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kmkkid · Jun 15, 2002, 12:35 AM

Driven : you can get v3.1 at themexp.org and theres a rather lengthy thread about it on neowin.net's Forum.

And KellyHogan, you should like cool it with your windows statements, you are making even the best of us windows users look bad.

It's fine to stand up for something when it's being "dissed" or "bashed" but you don't need to glorify another OS on competitors website. lol

Chris

cpac · Jun 15, 2002, 01:22 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by KellyHogan:
At least Windows is a skinnable GUI.<hr /></blockquote>Actually, as much as theme-ing is rather popular on these forums, I must say I'm glad that it isn't a "feature" of OS X.

Keeping one these forces Apple to think about how they do things (and to fix things, when enough people complain -see e.g. the lack of stripes in the dock in Jaguar).

That's not to say that some themes I've seen (above and elsewhere) aren't beautiful, but just to say that consistency is often underrated.

besson3c · Jun 15, 2002, 01:46 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Hey, what are those default colors OSX uses to lure new users and 'switch' Windows users? Grey, blue, green, yellow and red. Strange. Looks like Windows 2000's default color scheme as well as Windows' logo.<hr /></blockquote>These color classes also account for a good percentage of all available choices. Are you saying that if you use these colors you're copying MS (or anybody else)?

I must be way off, but please help me with understanding your point. It has puzzled me.

KellyHogan · Jun 15, 2002, 03:24 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by cpac:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by KellyHogan:
At least Windows is a skinnable GUI.<hr /></blockquote>Actually, as much as theme-ing is rather popular on these forums, I must say I'm glad that it isn't a "feature" of OS X.

Keeping one these forces Apple to think about how they do things (and to fix things, when enough people complain -see e.g. the lack of stripes in the dock in Jaguar).

That's not to say that some themes I've seen (above and elsewhere) aren't beautiful, but just to say that consistency is often underrated.<hr /></blockquote>Most themes are crap on every skinnable application or OS. Just like phone faces. But take a look at Sosumi, some of the Windows or Platinum based themes and they look better than Aqua. I'm still trying to figure out why Apple hasn't gotten rid of brushed metal.

KellyHogan · Jun 15, 2002, 03:29 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by besson3c:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Hey, what are those default colors OSX uses to lure new users and 'switch' Windows users? Grey, blue, green, yellow and red. Strange. Looks like Windows 2000's default color scheme as well as Windows' logo.<hr /></blockquote>These color classes also account for a good percentage of all available choices. Are you saying that if you use these colors you're copying MS (or anybody else)?

I must be way off, but please help me with understanding your point. It has puzzled me.<hr /></blockquote>Possibly. When OSX was released the main competition came in the form on Windows 2000 (which is still better, at least until Jaguar's release). To attract Windows users Apple had to have all the advanced OS features that Win2K users were used to along with the simplicity of the Mac interface. Using the Windows 2000 default color scheme and colors from Microsoft's logo was an obvious choice. I remember when the Luna skin was first shown, OSX users jumped around claiming MS was copying Apple when infact the colors have been used in MS's logo since the beginning of Windows. Several other features or color schemes OSX users thought was being ripped off by MS were being used on the Pocket PC OS in 2000.

cpac · Jun 15, 2002, 12:06 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by KellyHogan:
But take a look at Sosumi, some of the Windows or Platinum based themes and they look better than Aqua.<hr /></blockquote>Those are the sort of themes I was referring to as being "beautiful," but I really couldn't say they were more functional than Aqua. E.g. the close/minimize/maximize buttons of aqua actually make good stop-light style sense to new users.

(also claiming MS invented the use of red, blue, green and yellow is just ridiculous)

train · Jun 15, 2002, 05:01 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by KellyHogan:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by besson3c:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Hey, what are those default colors OSX uses to lure new users and 'switch' Windows users? Grey, blue, green, yellow and red. Strange. Looks like Windows 2000's default color scheme as well as Windows' logo.<hr /></blockquote>These color classes also account for a good percentage of all available choices. Are you saying that if you use these colors you're copying MS (or anybody else)?

I must be way off, but please help me with understanding your point. It has puzzled me.<hr /></blockquote>Possibly. When OSX was released the main competition came in the form on Windows 2000 (which is still better, at least until Jaguar's release). ... Using the Windows 2000 default color scheme and colors from Microsoft's logo was an obvious choice. <hr /></blockquote>I am completely stunned that someone believes this. I can' t even fathom it. Just the possibility that KellyHogan was not joking when he wrote this, boggles my mind so much it hurts. It has to be a joke, but I don't think it is. My life as a designer will forever be changed. I may have nightmares about no longer being able to use red, yellow, green, and blue without being accused of being a MS derivative. Strictly orange and violet from here on.

KellyHogan · Jun 15, 2002, 05:01 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by cpac:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by KellyHogan:
But take a look at Sosumi, some of the Windows or Platinum based themes and they look better than Aqua.<hr /></blockquote>Those are the sort of themes I was referring to as being "beautiful," but I really couldn't say they were more functional than Aqua. E.g. the close/minimize/maximize buttons of aqua actually make good stop-light style sense to new users.

(also claiming MS invented the use of red, blue, green and yellow is just ridiculous)<hr /></blockquote>As a color scheme for an operating system MS did. But you raise the same point any logically minded person would, whether you use OSX or Windows the metaphor is the same and not worth talking about when it comes to who was first Windows Or Mac. Neither was and we know why. Of course, Windows had minimize to Taskbar and the Mac had windowshade. So the Mac is taking the Windows route which has also been favored by flavors of Unix for a long time. If we ever wanted to play the 'who was first, who came last' game then I would rather bring up pre-emptive multi-tasking, memory management and SMP.

Kickaha · Jun 15, 2002, 05:09 PM

Well, that'd be oh, I dunno... UNIX, now wouldn't it?

And I have to say, that other than the logo, I can't recall much red, green, or yellow in Windows. Just grey. Lots and lots of grey. Dark muddled depressing grey. With dark blue swatches thrown in willy-nilly.

I hereby officially suggest that we turn KellyHogan over to the DEA. His body is obviously secreting a heretofore unknown hallucinogen of *incredible* power.

[ 06-15-2002, 05:17 PM: Message edited by: Kickaha ]

KellyHogan · Jun 15, 2002, 05:35 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Kickaha:
[QB]Well, that'd be oh, I dunno... UNIX, now wouldn't it?

And I have to say, that other than the logo, I can't recall much red, green, or yellow in Windows. Just grey. Lots and lots of grey. Dark muddled depressing grey. With dark blue swatches thrown in willy-nilly.
QB]<hr /></blockquote>It's the fricking colors from the Windows logo and used throughout Pocket PC too.

Me, I'll take the grey. That's why I use Graphite on OSX. Dark depressing Graphite. With dark blue swatches thrown in willy-nilly.

rlmorel · Jun 15, 2002, 06:15 PM

I just got my first real extended exposure to XP yesterday. My brother got a whole bunch of software programs for very little money (Trashware, Vomitware, whatever you call it) You know, Comptons Encyclopedia, Roger Tory Pedersons Bird atlas, etc. Well, we decided to install them one by one, and rate them. We only did four, and decided they were worthless. Oh well, he only paid a few bucks each.

The point is, I had a few hours to really look at it and study it. I use NT, 98, 95 and 2000 primarily, and have not had a chance to do much with XP. My impression is...XP is just, plain Butt Ugly. I really have to take issue with any IT person who says they don't like Macs because they are not "serious computers". XP is just, plain, ridiculous. I am not saying this to start a flame war. It is a silly looking OS. Now, maybe it can be skinned to make it look different, but out of the box, it just looks dumb.

The thing that really killed me, was using the help function. The default theme is a little dog. Cute, I guess, but totally frivolous. Perhaps the wizard is more businesslike. Not.

On the good side, it makes the Aqua theme look very serious and businesslike in comparison!

Developer · Jun 15, 2002, 06:29 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by cpac:

The close/minimize/maximize buttons of aqua actually make good stop-light style sense to new users.<hr /></blockquote>This has never been empirically proven. In fact none of my friends I showed the window widgets recognized the traffic lights metaphor.

On the other hand there is empiric proof that it is a bad idea to use red as a color for 'dangerous' controls.

york28 · Jun 16, 2002, 01:06 AM

I would have to agree that XP is horrid looking. And this has nothing to do with it being Windows, which does have some features that OSX lacks. It's just visually bloated, and colored for no real reason. And it's kinds round, but more, I dunno.....lumpy. Yuck.(By the way, if you do use XP, do yourself a favor and download an appearance called "Watercolor," which was the original look of XP, and is actually quite nice.)

I don't like Aqua too much either. It's way to busy for me personally. I'm using Milk right now, and it just now occurred to me that I don't know which widget is supposed to be which color because I haven't seen them in such a long time. Red, yellow, green, is that right?

I find it funny when there are arguements like this over who ripped off who in the OS world. Microsoft invented using what colors together in the Windows logo? How many of them were together years before in the now-defunt striped Apple logo? At least it had violet too......

HA!!!!!

And I honestly think that both OS's have bigger problems facing them than the color of their respective interfaces.

KellyHogan · Jun 16, 2002, 04:27 AM

I can't believe how stupid it is to judge an OS by its looks (even dumber when the OS supports themes). If that were the case then NeXT and Linux boxes should be deemed worthless crap too. SGI should abandon Irix quickly and load a big dumb slow GUI on there ASAP.

Fact remains, unless you're a computer brand worshipping 14 year old, you're going to be spending more time running apps than looking at how pretty System Preferences is or trying your target practise in the Finder. Windows runs apps faster than OSX, thats a hardware issue, but at least people can get on with their work without marvelling at special effects.

To put it bluntly, an OS with a FX loaded GUI will never be running most of the world's economy, will never be used by large accounting firms or banks, will never take the place of a cheap fast Linux render farm and so on.

These things are so obvious.

driven · Jun 16, 2002, 12:46 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by kmkkid:
Driven : you can get v3.1 at themexp.org and theres a rather lengthy thread about it on neowin.net's Forum.

And KellyHogan, you should like cool it with your windows statements, you are making even the best of us windows users look bad.

It's fine to stand up for something when it's being "dissed" or "bashed" but you don't need to glorify another OS on competitors website. lol

Chris<hr /></blockquote>Thank you. I appreciate the shove in the right direction.

The Placid Casual · Jun 16, 2002, 01:20 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by schep:
probably just a coincidence that apple an M$ both used it but are they so lame that they can't even give it transparancy so that there isn't a white background or at the very least use the same background color as the window

More proof that Windoze sux<hr /></blockquote>When OS X beta was released, the press pics showed the login screen...it contained a name and a picture next to it (obviously) ...can't remember the name but the picture was a yellow duck (kind you put in the bath...)

When the XP screen shots were released, it had the same name and same pictures that Apple had used...

I have some pics of the comparison somewhere...if I find them I'll post them.

The suitcase was a lot more than coincidence....

Marc

P.S. I usd a PC with XP for the first time last week...I found the text crisp clear and bright...however the menus taking over half of the screen nearly drove me mad.

KellyHogan · Jun 16, 2002, 01:56 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Marc2211:

P.S. I usd a PC with XP for the first time last week...I found the text crisp clear and bright...however the menus taking over half of the screen nearly drove me mad.[/QB]<hr /></blockquote>Same on OSX!

High res screens are in order.

Targon · Jun 16, 2002, 02:18 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by KellyHogan:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Marc2211:

P.S. I usd a PC with XP for the first time last week...I found the text crisp clear and bright...however the menus taking over half of the screen nearly drove me mad.<hr /></blockquote>Same on OSX!

High res screens are in order.[/QB]<hr /></blockquote>I think he was refering to the 15 submenu's nested in the start menu that span across the entire display to launch an app like system tools or the cd player <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />

Ken_F2 · Jun 16, 2002, 02:23 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />When the XP screen shots were released, it had the same name and same pictures that Apple had used...

I have some pics of the comparison somewhere...if I find them I'll post them.<hr /></blockquote>You see that because Apple and Microsoft do not design many of their icons and art. Rather, they pay for access to certain databases of art in their operating systems; as they pay to use the same art, naturally you are going to see some of the same art in both operating systems.

The Placid Casual · Jun 16, 2002, 04:39 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Targon:
I think he was refering to the 15 submenu's nested in the start menu that span across the entire display to launch an app like system tools or the cd player

<hr /></blockquote>I was indeed refering to the submenus...everytime I went anywhere near the start menu all 'menu hell' would break loose...

Although many hate the dock, I find it simple and elegant to use compared to the alternatives...now I have adapted to it, I would find it very, very hard use anything except OS X...

Marc

The Placid Casual · Jun 16, 2002, 04:41 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ken_F2:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />When the XP screen shots were released, it had the same name and same pictures that Apple had used...

I have some pics of the comparison somewhere...if I find them I'll post them.<hr /></blockquote>You see that because Apple and Microsoft do not design many of their icons and art. Rather, they pay for access to certain databases of art in their operating systems; as they pay to use the same art, naturally you are going to see some of the same art in both operating systems.<hr /></blockquote>Cheers for the info...I though it was too uncanny to be a coincidence...

Marc

KellyHogan · Jun 16, 2002, 05:50 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Marc2211:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Targon:
I think he was refering to the 15 submenu's nested in the start menu that span across the entire display to launch an app like system tools or the cd player

<hr /></blockquote>I was indeed refering to the submenus...everytime I went anywhere near the start menu all 'menu hell' would break loose...

Although many hate the dock, I find it simple and elegant to use compared to the alternatives...now I have adapted to it, I would find it very, very hard use anything except OS X...

Marc<hr /></blockquote>You never made a shortcut in Quicklaunch and then pinned it to the side of Window's desktop? It makes far more sense than the Dock. At the bottom of the screen I have the Taskbar and then on the right of the screen I have my apps running down it. I hardly touch the Start menu, I don't think a barely use it at all. I never was a fan of the Apple Application Menu or Switcher either (I used A-Dock).

The Placid Casual · Jun 16, 2002, 06:48 PM

I don't use short cuts. They clutter up my desktop and in a sorted GUI I think that they should not be necessary...this is just my opinion though.

I reserve my desktop for 'active' files that I am working on, hence I use it as a digital 'desktop', not a glorified application launching area...the dock proves that you don't need shortcuts if the GUI is well thought out and implemented.

Oh, and I made 2 shortcuts in XP and everytime I started the machine it said that the original file could not be located...seems hardly as fool proof as the dock to me...

I don't come to MacNN to discuss the merits and demerits of the Mac OS against Windows...I made that decsion when I purchased first Macintosh and reaffirmed it in the many years that I have been exclusively Apple based. Hence I am no longer participating in this thread.

Peace,

Marc

P.S. everyone DFTT

Targon · Jun 16, 2002, 06:53 PM

I personally think the windows taskbar is pretty sad affair compared to say the Panel in Gnome. The winhoez applications rarely respect or take into account window placement when the taskbar is up the top of the sceen. Too many times have i seen windows open up under or onto of the taskbar when it is at the top of the display.

I find the ability to show/hide the dock is a better solution that countless shortcuts on the desktop, thats just me tho.

Hey Kelly, do you know how to force WindowsXP to retain a view setting a user may change in the open/save dialogs?

Scenario......launch an application, hit control+o as if u were to open a file, in the dialog hit the "view" setting button and change it from "list" to "details" view. Now select an open a file. Once the file is in, now do the same thing, notice how the dialog defaults back to "list" view? This is obviously a bug since there is no way i have found to make the dialogs remember the view settings. The poor user, if he/she likes details view must change this every single time the dialog be it open or save is used.
Got any ideas on how to resolve this?

TNproud2b · Jun 16, 2002, 07:02 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Targon:
I personally think the windows taskbar is pretty sad affair compared to say the Panel in Gnome. The winhoez applications rarely respect or take into account window placement when the taskbar is up the top of the sceen. Too many times have i seen windows open up under or onto of the taskbar when it is at the top of the display.

I find the ability to show/hide the dock is a better solution that countless shortcuts on the desktop, thats just me tho.

Hey Kelly, do you know how to force WindowsXP to retain a view setting a user may change in the open/save dialogs?

Scenario......launch an application, hit control+o as if u were to open a file, in the dialog hit the "view" setting button and change it from "list" to "details" view. Now select an open a file. Once the file is in, now do the same thing, notice how the dialog defaults back to "list" view? This is obviously a bug since there is no way i have found to make the dialogs remember the view settings. The poor user, if he/she likes details view must change this every single time the dialog be it open or save is used.
Got any ideas on how to resolve this?<hr /></blockquote>It saved the view preference for me. Are your updates current?

Metzen · Jun 16, 2002, 07:26 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by KellyHogan:
I can't believe how stupid it is to judge an OS by its looks (even dumber when the OS supports themes). If that were the case then NeXT and Linux boxes should be deemed worthless crap too. SGI should abandon Irix quickly and load a big dumb slow GUI on there ASAP.
<hr /></blockquote>Quickly, let's get rid of all supermodels too! Looks drive nearly all industries... You may like fat pr0n, but I'm sure the rest of us would look at something more pleasant...

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by KellyHogan:
Fact remains, unless you're a computer brand worshipping 14 year old, you're going to be spending more time running apps than looking at how pretty System Preferences is or trying your target practise in the Finder. Windows runs apps faster than OSX, thats a hardware issue, but at least people can get on with their work without marvelling at special effects.
<hr /></blockquote>I don't think 95% of all computer users (that's your average Joe) care about running XXX or YYY applications. They care about how your computer looks and works. These are the people that drive the industry your talking about.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by KellyHogan:
To put it bluntly, an OS with a FX loaded GUI will never be running most of the world's economy, will never be used by large accounting firms or banks, will never take the place of a cheap fast Linux render farm and so on.
<hr /></blockquote>That maybe true, but the computer's used in banks, Linux render farms or large accounting firms are in the minority of all computers purchased. The computers used in banks and large accounting firms tend to be specialized computers anyways, not some junk PC thrown together and then Linux installed on top of it.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by KellyHogan:
These things are so obvious.<hr /></blockquote>Indeed.

Mac Zealot · Jun 16, 2002, 09:07 PM

The 'platinum' remnants in OS X are far fewer than the windows me accents in xp

What's the point of having personalized menus? I turned them off on my pcs when I had them, but just the fact that they exist is annoying.

Gul Banana · Jun 16, 2002, 09:45 PM

Well, at least XP themes are colourful...

Kickaha · Jun 16, 2002, 11:59 PM

So is puking up a Taco Bell Grande Enchilada.

Neither is particularly appealing.

Ken_F2 · Jun 17, 2002, 03:11 AM

Here are some other free themes for Windows XP...Some are nice, others sort of stink...

<img src="http://kfowler.bizland.com/temp/11.png" alt=" - " /> <img src="http://kfowler.bizland.com/temp/15.png" alt=" - " />

<img src="http://kfowler.bizland.com/temp/13.png" alt=" - " /> <img src="http://kfowler.bizland.com/temp/14.png" alt=" - " />

<img src="http://kfowler.bizland.com/temp/12.png" alt=" - " /> <img src="http://kfowler.bizland.com/temp/17.png" alt=" - " />

<img src="http://kfowler.bizland.com/temp/16.png" alt=" - " /> <img src="http://kfowler.bizland.com/temp/18.png" alt=" - " />

Ken_F2 · Jun 17, 2002, 03:12 AM

<img src="http://kfowler.bizland.com/temp/19.png" alt=" - " /> <img src="http://kfowler.bizland.com/temp/20.png" alt=" - " />

<img src="http://kfowler.bizland.com/temp/21.png" alt=" - " /> <img src="http://kfowler.bizland.com/temp/22.png" alt=" - " />

<img src="http://kfowler.bizland.com/temp/23.png" alt=" - " /> <img src="http://kfowler.bizland.com/temp/24.png" alt=" - " />

<img src="http://kfowler.bizland.com/temp/25.png" alt=" - " />

There are also several brushed metal themes, but I don't have one installed (and didn't see one on the theme site...maybe Apple requested that it be removed?).

Can you believe it...some vendors actually put together themes that they want you to pay for...<a href="http://kfowler.bizland.com/temp/ripoff.jpg" target="_blank">this one (picture)</a> costs $8.

[ 06-17-2002, 03:13 AM: Message edited by: Ken_F2 ]

rlmorel · Jun 17, 2002, 05:30 AM

From the "brain" of KellyHogan:
"I can't believe how stupid it is to judge an OS by its looks"

You don't judge anything by it's looks? That has no bearing at all on your decision to buy a house? To choose a car?

Metzen hit the nail on the head.

The main problem with statements by people like KellyHogan is not that they are outright stupid (at least a portion of the time) but that they often are not thought out completely and show a lack of discipline.

Yeah, I don't care how my OS looks. I'll stick with a command line.

Dork.

KellyHogan · Jun 17, 2002, 02:18 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by rlmorel:
From the "brain" of KellyHogan:
"I can't believe how stupid it is to judge an OS by its looks"
d show a lack of discipline.

Yeah, I don't care how my OS looks. I'll stick with a command line.

Dork.<hr /></blockquote>Good. You'll be more productive confined to a command line.

Ken_F2 · Jun 17, 2002, 02:23 PM

Another interesting theme....my, some people have way too much time on their hands.

<img src="http://www.angelfire.com/art/2addictive/XtremeXP_Screen1024.txt" alt=" - " />

TC · Jun 17, 2002, 06:19 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by KellyHogan:
Hey, what are those default colors OSX uses to lure new users and 'switch' Windows users? Grey, blue, green, yellow and red. Strange. Looks like Windows 2000's default color scheme as well as Windows' logo.<hr /></blockquote>You are so spot on, those colors had never been popular until Microsoft started using them, I�m surprised they didn�t try to copyright the use of those colors and charge people for using them together!

Well at least they have cursed us all with sRGB and reduced the amount of ways we can mix these colors to produce other more lifelike colors in photographs, good old Microsoft. I found this quote on their web site:
"Aristotle did not likely comprehend the era of digital color, but his statement that "simplicity is the truest elegance" could apply to color imaging as well. I think he would appreciate sRGB."
A shame that they can�t apply the statement to their Operating System, I guess Aristotle would be a mac guy and appear in an Apple ad after coming over from the dark side.

Oh and by the way I am forced to have a Windows 2000 machine for testing web sites and there is no way on this f*cking planet that it is better than Mac OS X. Speed is not the only issue when using a computer, becoming enraged by useless help systems and unintuitive interfaces puts a real downer on my day.

rlmorel · Jun 17, 2002, 10:50 PM

Gee, KellyHogan. I am sorry. I directed that dork comment at you BECAUSE I thought you were a computer brand worshiping 14 year old. My apologies.

timmerk · Jun 18, 2002, 12:59 AM

no, microsoft DID copy the suitcase for the guest account, just like before wi the duck. os 9 had a duck for the guest account and so did some versions of windows. same one too, just flipped.

KellyHogan · Jun 18, 2002, 03:46 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by timmerk:
no, microsoft DID copy the suitcase for the guest account, just like before wi the duck. os 9 had a duck for the guest account and so did some versions of windows. same one too, just flipped.<hr /></blockquote>Did you happen to notice the post where it was explained that M$ and crApple both buy their images from the same source?

TC · Jun 18, 2002, 05:27 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by KellyHogan:
Did you happen to notice the post where it was explained that M$ and crApple both buy their images from the same source?<hr /></blockquote>Explained or suggested?

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Mediaman_12
That suitcase pic probably comes from a commercial image collection, and it's going to be just a coincidence that both Apple & MS have chosen it.<hr /></blockquote>Not surprising to see you paraphrasing things to suit your point of view yet again.

Its_me · Jun 18, 2002, 12:23 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by rlmorel:
Gee, KellyHogan. I am sorry. I directed that dork comment at you BECAUSE I thought you were a computer brand worshiping 14 year old. My apologies.<hr /></blockquote>KellyHogan is NOT A DORK!!! He is simply a guy who does not believe in Fancy Physics

Ken_F2 · Jun 18, 2002, 01:57 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Explained or suggested?<hr /></blockquote>Explained.

On one of Microsoft's newgroups, an employee responded to the question in detail and explained that both Apple and Microsoft paid for the same source of images. I believe they even went so far as to quote the particular source of one of the images (which the previous individual asked about). This was some time ago, it's not new news.

Spirit_VW · Jun 18, 2002, 02:28 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by KellyHogan:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by timmerk:
no, microsoft DID copy the suitcase for the guest account, just like before wi the duck. os 9 had a duck for the guest account and so did some versions of windows. same one too, just flipped.<hr /></blockquote>Did you happen to notice the post where it was explained that M$ and crApple both buy their images from the same source?<hr /></blockquote>I guess it's not so "obvious" that the luggage was just an updated My Briefcase icon, huh KH?