[baw]

BBC NEWS | UK | England | Tyne | Global warming boost to glaciers

Global warming could be causing some glaciers to grow, a new study claims.

Researchers at Newcastle University looked at temperature trends in the western Himalaya over the past century.

They found warmer winters and cooler summers, combined with more snow and rainfall, could be causing some mountain glaciers to increase in size.

[turtle777]

Ok then.

-t

[besson3c]

Yeah, there was a bit on NPR about this, and all the water in the N. Atlantic now.


I suppose it won't become an issue for people until it affects them though, despite the present attempts of many activists.

[C.A.T.S. CEO]

so?

Its still global warming.

[Spliffdaddy]

Obviously glaciers will grow in size as global temperatures increase.

Makes perfect sense.

[smacintush]

This just in: Global Warming scientists don't really understand climate. Details at 11.

[spacefreak]

Nothing can disprove global warming...

Hot temperatures: global warming
Cold temperatures: global warming
Lots o' hurricanes: global warming
No hurricanes: global warming
Melting glaciers: global warming
Growing glaciers: global warming

[Spliffdaddy]

Where are all the global warming zealots?

I need somebody to explain this growing glacier thing.

Just last month glaciers were melting and the ocean level was rising.

[Spliffdaddy]

Originally Posted by spacefreak

Nothing can disprove global warming...

Hot temperatures: global warming
Cold temperatures: global warming
Lots o' hurricanes: global warming
No hurricanes: global warming
Melting glaciers: global warming
Growing glaciers: global warming

Oh man, you're stuck in 2005.

The name has been updated to "Climate Change"

(since the globe stopped warming)

[Buckaroo]

Weren't they just saying a couple months ago that glaciers were shrinking?

[olePigeon]

Originally Posted by Spliffdaddy

Oh man, you're stuck in 2005.

The name has been updated to "Climate Change"

(since the globe stopped warming)

No, it's always pretty much always been Global Climate Change. Global Warming is term hyped up by the media and dumbasses who don't know the difference.

[SirCastor]

"This just in... The Earth is not the same as it used to be. Things are changing."

[Spliffdaddy]

The Earth has been changing since day 1.

[SirCastor]

Originally Posted by Spliffdaddy

The Earth has been changing since day 1.

Yeah, that's kind of the point.

[Lava Lamp Freak]

Where is Al Gore when you need him?

[euchomai]

Scientist issues global cooling warning

ST. PETERSBURG, August 25 (RIA Novosti)- Global cooling could develop on Earth in 50 years and have serious consequences before it is replaced by a period of warming in the early 22nd century, a Russian scientist said Friday.

Wow, I saw this article today and wonder what the heck is going on. Warming, cooling, who knows?!

[Salty]

see you guys don't understand the weather. This is why we need new legislation governing the weather. See, the weather isn't a dump truck, you can't just throw stuff on it, it's more like, like a series of tubes....

[C.A.T.S. CEO]

Originally Posted by euchomai

Scientist issues global cooling warning



Wow, I saw this article today and wonder what the heck is going on. Warming, cooling, who knows?!

Global Climate Change or "Global Warming" means that the heat extremes and cold extremes get a wider range. So one winter its extremely cold and the next summer its extemely hot (like this summer )

[smacintush]

Originally Posted by C.A.T.S. CEO

Global Climate Change or "Global Warming" means that the heat extremes and cold extremes get a wider range. So one winter its extremely cold and the next summer its extemely hot (like this summer )

That's not what the article is talking about.

Doesn't matter though, the article is completely illegitimate because it goes against the "consensus", and apparently, in modern science consensus is what REALLY matters.

[C.A.T.S. CEO]

Originally Posted by smacintush

That's not what the article is talking about.

Doesn't matter though, the article is completely illegitimate because it goes against the "consensus", and apparently, in modern science consensus is what REALLY matters.

Im not talking about the article. Im talking about all the stuff about "Global Warming" put together.

[CharlesS]

Originally Posted by baw's article

Global warming could be causing ***some*** glaciers to grow, a new study claims.

I don't know anything about the validity of the claims in the article - just wanted to point out something that so far, the people in this thread haven't seemed to notice.

[black bear theory]

Originally Posted by smacintush

That's not what the article is talking about.

Doesn't matter though, the article is completely illegitimate because it goes against the "consensus", and apparently, in modern science consensus is what REALLY matters.

from the article.

They found warmer winters and cooler summers, combined with more snow and rainfall, could be causing some mountain glaciers to increase in size

adding snow to glaciers makes bigger glaciers? now i've heard everything.

but to answer the thread's title apparently it is yes! it does in some glaciers. i'm suprised that this hasn't been brought into this thread yet. the same thing is happening in greenland and a region of antartica, and is oft cited as counter-proof to global warming/climate change, despite these glaciers becoming increasingly unstable.




RealClimate � Worldwide glacier retreat Recul mondial des glaciers

[baw]

Bunch of BS anyway.

[tie]

I'm not sure why you think we need real data in this thread, it was going along perfectly well!

[baw]

Penn and Teller: Bullshit! Environmental Hysteria - Google Video

[smacintush]

Originally Posted by baw

Penn and Teller: Bullshit! Environmental Hysteria - Google Video

Hey, a call for common sense!

Imagine that!

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by tie

I'm not sure why you think we need real data in this thread, it was going along perfectly well!

-t

[Velocity211]

Global warming could be causing some glaciers to grow, a new study claims.

Another fake claim by gas companies to keep their sales high.

[SirCastor]

As though Global warming concerns actually slow the mass population from buying Gas?

[Buckaroo]

The whole Global Warming Propagenda machine is nothing but a bunch of B.S.

I agree with Penn and Teller on much of their video.

[smacintush]

Originally Posted by Velocity211

Another fake claim by gas companies to keep their sales high.

WTF are you talking about?

[chris v]

What you've all missed is that "grow" here relates to height. No density, or overall mass. The ice at the bottom of a glacier is amazingly dense, while the fresh snow at the top is all light & fluffy. It takes thousands of years for it to get really packed. So if local snowfall is increasing in *some* places, causing the glaciers to appear thicker up in the mountains, that doesn't account at all for the fact that the glaciers are still receding at lower elevations faster than that snow is falling. Overall loss of glacier mass is not in dispute at all.

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[Kitschy]

So, what's the big deal with climate change? So what?

[Buckaroo]

Originally Posted by chris v

What you've all missed is that "grow" here relates to height. No density, or overall mass. The ice at the bottom of a glacier is amazingly dense, while the fresh snow at the top is all light & fluffy. It takes thousands of years for it to get really packed. So if local snowfall is increasing in *some* places, causing the glaciers to appear thicker up in the mountains, that doesn't account at all for the fact that the glaciers are still receding at lower elevations faster than that snow is falling. Overall loss of glacier mass is not in dispute at all.

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It all does not matter. The Earth's climate changes all the time. There is NOTHING that man is doing that affects the planet.

The Earth will go through these cycles forever. Mans affect on the planet is very minimal.


It's like an ant crawling on an elephant. No effect.

[smacintush]

Originally Posted by Kitschy

So, what's the big deal with climate change? So what?

Didn't you hear? Another couple of degrees and there will be a cat. 7 hurricane every day, the oceans will rise 50 feet almost overnight, two-thirds of all species will become extinct and we will have 130 degree summers and -80 degree winters! There will be global mass panic!

We only have TEN YEARS LEFT UNTIL ARMAGEDDON!

[chris v]

Originally Posted by Buckaroo

There is NOTHING that man is doing that affects the planet.
Mans affect on the planet is very minimal. It's like an ant crawling on an elephant. No effect.

No, it's like 6 BILLION ants crawling on an elephant. It's pretty damn hard to find a corner of the planet that we haven affected in some way. American forests: <5% old growth; Amazon rainforests: 24,000 square km stripped bare each year; Connecticut-sized dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico due to fertilizers in the Mississippi; wild Salmon population in the NW decimated; American Bison -- nearly eradicated; Right Whale -- nearly eradicated; Colorado river no longer flows to the sea as a result of irrigation; Entire mountain removed in Irian Jaya for gold mining, entire river ecosystem downstream (thousands of square miles) killed dead by chemicals used in gold extraction; Aquifers dwindling everywhere; 10 ft. of topsoil gone from the great plains; Fish populations on such decline in Atlantic most fisheries have shut down or become unprofitable; Cane Toads running rampant in Australia; imported plant species running rampant in Hawaii; Zebra Mussels clogging the great lakes; Snakeheads in the Potomac; The incredibly polluted Aral sea about to go dry due to over-irrigation; oh, the hell with it -- you get my point. We've had a bit of an impact.

[RAILhead]

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by chris v

No, it's like 6 BILLION ants crawling on an elephant. It's pretty damn hard to find a corner of the planet that we haven affected in some way. American forests: <5% old growth; Amazon rainforests: 24,000 square km stripped bare each year; Connecticut-sized dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico due to fertilizers in the Mississippi; wild Salmon population in the NW decimated; American Bison -- nearly eradicated; Right Whale -- nearly eradicated; Colorado river no longer flows to the sea as a result of irrigation; Entire mountain removed in Irian Jaya for gold mining, entire river ecosystem downstream (thousands of square miles) killed dead by chemicals used in gold extraction; Aquifers dwindling everywhere; 10 ft. of topsoil gone from the great plains; Fish populations on such decline in Atlantic most fisheries have shut down or become unprofitable; Cane Toads running rampant in Australia; imported plant species running rampant in Hawaii; Zebra Mussels clogging the great lakes; Snakeheads in the Potomac; The incredibly polluted Aral sea about to go dry due to over-irrigation; oh, the hell with it -- you get my point. We've had a bit of an impact.

Unfortunately, It doesn't really matter what you say. These people have convinced themselves that they've gotten everything straight, and aren't interested in complicated their own thinking by disputing whatever facts and information you can throw at them in a rational manner. They'd rather just stick to their guns and do whatever is necessary to feel confident that they are right.

[smacintush]

Originally Posted by chris v

No, it's like 6 BILLION ants crawling on an elephant. It's pretty damn hard to find a corner of the planet that we haven affected in some way. American forests: <5% old growth; Amazon rainforests: 24,000 square km stripped bare each year; Connecticut-sized dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico due to fertilizers in the Mississippi; wild Salmon population in the NW decimated; American Bison -- nearly eradicated; Right Whale -- nearly eradicated; Colorado river no longer flows to the sea as a result of irrigation; Entire mountain removed in Irian Jaya for gold mining, entire river ecosystem downstream (thousands of square miles) killed dead by chemicals used in gold extraction; Aquifers dwindling everywhere; 10 ft. of topsoil gone from the great plains; Fish populations on such decline in Atlantic most fisheries have shut down or become unprofitable; Cane Toads running rampant in Australia; imported plant species running rampant in Hawaii; Zebra Mussels clogging the great lakes; Snakeheads in the Potomac; The incredibly polluted Aral sea about to go dry due to over-irrigation; oh, the hell with it -- you get my point. We've had a bit of an impact.

Yet the situation continues to IMPROVE for humans year after year after year. There has been NO net effect on us at all. We are living longer, our world population continues to grow, there are more people with more food and wealth than ever it is still getting better. To the enviro-zealots, we are always on the verge of destruction but yet it never manifests.

The things you mention aren't signs of our destroying our world, they are signs of us dominating it. There's a difference.

"When man dominates they call it "evil", when an animal dominates they call it "nature"."

[smacintush]

Originally Posted by besson3c

Unfortunately, It doesn't really matter what you say. These people have convinced themselves that they've gotten everything straight, and aren't interested in complicated their own thinking by disputing whatever facts and information you can throw at them in a rational manner. They'd rather just stick to their guns and do whatever is necessary to feel confident that they are right.

Funny because that describes YOU pretty well.

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by smacintush

Funny because that describes YOU pretty well.

It describes us all.

However, I try to be far more open on subjects I'm not well versed in.

[smacintush]

Originally Posted by besson3c

It describes us all.

Good answer!

[MinM]

Originally Posted by besson3c

...I try to be far more open on subjects I'm not well versed in.

[nonhuman]

Originally Posted by smacintush

Yet the situation continues to IMPROVE for humans year after year after year. There has been NO net effect on us at all. We are living longer, our world population continues to grow, there are more people with more food and wealth than ever it is still getting better. To the enviro-zealots, we are always on the verge of destruction but yet it never manifests.

The things you mention aren't signs of our destroying our world, they are signs of us dominating it. There's a difference.

"When man dominates they call it "evil", when an animal dominates they call it "nature"."

So what you're saying is that an ever growing human population and ever accelerating use of natural resources couldn't possibly ever result in negative consequences for humanity?

Yes things are good now (in 1st world countries), the whole point is that we need to really consider if things are indefinitely sustainable. If they are, great. If they aren't, then we should make changes now because the longer we wait the more drastic the changes we have to make will be.

Why is it so unreasonable that we even consider the possibility that the current state of things is not sustainable?

[Dale Sorel]

Originally Posted by Spliffdaddy

Obviously glaciers will grow in size as global temperatures increase.

Makes perfect sense.

[glideslope]

Ya know, I feel warmer after reading this thread.

[chris v]

Originally Posted by besson3c

Unfortunately, It doesn't really matter what you say. These people have convinced themselves that they've gotten everything straight, and aren't interested in complicated their own thinking by disputing whatever facts and information you can throw at them in a rational manner. They'd rather just stick to their guns and do whatever is necessary to feel confident that they are right.

Facts are stupid things.

[bgmark13]

graphs are good proof of global warming...

[His Dudeness]

Originally Posted by spacefreak 

Nothing can disprove global warming...

Hot temperatures: global warming
Cold temperatures: global warming
Lots o' hurricanes: global warming
No hurricanes: global warming
Melting glaciers: global warming
Growing glaciers: global warming

$66 a barrel for oil: Global warming?

[Wiskedjak]

I think the thing about our climate changing is that we don't know what might happen as a result.

"What if?" was enough of a justification to spend billions on the Iraq war. The potential dangers presented by global warming, human-caused or natural, are greater than the actual danger we now know Iraq presented prior to the invasion.