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itai195 · May 11, 2004, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by Adam Betts:
Definitely GC

Sweet. I probably should get around to finishing Wind Waker one of these days... Ahh, the horrors of having less time for gaming

Severed Hand of Skywalker · May 11, 2004, 03:33 PM

Originally posted by fireside:
what are you talking about? they previewed the superphotorealistic Zelda like, 3 years before WW came out, then the next year they showed us the cell-shaded Zelda. The year after that they showed us a revised cell-shaded Zelda.

Ya so, they still changed it after showing it in normal form. Against everyones wishes.

Also Starfox was originally Dinosaur planet for N64, they then canceled it, slapped starfox in it and made it a GameCube launch title.

fireside · May 11, 2004, 03:34 PM

Originally posted by Adam Betts:
Definitely GC

agreed. Nintendo said they've been working on a Zelda sequel for GC for a while now. that and they showed us nothing about Revolution so i doubt its for that.

fireside · May 11, 2004, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
Ya so, they still changed it after showing it in normal form. Against everyones wishes.

Also Starfox was originally Dinosaur planet for N64, they then canceled it, slapped starfox in it and made it a GameCube launch title.

i don't know where you're getting this stuff about slapping Starfox on it. it was ALWAYS a starfox game, even when they were making it for N64.

yes, they changed the art style, but not at the last minute. they gave us what, 2, 3 years warning?

Hawkeye_a · May 11, 2004, 03:38 PM

Realistic Zelda (ONLY FOR NINTENDO GAMECUBE. watch this n weep

)

http://media.nintendo.com/mediaFiles...db10bdaef0.mov

definately the highlight of the presentation.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · May 11, 2004, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by fireside:
i don't know where you're getting this stuff about slapping Starfox on it. it was ALWAYS a starfox game, even when they were making it for N64.

You are 100% wrong.
http://ign64.ign.com/articles/134/134516p1.html

Agasthya · May 11, 2004, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by Hawkeye_a:
Realistic Zelda (ONLY FOR NINTENDO GAMECUBE. watch this n weep )

http://media.nintendo.com/mediaFiles...db10bdaef0.mov

definately the highlight of the presentation.

Wow. I was getting 1.1MB/sec from that server. amazing.

The video is kind of nice too

fireside · May 11, 2004, 03:56 PM

im getting an internal server error when i try to connect to nintendo.com

is anyone else?

Nebagakid · May 11, 2004, 03:57 PM

a quote from when i was watching it :

"THAT IS TOTALYLL****JING ASWOPSEOM!YEAS"

This is ****ing incredible, I love it.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · May 11, 2004, 03:58 PM

Originally posted by fireside:
im getting an internal server error when i try to connect to nintendo.com

is anyone else?

Try this:
http://ign64.ign.com/articles/134/134516p1.html

Hawkeye_a · May 11, 2004, 03:59 PM

The only thing lacking in that video, in my opinion was the sounds/music. Sounded liek something from the N64. I hope they get the boston Pops to make the sound track for the game. i got a "Legend of Zelda" tune that they performed, and it would fit that visual style perfectly.

Apart for resident Evil 4, i think those were the best graphics ive ever seen.... environments, lighting effects, character detail, textures, animation(although it did look a bit choppy in places), and the shading style is unbeleivable....it definately retained it's fantasy/childish/unreal element which i respect.

itai195 · May 11, 2004, 03:59 PM

Originally posted by Hawkeye_a:
The only thing lacking in that video, in my opinion was the sounds/music. Sounded liek something from the N64. I hope they get the boston Pops to make the sound track for the game. i got a "Legend of Zelda" tune that they performed, and it would fit that visual style perfectly.

Those are usually added last. What you heard in the demo is probably not what will be in the final game.

fireside · May 11, 2004, 04:01 PM

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
Try this:
http://ign64.ign.com/articles/134/134516p1.html

what do you want me to say? you win. my info was wrong. who cares?

feel better now?

starman · May 11, 2004, 04:01 PM

/me passes out

Severed Hand of Skywalker · May 11, 2004, 04:03 PM

Originally posted by Hawkeye_a:
The only thing lacking in that video, in my opinion was the sounds/music. Sounded liek something from the N64. I hope they get the boston Pops to make the sound track for the game. i got a "Legend of Zelda" tune that they performed, and it would fit that visual style perfectly.

Nintedo's music has always sounded a bit spotty. They seem to like that MIDI sounding stuff. I thought with the gamecube they would break that mold but all the inhouse Nintendo games still sound so dinkey when others have done amazing things.

Believe it or not there are still space concerns with the GameCube. On Prince of Persia the music on the GC version is more compressed next to the PS2 and XBOX and it sounds dinkey.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · May 11, 2004, 04:05 PM

Originally posted by fireside:
what do you want me to say? you win. my info was wrong. who cares?

You cared, that is why you were making a point of it

fireside · May 11, 2004, 04:05 PM

alright, whoever can get me pictures of Metroid Prime 2: Echoes (new ones mind you) gets a cookie.

edit: nevermind, its working now.

fireside · May 11, 2004, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
Nintedo's music has always sounded a bit spotty. They seem to like that MIDI sounding stuff. I thought with the gamecube they would break that mold but all the inhouse Nintendo games still sound so dinkey when others have done amazing things.

Metroid Prime's music was entirely MIDI, and it sounds badass. i'm not sure if Wind Waker is MIDI, but its awesome too.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · May 11, 2004, 04:12 PM

Originally posted by fireside:
Metroid Prime's music was entirely MIDI, and it sounds badass. i'm not sure if Wind Waker is MIDI, but its awesome too.

Metriod was better you're right but wind walker was so so. The quality is still nothing close as to what factor 5 does with the gamecube.

Also, the lack of voices in the cut scenes of Zelda was hugely disappointing. Space concerns again.

So when do you guys think we will see Zelda, I don't think it will be till mid/late next year. No way will it get here for Christmas with Nintendos record.

SOLIDAge · May 11, 2004, 04:12 PM

can we PLEASE get back on topic?
...

MUAHAHAHA
NINTENDO=PWNED!!!!!

discuss.

fireside · May 11, 2004, 04:14 PM

Originally posted by SOLIDAge:
can we PLEASE get back on topic?
...

MUAHAHAHA
NINTENDO=PWNED!!!!!

discuss.

with what? a picture of it? i see no specs. or games.

fireside · May 11, 2004, 04:17 PM

Metroid Prime 2: Ecoes movie

MindFad · May 11, 2004, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by fireside:
Metroid Prime 2: Ecoes movie

Awesome.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · May 11, 2004, 04:27 PM

Originally posted by fireside:
with what? a picture of it? i see no specs. or games.

Oh, here are the incredible specs. Wi-fi 1.8 GIGS storage, widescreen, and USB for digital cameras. Even has video out and is more powerful then the PS2.

Specs:
http://psp.ign.com/articles/512/512195p1.html?fromint=1

Game:
http://psp.ign.com/articles/511/511998p1.html

10-12 within the first year JUST from EA.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · May 11, 2004, 04:30 PM

Originally posted by fireside:
Metroid Prime 2: Ecoes movie

Very awesome. Doesn't LOOK as good as Zelda though. Nothing does.

mishap · May 11, 2004, 04:32 PM

New Zelda looks ok.

The DS looks like ass.

The PSP will be dope...let's see if apple pulls something out of their ass before i buy one.

fireside · May 11, 2004, 04:37 PM

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
Oh, here are the incredible specs. Wi-fi 1.8 GIGS storage, widescreen, and USB for digital cameras. Even has video out and is more powerful then the PS2.

Specs:
http://psp.ign.com/articles/512/512195p1.html?fromint=1

Game:
http://psp.ign.com/articles/511/511998p1.html

10-12 within the first year JUST from EA.

battery life with all those things? 3, 4 minutes?

Cheesy McBadger · May 11, 2004, 04:38 PM

Six hours (rechargable).

Or so SCEI claims.

Drop the Nintendo zealot attitude. It's annoying.

mishap · May 11, 2004, 04:39 PM

but, what is the resolution?

only 480 x 272 (that could help battery a bit

fireside · May 11, 2004, 04:40 PM

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
Very awesome. Doesn't LOOK as good as Zelda though. Nothing does.

well of course. i'm sure Retro is using the Metroid Prime engine for Echoes, updating it slightly, and its a given that Nintendo's new Zelda engine will be better.

fireside · May 11, 2004, 04:41 PM

Originally posted by Cheesy McBadger:
Six hours (rechargable).

Or so SCEI claims.

Drop the Nintendo zealot attitude. It's annoying.

didn't realize i had a nintendo zealot attitude. i just find it hard to believe that there is going to be a somewhat long battery life with all of those features.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · May 11, 2004, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by fireside:
battery life with all those things? 3, 4 minutes?

Now you are just being fanboy.

6 HOURS! Plus it will do much more then just play games.

mishap · May 11, 2004, 04:46 PM

Originally posted by fireside:
battery life with all those things? 3, 4 minutes?

You know it wont be doing all those things at once, right?

SOLIDAge · May 11, 2004, 04:48 PM

Originally posted by fireside:
with what? a picture of it? i see no specs. or games.

ask, and yee shal recieve.

PSP Product Specifications
Product Name: PlayStation Portable (PSP)
Color: Black
Dimensions: Approx. 170 mm (L) x 74 mm (W) x 23 mm (D)
Weight: Approx. 260 g (including battery)
CPU: PSP CPU(System clock frequency 1~333MHz)
Main Memory: 32MB
Embedded DRAM: 4MB
Display:
_ *4.3 inch, 16:9 widescreen TFT LCD
_ *480 x 272 pixel (16.77 million colors)
_ *Max. 200 cd/m2 (with brightness control)
Speakers: Built-in stereo speakers
Main Input/Output:
_ *IEEE 802.11b (Wi-Fi)
_ *USB 2.0 (Target)
_ *Memory Stick(TM) PRO Duo
_ *IrDA
_ *IR Remote (SIRCS)
Disc Drive: UMD Drive (Playback only)
Profile:
_ *PSP Game
_ *UMD Audio
_ *UMD Video
Main Connectors:
_ * DC OUT 5V
_ *Terminals for charging built-in battery
_ *Headphone/Microphone/Control connector
Keys/Switches:
_ *Directional buttons (Up/Down/Right/Left)
_ *Analog pad
_ *Enter keys (Triangle, Circle, Cross, Square)
_ *Left, Right keys
_ *START, SELECT, HOME
_ *POWER On/Hold/Off switch
_ *Brightness control, Sound Mode, Volume +/-
_ *Wireless LAN On/Off switch
_ *UMD Eject
Power: Built-in lithium-ion battery, AC adaptor
Access Control: Region Code, Parental Control
Accessories:
_ *Stand
_ *Headphone with remote commander
_ *Headphone with remote commander and microphone
_ *External battery pack
_ *Case
_ *Strap
E3 Prototype Exhibition:
_ *USB Camera for PSP
_ *USB GPS for PSP
_ *USB Keyboard for PSP

UMD Specifications
Dimensions: Approx. 65 mm (W) x 64 mm (D) x 4.2 mm (H)
Weight: Approx. 10g
Disc Diameter: 60 mm
Maximum Capacity: 1.8GB (Single-sided, dual layer)
Laser wavelength: 660nm (Red laser)
Encryption: AES 128bit
Profile:
_ *PSP Game (full function)
_ * UMD Audio (codec ATRAC3plus(TM), PCM, (MPEG4 AVC))
_ * UMD Video (codec MPEG4 AVC, ATRAC3plus(TM), Caption PNG)

Peter · May 11, 2004, 04:56 PM

Originally posted by SOLIDAge:
ask, and yee shal recieve.

where did you find that?

OwlBoy · May 11, 2004, 04:59 PM

Wooo ha!

-Owl

SOLIDAge · May 11, 2004, 05:14 PM

Originally posted by Peter:
where did you find that?

Playstation.com

here an article that has em as well
http://www.1up.com/article2/0,2053,1590675,00.asp

oh ya
and some hi res shots?

Severed Hand of Skywalker · May 11, 2004, 05:16 PM

She is official. You can watch movies on it which makes the idea of a video iPod a less attractive idea.

http://psp.ign.com/articles/513/513479p1.html

djohnson · May 11, 2004, 05:20 PM

Originally posted by SOLIDAge:
ask, and yee shal recieve.

Man, you think they can add more junk to it?

Severed Hand of Skywalker · May 11, 2004, 05:22 PM

Originally posted by djohnson:
Man, you think they can add more junk to it?

Like a second screen that shows a map?

even with all that "junk" it is the same size as the Gameboy DS and does much more:

I like this image:

Millennium · May 11, 2004, 05:33 PM

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
She is official. You can watch movies on it which makes the idea of a video iPod a less attractive idea.

http://psp.ign.com/articles/513/513479p1.html

Two years. That's how long I give it.

They've tried to shrink a PlayStation, and -unfortunately for them- succeeded. They're in for a rude awakening when they find out how different the portable market is from the console market.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · May 11, 2004, 05:35 PM

Originally posted by Millennium:
Two years. That's how long I give it.

They've tried to shrink a PlayStation, and -unfortunately for them- succeeded. They're in for a rude awakening when they find out how different the portable market is from the console market.

Two years to overtake gameboy? Sounds reasonable.

What is so wrong with it?

Millennium · May 11, 2004, 05:35 PM

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
BOOYA! Zelda is back and he is not cell shaded!

Aww, was Mr. Winkie looking a little small with that game?

Severed Hand of Skywalker · May 11, 2004, 05:37 PM

Originally posted by Millennium:
Aww, was Mr. Winkie looking a little small with that game?

Nope, he's is as large as ever. Nice try though, if you look at my previous comments on Zelda you will see my say the cell shading is the best looking Zelda ever and it was my favorite of all the Zeldas.

SUCKER!

Millennium · May 11, 2004, 05:43 PM

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
Two years to overtake gameboy? Sounds reasonable.

Two years to die.

What is so wrong with it?

Exactly what I said was wrong: they tried to shrink a PlayStation.

The major thing the PS (and PS2) have going for them is their huge, sprawling RPGs with hour-long FMV sequences. Those work great on a console, but do not translate well into the portable market. This isn't to say that RPCs don't work in portables -they do- but it's a very different design philosophy. How do I know it's going to die? Because I heard the announcement to port Metal Gear Solid, just as you did. A great game and a great series, but there's a reason that Ghost Babel failed on the GBC.

Basically, Sony is trying to shoehorn a 30-inch system into a 6-inch screen, much as Sega (Game Gear), NEC (TurboExpress), Atari (Lynx), SNK (NGPC), and Bandai (WonderSwan) all tried to do before them. All had technically superior hardware to the Game Boys of the time, and the PSP is no different in that regard, but good hardware isn't enough. That is why they failed; it's not that they didn't have good games and hardware, it's that they didn't have good portable games and hardware.

This is the one thing that Nintendo understands which they never have: the portable market is different. No one who doesn't treat it as such will ever be able to unseat Nintendo.

Millennium · May 11, 2004, 05:44 PM

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
Nope, he's is as large as ever. Nice try though, if you look at my previous comments on Zelda you will see my say the cell shading is the best looking Zelda ever and it was my favorite of all the Zeldas.

SUCKER!

Then why such a wonderful thing that it's gone? I mourn for Nintendo's going back to the classic PPLQ graphics, frankly; I want to see more experimentation with style, and WW was one of the best examples of that.

djohnson · May 11, 2004, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by Millennium:
...This is the one thing that Nintendo understands which they never have: the portable market is different. No one who doesn't treat it as such will ever be able to unseat Nintendo.

Exactly. I can play on an old gameboy a really long time on 1 set of batteries. Would I have played the Zelda and Metroid games if I had to recharge every 6 hours? No way! 2 years and it will be cancelled. See my above post, you think they can squeeze anything else into it???

djohnson · May 11, 2004, 05:51 PM

Originally posted by Millennium:
Then why such a wonderful thing that it's gone? I mourn for Nintendo's going back to the classic PPLQ graphics, frankly; I want to see more experimentation with style, and WW was one of the best examples of that.

The more I played Wind Waker the better it became. Too bad I couldnt finish the game! At the very end too...

Oh well, maybe my friend will let me borrow it when he comes up this weekend. The new Zelda does look cool though!

Severed Hand of Skywalker · May 11, 2004, 05:52 PM

Originally posted by Millennium:
Then why such a wonderful thing that it's gone? I mourn for Nintendo's going back to the classic PPLQ graphics, frankly; I want to see more experimentation with style, and WW was one of the best examples of that.

I assume they just want to do something different or they really want to shake that kiddy image. Perhaps enough people also bitched.

If I just heard that the cell shading was gone I would be disappointed but by the look of the new one I really like the darker feel but only because the advanced graphics make it look convincing.

itai195 · May 11, 2004, 06:05 PM

Originally posted by Millennium:
Basically, Sony is trying to shoehorn a 30-inch system into a 6-inch screen, much as Sega (Game Gear), NEC (TurboExpress), Atari (Lynx), SNK (NGPC), and Bandai (WonderSwan) all tried to do before them. All had technically superior hardware to the Game Boys of the time, and the PSP is no different in that regard, but good hardware isn't enough. That is why they failed; it's not that they didn't have good games and hardware, it's that they didn't have good portable games and hardware.

This is the one thing that Nintendo understands which they never have: the portable market is different. No one who doesn't treat it as such will ever be able to unseat Nintendo.

I disagree, this is the same kind of rhetoric people used to argue that Sony could never succeed in gaming back when they released the PlayStation in 1995. We'll see how it turns out, but I've learned not to underestimate them. They do have considerable experience with portable electronics (not video games though, true) and should be able to leverage that somewhat. They understand the game industry well and will be able to leverage that. It's not just RPGs that make their platform popular, in fact GTA and Gran Turismo are probably bigger franchises than FF now. Besides -- FF-like RPGs can succeed on a portable system, just in a different form.