Welcome to the MacNN Forums.

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

You are here: MacNN Forums > Software - Troubleshooting and Discussion > macOS > 10.2.8 in Software Update again.

10.2.8 in Software Update again.
Thread Tools
dole
Forum Regular
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Oct 3, 2003, 04:06 PM
 
Installing it now, hopefully everything goes ok.



The 10.2.8 Update (Build 6R73) delivers enhanced functionality and improved reliability for the following applications, services and technologies: Audio, Bluetooth, Classic compatibility, Finder, Graphics, LDAP, Power Management, Safari, and FireWire and USB device compatibility. It also includes an updated ethernet driver for 450MHz and 500MHz dual processor Power Mac G4 desktop systems and an update to the battery status menu.

The update also provides updated security services and includes the latest Security Updates.

For detailed information on this Update, please visit this website:

http://www.info.apple.com/kbnum/n25524
     
Terri
Senior User
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Sitting in front of computer
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Oct 3, 2003, 04:14 PM
 
I think I'll wait a few days this timeÖ
     
Dubya's Dealer
Forum Regular
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Always a phone call away
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Oct 3, 2003, 04:18 PM
 
No kidding... what about this:

Updates the battery status menu for portable computers.
Is this new or was this the part of the update that screwed up me battery? Anyone?

Otherwise no word form the big A on this issue yet?
     
CheesePuff
Professional Poster
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Rochester, NY
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Oct 3, 2003, 04:19 PM
 
It also includes an updated ethernet driver for 450MHz and 500MHz dual processor Power Mac G4 desktop systems and an update to the battery status menu.

Is pretty much what it says for people who are already running 10.2.8. It was a 500k update.
     
tsheley
Dedicated MacNNer
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: WI
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Oct 3, 2003, 04:20 PM
 
I just installed it on my iBook and my battery is back to normal. It went from 1:20 minutes at 65% to 2:18 minutes at 65%. All is well!
1.6ghz G5 Power Mac/1.5GB RAM/Superdrive
     
dole  (op)
Forum Regular
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Oct 3, 2003, 04:28 PM
 
I have it installed now on my iBook and everything seems to be ok so far. Since I reinstalled OS X last night, I only had 10.2.6 and the update from 10.2.6 to 10.2.8 is 40.6MB, but if you already have 10.2.8, the update is around 500k.
     
polendo
Mac Enthusiast
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Monterrey, Mexico
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Oct 3, 2003, 04:33 PM
 
My battery is not.. I get now 20 hours on a full recharge on my Ibook.
     
Dubya's Dealer
Forum Regular
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Always a phone call away
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Oct 3, 2003, 04:39 PM
 
er, 20 horas, hombre? I need one o' them batteries.
     
Dougmc
Forum Regular
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Indianapolis
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Oct 3, 2003, 04:44 PM
 
I let the Software Update do the work for me on my 17" PowerBook which has been running 10.2.8 (the only ill effect I experienced was the battery meter giving an erroneous estimate of time left). The time now appears to be much more accurate with the unfortunate time estimate of 2:25. That is while running only Safari and iCal.

I'm anxious to experience the miracles of 10.3 on this machine to extend that time even further!
17" PowerBook (delivered 4/2/2003) | www.mcschooler.com
     
NYCFarmboy
Mac Elite
Join Date: Jan 2003
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Oct 3, 2003, 04:47 PM
 
Installed the latest update on my 1.42 dual..no problems..but no problems with it before anyhow.


Installed it on my 500 mhz white ibook..
after a VERY long restart:
battery went from 1:30 time remaining to 2:17 time remaining (on a very old battery).

So glad that problem is fixed. Everything else appears to be working as well.
     
Moonray
Mac Elite
Join Date: May 2001
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Oct 3, 2003, 05:30 PM
 
Includes support for USB 2.0 devices, including PCI and PC cards for computers that do not include USB 2.0 hardware.
So does that include the FW800 G4 Macs now?

-
     
Sheep
Junior Member
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Belgium
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Oct 3, 2003, 05:43 PM
 
Why even bother to install when Panther is right round the corner
     
NYCFarmboy
Mac Elite
Join Date: Jan 2003
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Oct 3, 2003, 06:05 PM
 
Originally posted by Sheep:
Why even bother to install when Panther is right round the corner
I think a lot of us are waiting on the bugs to be worked out on Panther before we install that operating system.

I remember installing 10.0 and WISHING I had stayed at 9.0. 10.2 is a very nice operating system, and I wish I had waited until 10.2 before ever going to system 10...I will wait on Panther a bit to let the bugs get worked out.

I'll wait at least until next summer before upgrading to Panther, and only then when it comes with a new G5 dual 3 gig tower.
     
jasong
Mac Elite
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Allston, MA, USA
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Oct 3, 2003, 06:25 PM
 
wow, I had 1:45 when I installed and rebooted to 4:15! Of course my Ti-Book has never gotten that before so I am not expecting that now.

Of course in the course of navigating to MacNN's site and posting this, it has gone from 4:15 to 3:00 to 4:00, to 3:50, to 2:40 . . . ah, stupid battery meter . . .

-- Jason
     
mattyd
Senior User
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: san fran, ca
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Oct 3, 2003, 06:38 PM
 
after my restart i got 0:26 and it has been steadily climbing. now i'm up to 0:37. i think i'll let it run down and re-calibrate.
     
darkhawk64
Junior Member
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Lynnwood, WA
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Oct 3, 2003, 06:44 PM
 
I just installed the new update, and I now get 5:11 in the battery menu. This is with a few USB devices attached and a second monitor! Sure, Apple fixed the monitor to make it read more, I just it would read more accurately. Sure can't wait for Panther.
jared
"You don't cuddle up to Max Power. You just strap yourself on and feel the Gs."
-Homer Simpson from "The Simpsons"
     
Eug Wanker
Posting Junkie
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Dangling something in the water‚Ķ of the Arabian Sea
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Oct 3, 2003, 06:52 PM
 
It would seem the time displayed is probably completely inaccurate. It was useless before and it's useless now.

TiBook 1 GHz SD.
     
Vaderís Pinch of Death
Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Pinching up a storm on the Star Destroyer
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Oct 3, 2003, 06:54 PM
 
Odd, the G5 version of 10.2.8 does not show up in my software updater.

"If it's broke, you choke."
     
Earth Mk. II
Mac Elite
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Washington, DC
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Oct 3, 2003, 07:00 PM
 
Originally posted by Vaderís Pinch of Death:
Odd, the G5 version of 10.2.8 does not show up in my software updater.
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120244
IMPORTANT: This update does not apply to G5 systems This update works only with PowerPC G3- and G4-based desktop and portable computers, including Power Macintosh G3, Power Mac G4, PowerBook G3, PowerBook G4, iMac, eMac, and iBook.
I don't think you will.
/Earth\ Mk\.\ I{2}/
     
Vaderís Pinch of Death
Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Pinching up a storm on the Star Destroyer
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Oct 3, 2003, 07:07 PM
 
Originally posted by Earth Mk. II:
I don't think you will.
Guess again. I also just downloaded the installer manually and ran it

Apple Mac OS X G5 Updater 10.2.8
Apple Mac OS X G5 Updater updates Mac OS X 10.2.7 (G5) to version 10.2.8 (G5).

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120248

"If it's broke, you choke."
     
Earth Mk. II
Mac Elite
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Washington, DC
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Oct 3, 2003, 07:25 PM
 
huh. how 'bout that.


nevermind then.
/Earth\ Mk\.\ I{2}/
     
nobitacu
Mac Elite
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Oct 3, 2003, 08:40 PM
 
I'll be installing it later on tonight, hope all goes well for me too.

Ming
A Proud Mac User Since: 03/24/03
Apple Computer: MacBook 2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 3 GB Memory, 120 GB HD
     
The Mick
Senior User
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Rocky Mountain High in Colorado
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Oct 3, 2003, 08:41 PM
 
No problems with the G5 10.2.8 update here. OS shows as version 6S90.

I'm not going to call an ambulance this time because then you won't learn anything.
     
gorickey
Posting Junkie
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Retired.
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Oct 3, 2003, 08:59 PM
 
How ironic that 10.2.8^2 comes out on 10.3....

     
MojoRising022
Dedicated MacNNer
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Oct 3, 2003, 10:25 PM
 
This update hosed my System (867mhz Quicksilver)...after a "successful" installation, my computer just hangs on a bluescreen after the initial start-up sequence and before it displays the user panell...after several reboots, a few file system checks (fsck -y), reinstalling the update from an external firewire boot drive, and running disk warrior - nothing!

The original 10.2.8 worked just fine for me.

As we speak, I am backing up my documents to my fw drive and will reinstall from disk.

Be careful everyone.
     
Cadaver
Addicted to MacNN
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: ~/
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Oct 3, 2003, 10:46 PM
 
The 10.2.8 (G5) (6S90) finally lets iChatAV recognize my iSight properly. Refused to work under 10.2.7, despite multiple re-installs of iChatAV.
Ô£Ņ
     
Vaderís Pinch of Death
Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Pinching up a storm on the Star Destroyer
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Oct 3, 2003, 11:48 PM
 
Originally posted by Cadaver:
The 10.2.8 (G5) (6S90) finally lets iChatAV recognize my iSight properly. Refused to work under 10.2.7, despite multiple re-installs of iChatAV.
Ya same, but now my mute button doesn't work with my soundsticks.

"If it's broke, you choke."
     
Souljah
Junior Member
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Montreal
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Oct 4, 2003, 12:06 AM
 
There seems to be problems again.

I had no problems whatsoever with the 1rst update last week. So like I always do I went through SU and it showed a 40mb update. As always without thinking twice, figuring SU knew what I needed, I clicked it.

Now I'm reading reports that since I updated last week, SU should have detected that I only required the 500k update. Well it showed 40mb. Damn it.

Everything seems to work fine except now I got my first ever kernal panic. So far only when trying to SMB/connect to server. It doesn't connect so I cancel as it tries and I then try to connect again. I get the "curtain drop" kernal panic sequence.

The only thing different with my system compared to the last time I used SMB is that I installed FCP 4 earlier today.

I'm not willing to go through the trouble of reinstalling Jag if this is my only problem.

Bring on Panther. NOW

G4 450mhz ( OCed 400)
1024 gig ram
8500 (PC version flashed)
G5 DP 1.8 Rev.B 3g Ram
20" Apple Cinema.
Tigger 10.4.1
     
Boondoggle
Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: May 1999
Location: Seattle
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Oct 4, 2003, 06:10 AM
 
Don't forget to repair permissions after updating... I had a huge volume of permissions out of whack, and I had just repaired them a few days ago...

2003-10-04 05:44:45 -0400 - Repair of privileges has started
Permissions differ on ./Library, should be drwxrwxr-x , they are drwxr-xr-x
Owner and group corrected on ./Library
Permissions corrected on ./Library
We are using special permissions for the file or directory ./System/Library/Filesystems/hfs.fs/hfs.util. New permissions are 33261
Permissions differ on ./private/etc/hostconfig, should be -r--r--r-- , they are -rw-r--r--
Owner and group corrected on ./private/etc/hostconfig
Permissions corrected on ./private/etc/hostconfig
User differs on ./private/var/db/locate.database, should be 0, owner is -2
Permissions differ on ./private/var/db/locate.database, should be -rw-r--r-- , they are -r--r--r--
Owner and group corrected on ./private/var/db/locate.database
Permissions corrected on ./private/var/db/locate.database
Group differs on ./private/var/run/utmp, should be 0, group is 1
Owner and group corrected on ./private/var/run/utmp
Permissions corrected on ./private/var/run/utmp
User differs on ./Library/Perl/darwin/auto, should be 0, owner is 501
Group differs on ./Library/Perl/darwin/auto, should be 80, group is 20
Permissions differ on ./Library/Perl/darwin/auto, should be drwxrwxr-x , they are drwxr-xr-x
Owner and group corrected on ./Library/Perl/darwin/auto
Permissions corrected on ./Library/Perl/darwin/auto
User differs on ./Library/Perl/darwin, should be 0, owner is 501
Group differs on ./Library/Perl/darwin, should be 80, group is 20
Permissions differ on ./Library/Perl/darwin, should be drwxrwxr-x , they are drwxr-xr-x
Owner and group corrected on ./Library/Perl/darwin
Permissions corrected on ./Library/Perl/darwin
User differs on ./Library/Perl, should be 0, owner is 501
Group differs on ./Library/Perl, should be 80, group is 20
Permissions differ on ./Library/Perl, should be drwxrwxr-x , they are drwxr-xr-x
Owner and group corrected on ./Library/Perl
Permissions corrected on ./Library/Perl
Permissions differ on ./usr/share/man/man3/db.3, should be -r--r--r-- , they are -rw-r--r--
Owner and group corrected on ./usr/share/man/man3/db.3
Permissions corrected on ./usr/share/man/man3/db.3
2003-10-04 06:03:34 -0400 - The privileges have been repaired on the selected volume.
1.25GHz PowerBook


i vostri seni sono spettacolari
     
ggrund
Fresh-Faced Recruit
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: London, United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Oct 4, 2003, 06:54 AM
 
Is this update also for the new G5? Why is it not showing on the Software Update? (1.6 G5).
     
tae667
Forum Regular
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Finland
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Oct 4, 2003, 07:19 AM
 
iBook 900/60gigs/640ram/etc.


I can't see my dock, and desktop is messed. Black everywhere, wallpaper is not visible. It's almost impossible to use this computer as root. I made another user, and that works perfect, so I guess it's themes I've installed.

I uninstalled Application Enchanger and Themechanger: nothing happened. Tried AquaFix - doesn't work with 10.2.8.

Help, anyone?

Thanks in advance.
     
Boondoggle
Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: May 1999
Location: Seattle
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Oct 4, 2003, 08:48 AM
 
try deleting some preferences
1.25GHz PowerBook


i vostri seni sono spettacolari
     
tae667
Forum Regular
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Finland
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Oct 4, 2003, 10:05 AM
 
I deleted com.apple.desktop.plist from Library, and now everything works.
     
Un-Inferior
Fresh-Faced Recruit
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: California, USA
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Oct 4, 2003, 11:03 AM
 
apparently everyone's saying that the network problems were on older macs. however, i lost network connectivity on my windtunnel mac and when i installed the revised 10.2.8 everything worked fine. it could just be a coincidence though.
     
Un-Inferior
Fresh-Faced Recruit
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: California, USA
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Oct 4, 2003, 11:08 AM
 
Originally posted by MojoRising022:


As we speak, I am backing up my documents to my fw drive and will reinstall from disk.

Be careful everyone.
this is what i had to do after installing the older version of 10.2.8. along with my network, my combo drive didn't work, so an external fw drive with boot disc was necessary. a dell fw drive saved my mac
     
Vaderís Pinch of Death
Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Pinching up a storm on the Star Destroyer
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Oct 4, 2003, 11:11 AM
 
Originally posted by Un-Inferior:
apparently everyone's saying that the network problems were on older macs. however, i lost network connectivity on my windtunnel mac and when i installed the revised 10.2.8 everything worked fine. it could just be a coincidence though.
Apparently if you read the installer it says on 450 and 500 MHz macs.

"If it's broke, you choke."
     
voicebox
Dedicated MacNNer
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: London UK
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Oct 4, 2003, 11:31 AM
 
I'm a little worried after reading what a lot of you guys out there have to say about this latest OS X incarnation ... the upgrade gets 'pulled' on the 23rd Sept and 9 days later its back on line ..mmm, so soon ... I run an iMac with 10.2.6 (no Bluetooth) - I'm happy, it's so smooth - so, I have to ask myself if I really need 10.2.8? The answer - not unless I need a violent headache, sleepless nights and serious chest pains coupled with a dull pain down my left arm, I dont! I agree with 'Sheep' - The Panther is around the corner, so I'll wait for it to pounce
     
Nawus
Forum Regular
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Toronto, Canada
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Oct 4, 2003, 12:14 PM
 
After installation, my battery indicator jumps back and forth sometimes showing 2:30 then 3:45 then 2:50 etc...
anyone else with this problem.
It looks like I'm getting more battery time with this new installation.
     
iRebound
Mac Enthusiast
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Chicago, IL
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Oct 4, 2003, 07:05 PM
 
I updated 10.2.8 on my B&W G3/300 upgraded to G4/500. When I reboot, I just see the spinning beachball. Not even the boot panels.

I tried repairing the disk and fixing permissions. Nothing seems to work
     
voicebox
Dedicated MacNNer
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: London UK
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Oct 4, 2003, 07:15 PM
 
Originally posted by Nawus:
After installation, my battery indicator jumps back and forth sometimes showing 2:30 then 3:45 then 2:50 etc...
anyone else with this problem.
It looks like I'm getting more battery time with this new installation.
My dear old thing ... Eureka!!
Apple, by accident (?) seem to have found a way of dispensing with that seemingly outmoded lump of energy - the good ol' battery. What potential joy ...!
If we are to believe that by upgrading now to 10.2.8 we get 'more battery time with this new installation' ... can we therefore look forward to the day when Panther - '10.3.8'(!!) is released and the 'outmoded battery' is finally is consigned to trash ... ??
Answers please - on the back of a postage stamp!!
     
jh0lland
Fresh-Faced Recruit
Join Date: Oct 2003
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Oct 4, 2003, 08:25 PM
 
iMac (233 with 320M RAM) will not restart after a software update to 10.2.8 today. I get Gray Apple and it will not boot from CD. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks in advance.

Joe
     
Joshua
Mac Elite
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: Chicago, IL USA
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Oct 4, 2003, 08:29 PM
 
I just installed the update, and I've got a problem I haven't seen mentioned anywhere else: all file associations seem to have died.

All of my applications and all of my files now have generic icons. If I try to open a file (jpg, doc, anything), I get an error that no "default application" is specified. If I use the menu to select the appropriate app, I get an error of type -10822.

I've also got the dragging problem, but I'm guessing that's unrelated.

Any suggestions? This has pretty much crippled me...
Safe in the womb of an everlasting night
You find the darkness can give the brightest light.
     
nredman
Addicted to MacNN
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Minnesota - Twins Territory
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Oct 4, 2003, 08:49 PM
 
i have been downloading the update all day cause i got my cable internet hooked up and wiped my machine to start over and install all my favorite programs...anyways i think with all the problems people are still having with this update i will just update to 10.2.6 again..i had no problems with that

"I'm for anything that gets you through the night, be it prayer, tranquilizers, or a bottle of Jack Daniel's."
     
polendo
Mac Enthusiast
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Monterrey, Mexico
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Oct 4, 2003, 10:30 PM
 
My Ibook is still screwed.. after recalibrating, the battery meter still indicates 20 hours.. and at 80% it just goes to sleep (with an empty battery). This update really screwed up my battery meter.
     
nonhuman
Posting Junkie
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Baltimore, MD
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Oct 5, 2003, 12:58 AM
 
Since installing the new 10.2.8, Safari crashes after a couple minutes every single time. It rand just fine under the original 10.2.8. Anyone else having this problem?

I'm running it on a Pismo 500.

Edit: The problem appears to have been PithHelmet related.
( Last edited by nonhuman; Oct 5, 2003 at 04:01 AM. )
     
pliny
Mac Elite
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: under about 12 feet of ash from Mt. Vesuvius
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Oct 5, 2003, 10:06 AM
 
This update is running well on my iMac g3, I think scrolling and the general snap factor are better.
i look in your general direction
     
Shaddim
Clinically Insane
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: 46 & 2
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Oct 5, 2003, 10:26 AM
 
Originally posted by Joshua:
I just installed the update, and I've got a problem I haven't seen mentioned anywhere else: all file associations seem to have died.

All of my applications and all of my files now have generic icons. If I try to open a file (jpg, doc, anything), I get an error that no "default application" is specified. If I use the menu to select the appropriate app, I get an error of type -10822.

I've also got the dragging problem, but I'm guessing that's unrelated.

Any suggestions? This has pretty much crippled me...
Reset your PRAM in OF and recalibrate your battery. Should fix it.
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
- Thomas Paine
     
MusicalTone
Dedicated MacNNer
Join Date: Feb 2003
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Oct 5, 2003, 01:15 PM
 
Just installed 10.2.8 second rev. from 10.2.6 and having battery readout problems. Readout seems to jump all over the place and show calculating for ever.... Drat. How do I go back to 10.2.6? Anyone know?
     
wintermute1
Fresh-Faced Recruit
Join Date: Dec 2002
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Oct 7, 2003, 11:41 AM
 
I have a problem that may not seem major, but is definitely irritating. Prior to the update, I was able -- when in an application -- to click on the desktop and having the menubar change to the finder. Now, when I am in an application, clicking on the desktop does not send me back to the finder - the menubar stays with the currently open application! Instead I have to click on the finder icon in the dock!

I am sure that it didn't behave this way before, and I find it a small but significant irritation to my normally error-free mac computing.

This is on a brand new 15" Albook/combo-drive - 768mb of ram.

Other than that, my machine is flawless -- and now has battery life of around 4 hours (on automatic power saving with the display turned down).

wintermute1
     
keston
Mac Enthusiast
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Toronto, Canada.
Status: Offline
Reply With Quote
Oct 7, 2003, 11:48 AM
 
Originally posted by wintermute1:
Other than that, my machine is flawless
Other than all my problems, I am pretty much problem free
     
 
Thread Tools
 
Forum Links
Forum Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Top
Privacy Policy
All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:43 PM.
All contents of these forums © 1995-2017 MacNN. All rights reserved.
Branding + Design: www.gesamtbild.com
vBulletin v.3.8.8 © 2000-2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.,