I contracted on an international flight I hope you'll all forgive me if I don't subscribe to the theory that my body has to "learn" about other germs. Another 3 hours later to the hospital and I wouldn't be writing this message.
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After nearly getting killed falling down a flight of stairs I hope you'll forgive me if I don't subscribe to the theory of gravity either.
Poor analogy I know. Too tired for this crap
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After nearly getting killed falling down a flight of stairs I hope you'll forgive me if I don't subscribe to the theory of gravity either.
Poor analogy I know. Too tired for this crap
Good for you. Enjoy life. If you are so tired, maybe you should go to bed. Just a thought.
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I'm at work.
Sorry.
I'm back at work in 2 days. (yuk). I commute by jet. I'm work out before I get there. (So I feel for ya buddy....)
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Originally Posted by driven
After nearly getting killed from bacterial meningitis that I contracted on an international flight I hope you'll all forgive me if I don't subscribe to the theory that my body has to "learn" about other germs. Another 3 hours later to the hospital and I wouldn't be writing this message.
Man, I though a handshake was bad enough. Kissing as a form of introduction is always a bad idea. Meningitis, TB, and all sorts of nasty things can be contracted through kissing.
That's why I don't even kiss my gf. I wear a condom when she kisses me.
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I lived in China during the SARS outbreak, that was a bit scary, the army were doing spot temperature checks on people in cars, body temp too high, your passport was confiscated and you get sent to an isolation camp (full of people with SARS).
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Originally Posted by driven
After nearly getting killed from bacterial meningitis that I contracted on an international flight I hope you'll all forgive me if I don't subscribe to the theory that my body has to "learn" about other germs. Another 3 hours later to the hospital and I wouldn't be writing this message.
Being exposed to pathogens in some way IS how your body learns how to defend itself. Really. This is how inoculations work.
How did you pick up bacterial meningitis on a flight in the first place? Did you live in a dormitory or share an apartment before the flight? Bacterial meningitis is the bane of communal living around here-you have to sign a statement that says you understand the risks before being allowed to get a college dorm room. Here's one local school's info on it.
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Originally Posted by ghporter
Being exposed to pathogens in some way IS how your body learns how to defend itself. Really. This is how inoculations work.
How did you pick up bacterial meningitis on a flight in the first place? Did you live in a dormitory or share an apartment before the flight? Bacterial meningitis is the bane of communal living around here-you have to sign a statement that says you understand the risks before being allowed to get a college dorm room. Here's one local school's info on it.
I have no idea how. I took sick less than 12 hours after getting off the flight. They put me in isolation. I subsequently learned that 3 or 4 other people on the flight also got sick. It was a long-haul flight (18 hours) so I had plenty of time to be exposed. I have no idea if the people were sitting near me or not. (I was hospitalized for 10 days I think ... I don't remember the first 3 or 4 of it.)
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Join Date: Oct 2007
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I like to be clean but I'm not a germ freak. If you keep killing germs then you're keeping your immune system low on the immune scale.
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Addicted to MacNN
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: BFE
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Chill out and eat some cake mix.
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I'm a bird. I am the 1% (of pets).
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