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davesimondotcom · Jul 17, 2006, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by kaze0

Fight Club, Passion of the Christ, Office Space, and Citizen Kane

You are being sarcastic, I hope.

I've never seen Passion of the Christ (no interest whatsoever) but Office Space, while not high art, is hilarious. If you've ever worked in a cubical, you'd know.

As for Fight Club, it was different than most movies. That takes guts. Not typical Hollywood, for sure.

Citizen Kane is considered by many to be the greatest movie ever made. It certainly deserves at least some consideration for such an honor, considering the time it was made.

Shaddim · Jul 17, 2006, 01:42 PM

Pink Flamingos, hands down. It's so bad it's almost good.

Gossamer · Jul 17, 2006, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by MacNStein

Pink Flamingos, hands down. It's so bad it's almost good.

Oh no...
A family of rednecks and a pair of swingers do battle with one another for the rights to the title "The Filthiest People Alive."
haha

Jawbone54 · Jul 17, 2006, 01:51 PM

Citizen Kane is an awesome and GUTSY (if you know the story behind it) film.

The Passion is only getting stuck in the "worst movie" category because of the anti-religious element. The cinematography was excellent, the portrayal of the event was beautiful, and it incredibly moving as a whole for those with a religious background. Ebert and Roeper praised the movie (LINK), by the way.

Shaddim · Jul 17, 2006, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by Gossamer

Oh no...
A family of rednecks and a pair of swingers do battle with one another for the rights to the title "The Filthiest People Alive."
haha

"Oh, I love you Raymond. I love you more than anything in this whole world. I love you more than my own filthiness, more than my own hair color. Oh God, I love you more than the sound of bones breaking, the sound of death rattle--even more than the sound of my own sh*t do I love you, Raymond."

That's some Class A writing!

Landos Mustache · Jul 17, 2006, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by Jawbone54

Citizen Kane is an awesome and GUTSY (if you know the story behind it) film.

The Passion is only getting stuck in the "worst movie" category because of the anti-religious element. The cinematography was excellent, the portrayal of the event was beautiful

Seeing someone tortured for an hour is beautiful?

Everyone I know that saw it hated it because it dragged on for so long by the end they were looking forward to him getting nailed.

Kinda like Titanic were everyone just went looking forward to the boat sinking.

Gossamer · Jul 17, 2006, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

Seeing someone tortured for an hour is beautiful?

Everyone I know that saw it hated it because it dragged on for so long by the end they were looking forward to him getting nailed.

Kinda like Titanic were everyone just went looking forward to the boat sinking.

He said that the portrayal was beautiful, not the event.

Landos Mustache · Jul 17, 2006, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by Gossamer

He said that the portrayal was beautiful, not the event.

Well of the "event" sounds rather specific.

L'enfanTerrible · Jul 17, 2006, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by ringo

Nope, not kidding, walked out half-way through. I rented the DVD later to watch the special effects. I know a lot of people love this movie, but I couldn't get past the dialog.

I think that was the shortcoming of the first movie, the dialogue just sucked (remember the blonde chick?) but the plot and sfx were awesome.

The second and third parts had better dialogue imo, but the plot went askew. It felt like the Wachowski Bros were just trying to wrap it up any way they could, when I expected a lot more social commentary.

Jawbone54 · Jul 17, 2006, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by Gossamer

He said that the portrayal was beautiful, not the event.

Thank you.

The entire Christian belief system depends heavily upon this utterly selfless act of sacrifice. When I watched the movie for the first time, I began crying about halfway through and didn't stop until the movie ended. I wasn't crying out of guilt, but out of appreciation. I even feel that the movie had an immediate impact on me and made me a better person. Keeping Jesus' sacrifice in mind, I worked a lot on my treatment of other people. Being given an impactful (and at times, startling)reminder of His love made me want to be a better Christian. It made me want to be more patient, more courteous, and generally more tolerant overall. I can't see how there could be anything wrong with that.

lpkmckenna · 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by Jawbone54

The Passion is only getting stuck in the "worst movie" category because of the anti-religious element. The cinematography was excellent, the portrayal of the event was beautiful, and it incredibly moving as a whole for those with a religious background. Ebert and Roeper praised the movie (LINK), by the way.

I have very mixed feelings about The Passion.

No doubt: beautifully shot, top-notch acting, haunting music....but loaded with problems.

Mary Magdalene was not the adulterous woman in Gospel of John.

Gratuitous violence. Not satisfied with an accurate Biblical account of the scourging and crucifixion, Gibson unnecessarily added:
1) being whipped and beat bloody by the temple guards
2) being hung off a bridge
3) having his arm dislocated
4) the eye-eating Raven

Jesus' interaction with Satan in the Garden is non-Biblical.

Presenting Herod as effeminate is non-historical and non-Biblical.

And, of course, continuing the senseless tradition of presenting Pilate as a sympathetic, philosophical soul instead of the cruel butcher he was.

Landos Mustache · Jul 17, 2006, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by Jawbone54

His love made me want to be a better Christian. It made me want to be more patient, more courteous, and generally more tolerant overall. I can't see how there could be anything wrong with that.

It made you want to or it did?

Without getting into a big fuss about this though Christianity is all about tolerance... as long as you follow their rules, step out and it is all about sin and fear tactics.

The words Christian and tolerance don't normally go together in a sentence.

You can also choose to be a tolerant person without having to join a religious group.

Gossamer · Jul 17, 2006, 03:07 PM

tolerance |ˈtäl(ə)rəns| noun 1 the ability or willingness to tolerate something, in particular the existence of opinions or behavior that one does not necessarily agree with

We may not believe that others religions are correct or true, but it's quite possible to live peacefully with one another. That's just like saying that atheists are tolerant...as long as you don't try and tell them you believe something else.

Landos Mustache · Jul 17, 2006, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by Gossamer

That's just like saying that atheists are tolerant...as long as you don't try and tell them you believe something else.

Atheists don't go around as a group saying they are tolerant yet pressure the government into things based on their beliefs.

Gossamer · Jul 17, 2006, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

Atheists don't go around as a group saying they are tolerant yet pressure the government into things based on their beliefs.

That's quite a bold statement. You'd really have to start defining things. There are people pressuring the government to remove 'under God' and 'in God we trust' from national sayings/currency.

OT: I've never managed to walk out of a movie in the theater. The Medallion is the closest I've come, but I couldn't bring myself to throw away the $6.50 I wasted on it, even though the time would have been better spent doing ANYTHING else.

Eug Wanker · Jul 17, 2006, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by Gossamer

That's quite a bold statement. You'd really have to start defining things. There are people pressuring the government to remove 'under God' and 'in God we trust' from national sayings/currency.

I think that's a reasonable request, considering the gov't isn't supposed to be favouring any religious (or non-religious) group.

Gossamer · Jul 17, 2006, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

I think that's a reasonable request, considering the gov't isn't supposed to be favouring any religious (or non-religious) group.

That's quite true. But is it not atheists (partly, I'm sure there are members of other religious groups too) telling the government to do something based on their beliefs?

voodoo · Jul 17, 2006, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

Atheists don't go around as a group saying they are tolerant yet pressure the government into things based on their beliefs.

what.. just individually?

V

Landos Mustache · Jul 17, 2006, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by Gossamer

That's quite a bold statement. You'd really have to start defining things. There are people pressuring the government to remove 'under God' and 'in God we trust' from national sayings/currency.

Good, because your religion should not be printed on my countries money when I pay taxes for it.

If this is also the worst thing you can think of think about how it would feel if you were discriminated against for being who you are.

Eug Wanker · Jul 17, 2006, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by Gossamer

That's quite true. But is it not atheists (partly, I'm sure there are members of other religious groups too) telling the government to do something based on their beliefs?

True, but there is a subtle difference.

This is not athiests telling the government they should make everyone say that God does not exist.

It is a multifaceted group telling the government that the way things are now, it discriminates against certain individuals and groups. Nobody is suggesting that those who believe in God should be prevented from doing so.

Landos Mustache · Jul 17, 2006, 05:33 PM

Oh wait, has anyone said Jaws 4? You know the one were the child of the shark goes after the family of the dude in the first and actually follows ones down to the Caribbean even though she flew. Seriously.

- - e r i k - - · Jul 17, 2006, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by kaze0

Fight Club was too predictable. My mom figured it out like a half hour into the flick. Office Space, cmon, it's like who wrote this crap. It's like a period piece in the late 90s, lameo!

I knew the twist before I went in, and I was still floored by it.

- - e r i k - - · Jul 17, 2006, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by Gossamer

That's quite true. But is it not atheists (partly, I'm sure there are members of other religious groups too) telling the government to do something based on their beliefs?

Somebody needs to read the constitution.

lpkmckenna · Jul 17, 2006, 07:49 PM

I thought Fight Club was excellent until the "Project Mayhem" stuff, at which point the movie loses focus. I just couldn't "buy" the idea that Tyler could really turn those clowns into obedient zombies.

"I still can't think of anything." Great line.

- - e r i k - - · Jul 17, 2006, 08:13 PM

There is a certain group of people who needs others to lead their lives from them. Hence the plethora of cults, groups and clubs. Even - dare I say it - religion.

There are too many examples to think of where a charismatic person has gathered a group of obedient followers to mention. Hence this part was very plausible to me.

Landos Mustache · Jul 18, 2006, 10:38 AM

Hostel. Sick sick sick.

Dark Helmet · Jul 19, 2006, 12:16 AM

Big Mama's house 2.

We had to shut it off 1 hour into it as it was too painful.