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FulcrumPilot · Jul 7, 2005, 05:14 PM

Well if they havent called you by now you are not!

http://news.com.com/2102-1022_3-5770...=st.util.print

But if they suck up all the geewhiz geniuses for writing their "amazing" code why do they get kicked in their collective asses by smaller outfits, I wonder...

PS: yah, that /. post got me thinking about this.

ManOfSteal · Jul 7, 2005, 05:32 PM

Noe, I'me nawt.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Jul 7, 2005, 05:36 PM

I saw that, what a bunch of dorks.

I have been to interviews where they want to test me at the end at things like photoshop and whatnot. I always say no because I find it insulting. I mean they see I did the website for Mac cosmetics, GE canada and Fex Ex yet they still wonder if I know how to make an animated gif??

Zimphire · Jul 7, 2005, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

I have been to interviews where they want to test me at the end at things like photoshop and whatnot. I always say no because I find it insulting. I mean they see I did the website for Mac cosmetics, GE canada and Fex Ex yet they still wonder if I know how to make an animated gif??

They want to see not just WHAT you can do, but HOW FAST you can do it.

You shouldn't be insulted for someone to ask you to perform what you say you can.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Jul 7, 2005, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by Zimphire

They want to see not just WHAT you can do, but HOW FAST you can do it.

You shouldn't be insulted for someone to ask you to perform what you say you can.

One test ask me to make an animated gif from home in a week. That's one hell of a speed test.
The other ask me to create a new layer in Photoshop.

Insulting and stupid.

Zimphire · Jul 7, 2005, 05:47 PM

Well I am sure if you acted indignant about it they would have surely gave you the job.

E's Lil Theorem · Jul 7, 2005, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

...

I have been to interviews where they want to test me at the end at things like photoshop and whatnot. I always say no because I find it insulting. I mean they see I did the website for Mac cosmetics, GE canada and Fex Ex yet they still wonder if I know how to make an animated gif??

While I see your point, what Microsoft (and many other tech companies out there) does is very different. The "pop quizzes" generally are brain teasers and not debugging some code or a function writing exercise.

When fresh out of school, I interviewed for a few tech companies and some had these types of brain teasers at the end of the interviews. I got most of them within the allotted time, but I remember thinking it was a pretty dumb interview tactic. If you want to know how smart I am, ask me some intelligent questions. If you want to know how I do under pressure, you'll have to take my word for it or ask my references as watching me struggle to answer your silly little brain teaser will hardly give a sense of how I look when I do homework, much less how I handle pressure.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Jul 7, 2005, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by Zimphire

Well I am sure if you acted indignant about it they would have surely gave you the job.

Guess what, BOTH they did even when I said no to the test. I didn't take the job though.

Zimphire · Jul 7, 2005, 05:55 PM

But did you act indignant?

Yes I am sure refusing to take a test they request of you really got you brownie points.

Wiskedjak · Jul 7, 2005, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

Guess what, BOTH they did even when I said no to the test. I didn't take the job though.

Were you interviewing with HR, Recruiting or the hiring manager?

To the linked article, Gretchen Ledgard is among my favorite people at MS. She's very helpful, even to people in streams of the MS recruiting process other than technical.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Jul 7, 2005, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak

Were you interviewing with HR, Recruiting or the hiring manager?

I think it was the project managers and the CEO.

Zimphire · Jul 7, 2005, 06:52 PM

Was it even MS?

E's Lil Theorem · Jul 7, 2005, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by Zimphire

Was it even MS?

I doubt Ballmer has time to interview a Graphics person

Zimphire · Jul 7, 2005, 07:03 PM

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Jul 7, 2005, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by Zimphire

Was it even MS?

Where did I say that?

Zimphire · Jul 7, 2005, 09:15 PM

Where did I say you said that?

ManOfSteal · Jul 7, 2005, 09:18 PM

Who's on 1st?

Zimphire · Jul 7, 2005, 09:20 PM

Exactly

GSixZero · Jul 7, 2005, 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by ManOfSteal

Who's on 1st?

Rickey? Oh wait, now he's on second.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Jul 7, 2005, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by Zimphire

Was it even MS?

ManOfSteal · Jul 7, 2005, 09:36 PM

Originally Posted by GSixZero

Rickey? Oh wait, now he's on second.

Zimphire · Jul 7, 2005, 09:37 PM