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aberdeenwriter · Jul 19, 2006, 02:37 AM

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/

Adam Dreamhealer This 19-year-old claims to cure through touch and visualization. (ABC News)

Adam on 'Primetime'

ABC's Primetime recently devoted an hour to examining the powers and practices of the 19-year old Canadian known as Adam Dreamhealer. This article recounts the cases of several people they followed, who came to Adam to receive healings. In response to the ABC show, the Dreamhealer website issued a page of comments.

http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/stor...C-RSSFeeds0312
Nineteen-Year-Old Says His Touch Can Cure Diseases

By JOHN QUINONES, GEOFF MARTZ, KIM LAUNIER

July 13, 2006 — Adam Dreamhealer is not your average 19-year-old. This Canadian college student makes more than most doctors do. He says he can heal people with just his hands.

ABC News estimates that Adam will make more than $1 million this year, and that doesn't include the income from his books, DVDs and $150 healing sessions he offers over the Internet.

The $1.2 million does include his seminar work in darkened rooms, with 600 people gathered before him. That's when Adam goes into a trancelike state and begins to work what some say is magic.

It was at the age of 15, Adam says, that he began manifesting bizarre powers. "All these strange telekinetic things [started] happening around me. Just little things like pencils flying out of my hands, erasers flying out of my hands," he said.

Now Adam says he channels that power into healing cancers and infections.

Linda Peterson, a fourth-grade teacher from Minnesota, says she experienced the healing benefits of Adam's hands.

http://dreamhealer.com/dreamhealer_c..._show_54_a.htm

aberdeenwriter · Jul 19, 2006, 02:45 AM

Adam is a guest on tonite's Coast to Coast AM with George Noory. If you can't tune in tonite you can access this and any of their past shows by becoming a member of their insider program called STREAMLINK.

Appx $6/mo.

Anyone with chronic, debilitating, hopeless or terminal illness might want to look into his claims.

Chuckit · Jul 19, 2006, 03:23 AM

I hear snake oil works faster.

kmkkid · Jul 19, 2006, 05:37 AM

He's cute, scam artist or not

Salty · Jul 19, 2006, 06:00 AM

Originally Posted by kmkkid

He's cute, scam artist or not

I confess I was thinking the same thing

ShortcutToMoncton · Jul 19, 2006, 06:01 AM

Yadda yadda yadda. Move along. Nothing to see here.

greg

aberdeenwriter · Jul 19, 2006, 06:04 AM

Originally Posted by kmkkid

He's cute, scam artist or not

Originally Posted by Salty

I confess I was thinking the same thing

AND he's a millionaire. REALLY!

Not to mention that he knows what ails ya and can fix it fer ya!

scaught · Jul 19, 2006, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by aberdeenwriter

Anyone with chronic, debilitating, hopeless or terminal illness might want to look into his claims.

right.

Landos Mustache · Jul 19, 2006, 09:51 AM

I got some other uses for his hands.

Eug Wanker · Jul 19, 2006, 09:51 AM

Only in Amrerica!

tooki · Jul 19, 2006, 10:15 AM

A "quantum hologram", eh? Suuure..

I should invent a healing cult of some sort. I'd be rich!

tooki

Landos Mustache · Jul 19, 2006, 11:30 AM

Hey, if he is smart enough to convince stupid people to give him money then more power to him.

scaught · Jul 19, 2006, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

Hey, if he is smart enough to convince stupid people to give him money then more power to him.

amen!

(LOL)

tooki · Jul 19, 2006, 12:43 PM

Agreed! (I might think differently if he told people to avoid conventional treatment in lieu of his -- which could really put someone in harm's way -- but he says his healing is complementary to conventional treatment.)

tooki

Dakar · Jul 19, 2006, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by tooki

Agreed! (I might think differently if he told people to avoid conventional treatment in lieu of his -- which could really put someone in harm's way -- but he says his healing is complementary to conventional treatment.)

tooki

Complementary like a placebo effect.

Landos Mustache · Jul 19, 2006, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by tooki

Agreed! (I might think differently if he told people to avoid conventional treatment in lieu of his -- which could really put someone in harm's way -- but he says his healing is complementary to conventional treatment.)

tooki

That's because when medicine cures them he can take credit.

Who knows, it might even help a little on a placebo level.

Gossamer · Jul 19, 2006, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by tooki

I should invent a healing cult of some sort. I'd be rich!

tooki

Or a religion!

Shaddim · Jul 19, 2006, 12:58 PM

Even if he has no real healing ability (personally, I believe he is somewhat gifted in this area), he does have the ability to give people hope. The human body can heal itself as long as a person doesn't give in to despair. I know, I've been there.

Shaddim · Jul 19, 2006, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

That's because when medicine cures them he can take credit.

Who knows, it might even help a little on a placebo level.

More than just a little.

aberdeenwriter · Jul 19, 2006, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

That's because when medicine cures them he can take credit.

Who knows, it might even help a little on a placebo level.

Al "Jazzbo" Collins was a legendary Jazz DJ.

I wonder who would have a nickname like "placebo?"

An MD who dabbles in Real Estate?

tooki · Jul 19, 2006, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by Gossamer

Or a religion!

Hence why I said "cult".

tooki

Eug Wanker · Jul 19, 2006, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by MacNStein

personally, I believe he is somewhat gifted in this area

Gossamer · Jul 19, 2006, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by tooki

Hence why I said "cult".

tooki

Gossamer needs to work on his reading comprehension.

Landos Mustache · Jul 19, 2006, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by MacNStein

The human body can heal itself as long as a person doesn't give in to despair. I know, I've been there.

People in coma's heal.

Did you test your results with another test by having no hope and seeing if you got worse?

Shaddim · Jul 19, 2006, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

I'm an occultist and a mystic, what do you expect?

Also, I've seen and performed similar things, visualization combined with will is an extremely powerful duo.

aberdeenwriter · Jul 19, 2006, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

Just remember what they did to Galileo for thinking as he did. There are things and forces we just don't yet understand.

Eug Wanker · Jul 19, 2006, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by MacNStein

Also, I've seen and performed similar things, visualization combined with will is an extremely powerful duo.

Originally Posted by aberdeenwriter

Just remember what they did to Galileo for thinking as he did. There are things and forces we just don't yet understand.

Adam Dreamhealer ≠ Galileo

Shaddim · Jul 19, 2006, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

People in coma's heal.

Did you test your results with another test by having no hope and seeing if you got worse?

Yes, I did. My cancer was getting worse, and I was lost in despair. When a friend intervened (cussed me out), and I decided to "wake up", within weeks my cancer stopped growing and soon after went into remission. Since then, I've been perfectly clean.

Landos Mustache · Jul 19, 2006, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by MacNStein

Yes, I did. My cancer was getting worse, and I was lost in despair. When a friend intervened (cussed me out), and I decided to "wake up", within weeks my cancer stopped growing and soon after went into remission. Since then, I've been perfectly clean.

And you don't think it could have been the meds but because you were happy?

Shaddim · Jul 19, 2006, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

And you don't think it could have been the meds but because you were happy?

Both.

http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.p...er#post2190969

edit: and I wasn't "happy", I was completely f**king pissed off.

Eug Wanker · Jul 19, 2006, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by Landos Mustache

People in coma's heal.

Did you test your results with another test by having no hope and seeing if you got worse?

I think that emotional well-being in an individual can affect his physical well-being.

BTW, I also find this article interesting...

Prayer does not heal the sick, study finds

Praying for the health of strangers who have undergone heart surgery has no effect, according to the largest scientific study ever commissioned to calculate the healing power of prayer.

The power of intercessory prayer has been studied by doctors for years in America, but with no conclusive results. This $2.4 million study, funded in large part by the John Templeton Foundation, which seeks "insights at the boundary between theology and science", was intended to cast some clear light on the matter.

Members of three congregations - St. Paul's Monastery in St. Paul; the Community of Teresian Carmelites in Worcester, Massachussetts; and Silent Unity, a Missouri prayer ministry near Kansas City - were asked to pray for the patients, who were divided into three groups: those who would be told they were being prayed for, those who would receive prayers but not know, and those who would not be prayed for at all.

The worshippers starting praying for the patients the night before surgery and for the next two weeks, asking God to grant "a successful surgery with a quick, healthy recovery and no complications".

The study found no appreciable difference between the health of those who did not know they were being prayed for and those who received no prayers. Fifty-two per cent of patients in both groups suffered complications after surgery. But 59 per cent of those who knew they were prayed for went on to develop complications.

The reports authors said they had no explanation for the difference beyond a possibility that the prayers made people anxious about their ability to recover.

"Did the patients think, ’I am so sick that they had to call in the prayer team?"’ said Dr Bethea.

Landos Mustache · Jul 19, 2006, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

I think that emotional well-being in an individual can affect his physical well-being.

BTW, I also find this article interesting...

Prayer does not heal the sick, study finds

Actually I started a thread about that study a while ago.

I think emotional well-being is very important also but it can't cure things on its own.

aberdeenwriter · Jul 19, 2006, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

Adam Dreamhealer ≠ Galileo

They are obviously two separate people.

But how do you know he doesn't have a gift? Because you just don't believe such things are possible?

Remember in the film, "Unbreakable," when it was said that characters in "comic books are often attributed special powers. X-ray vision, things of that sort. It's an exaggeration of the
truth. Maybe it's based on something as simple as instinct. Like being able to touch someone and tell whether they've done something wrong... Or the level of what they've done wrong."

I think the stereotypical charlatan, mystic healing fraud may be based on people who really do have a gift but because there is so much more publicity given to the frauds you just conclude that ANYONE who is said to have this talent MUST be a fraud.

But in reality the frauds are just masquerading as the real thing.

Eug Wanker · Jul 19, 2006, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by aberdeenwriter

They are obviously two separate people.

But how do you know he doesn't have a gift? Because you just don't believe such things are possible?

Remember in the film, "Unbreakable," when it was said that characters in "comic books are often attributed special powers. X-ray vision, things of that sort. It's an exaggeration of the
truth. Maybe it's based on something as simple as instinct. Like being able to touch someone and tell whether they've done something wrong... Or the level of what they've done wrong."

I think the stereotypical charlatan, mystic healing fraud may be based on people who really do have a gift but because there is so much more publicity given to the frauds you just conclude that ANYONE who is said to have this talent MUST be a fraud.

But in reality the frauds are just masquerading as the real thing.

comic book super heroes are just the oral tradition thatexaggerations of people

I'm glad you used this example, cuz comic book super heroes are fiction.

Anyways, it's clear he has a gift. A gift to empty people's pockets. Around here we call them con artists.

BTW, once I was at a demonstration of (different) "healer". There was a man standing next to me:

Man: Do you feel his power?
Eug: No, I do not.
Man: You don't believe, do you?
Eug: No, I don't.
Man: Well, if you don't believe, you're not gonna feel his power.
Eug: Well, if I felt his power, then I'd believe.

aberdeenwriter · Jul 19, 2006, 01:33 PM

Have any of the doubters here actually read Adam's website info?

Or are you just assuming you know what he is saying he does and doesn't do or claim to do?

aberdeenwriter · Jul 19, 2006, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

I'm glad you used this example, cuz comic book super heroes are fiction.

Anyways, it's clear he has a gift. A gift to empty people's pockets. Around here we call them con artists.

Of course they are fictional. But if I were going to make a comic about the random person who posts on the internet forums like this one and chose someone who actually existed I would exaggerate their qualities.

I'd make them appear to be totally ignorant and closed minded and pompously, proudly so. And when the time came that they were proven wrong I would have a twerpy geek come along and piss on their leg or something.

In that way an obviously fictional character might be based on a real person.

Eug Wanker · Jul 19, 2006, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by aberdeenwriter

Have any of the doubters here actually read Adam's website info?

Or are you just assuming you know what he is saying he does and doesn't do or claim to do?

Yes, I've read parts of his website. He's got the classic con artist website. Well, maybe "con artist" is too harsh a word. It's also possible he actually is a quack and believes this stuff. Either way, his website is pretty much par for the course:

Adam uses energy healing in a unique way to merge the auras of all participants with healing intentions. Then he uses holographic views to energetically affect through intention those present. His full-day workshop contains two group treatments. Adam’s workshops are participatory as through the use of visualizations he empowers individuals to use their own healing abilities. He will share his insights on this topic and share his own healing abilities with all attending. Adam guides your own healing abilities in the right direction and gives you some basic tools for improving and maintaining your health. He shows us how to take more effective control of our immune system and healing abilities through intention. The workshop treatments involves Adam’s healing intentions, your intentions and the intentions of all those around you.

Adam brings a diverse yet youthful perspective to health and well-being. Endorsements of Adam’s work in healing have been received from many people including Astronaut Edgar Mitchell, rock star Ronnie Hawkins and Qigong Grandmaster Dr. Effie Chow. Dr. Mitchell has been Adam’s science mentor since their meeting four years ago, as Adam sees the healing that he does being explained within the realm of quantum physics and quantum holograms. Ronnie Hawkins provides an interesting account of Adam helping him to heal from terminal pancreatic cancer, as told in the book, “DreamHealer”. In 2002, Adam had the honor of being presented with the “Young Visionary Award” at the World Qigong Congress. His website is full of testimonials from hundreds of people from all walks of life. His message is simple, yet his journey is one which ultimately affects us all.

Originally Posted by aberdeenwriter

In that way an obviously fictional character might be based on a real person.

Your arguments make no sense. You could very easily create a fictional character that had real powers, based on a real person with no real powers but who claimed that he did. So what?

P.S. I find it amusing that he usees the World Qigong Congress as evidence. Many of the Qigong types are notorious in Asia are notorious for bilking people out of their money.

aberdeenwriter · Jul 19, 2006, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

I'm glad you used this example, cuz comic book super heroes are fiction.

Anyways, it's clear he has a gift. A gift to empty people's pockets. Around here we call them con artists.

BTW, once I was at a demonstration of (different) "healer". There was a man standing next to me:

Man: Do you feel his power?
Eug: No, I do not.
Man: You don't believe, do you?
Eug: No, I don't.
Man: Well, if you don't believe, you're not gonna feel his power.
Eug: Well, if I felt his power, then I'd believe.

I give up.

Landos Mustache · Jul 19, 2006, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by aberdeenwriter

Remember in the film, "Unbreakable," when it was said that characters in "comic books are often attributed special powers. X-ray vision, things of that sort. It's an exaggeration of the
truth.

Lets keep crappy movies out of this.

Eug Wanker · Jul 19, 2006, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

I'm glad you used this example, cuz comic book super heroes are fiction.

Anyways, it's clear he has a gift. A gift to empty people's pockets. Around here we call them con artists.

BTW, once I was at a demonstration of (different) "healer". There was a man standing next to me:

Man: Do you feel his power?
Eug: No, I do not.
Man: You don't believe, do you?
Eug: No, I don't.
Man: Well, if you don't believe, you're not gonna feel his power.
Eug: Well, if I felt his power, then I'd believe.

Originally Posted by aberdeenwriter

I give up.

Were you the man standing beside me?

Anyways, it's unfortunate that the con artists and quacks of this world are much more persistent than you are.