[Jaey]

...and being suicidal?
Seriously. One day they're all happy, and the next they're ranting about how much their life sucks and how much everyone hates them and no one understands. You just want to say "Why don't you go slit your wrists or something?", but you don't because they might.

[OwlBoy]

Estrogen?

-Owl

[Buckaroo]

Please do not encourage them. I'm not sure how to describe it. Self esteeme (spelling?) may have something to do with it.

I have two daughters and it was something that I was concerned about, but fortunately, those days are behind us.

[Albert Pujols]

Originally posted by Buckaroo:
Self esteeme (spelling?)

SELF-ESTEEM.

[Cipher13]

Originally posted by Albert Pujols:


SELF-ESTEEM.

95% of "suicidal" teenage girls are just attention whores.

Take it from a 20 year old.

[demograph68]

Aren't guys more likely to commit suicide though?

[Captain Obvious]

Originally posted by Cipher13:
95% of "suicidal" teenage girls are just attention whores.

And the other 5% won't be around much longer so they aren't really a problem for you.

[Cohiba]

Originally posted by demograph68:
Aren't guys more likely to commit suicide though?

No, women are much more likely to commit suicide, but men have a much higher chance of actually succeeding. The reason is because women will try to kill themselves in �nice� ways, like overdosing on pills, or slitting their wrists, which then they can call for help and have their lives saved.

Men, however, do it the more power way. Either shotgun to the head, hanging oneself, or by jumping from large heights, all ways that you are, unable, to rethink your decision.

More successful suicides are done my men, as most suicides by women fail, mostly by first doing the act (swallow many pills, etc) and then asking for help.

The most common reason why men commit suicide is because they actually want to die. Women use it more for the purpose of getting attention. And although shooting yourself with a shotgun will gather attention, it will be hard for people to be sympathetic to your needs afterwards.

So, suicidal men just wanna die, suicidal women just wanna attention. There are extenuating circumstances, but that is what it is the vast majority of times.

[spiky_dog]

have you guys watched "the virgin suicides"? i thought it was v good, great soundtrack too

[demograph68]

Originally posted by Cohiba:
No, women are much more likely to commit suicide, but men have a much higher chance of actually succeeding. The reason is because women will try to kill themselves in �nice� ways, like overdosing on pills, or slitting their wrists, which then they can call for help and have their lives saved.

Men, however, do it the more power way. Either shotgun to the head, hanging oneself, or by jumping from large heights, all ways that you are, unable, to rethink your decision.

More successful suicides are done my men, as most suicides by women fail, mostly by first doing the act (swallow many pills, etc) and then asking for help.

The most common reason why men commit suicide is because they actually want to die. Women use it more for the purpose of getting attention. And although shooting yourself with a shotgun will gather attention, it will be hard for people to be sympathetic to your needs afterwards.

So, suicidal men just wanna die, suicidal women just wanna attention. There are extenuating circumstances, but that is what it is the vast majority of times.

Your point makes sense to me. Hanging doesn't seem as violent as leaping from a building though. Another option is breathing carbon monoxide. What would be the most successful way to snuff it? Maybe hanging? I wonder how quick it works.

[SSharon]

hanging will kill you instantly because the rope snaps your neck and that severs the connection between your brain and spine, so there is no suffocating involved that just means you did it wrong.

Also, I know just as many men as women that have successfully killed themselves.

And also, of the three attempted suicide calls I have been on (ambulance) 2 were for men and one was for a female. Both of the men came closer to killing themselves (drug OD and slit wrists) while the woman (drug OD also) wasn't in such bad shape (physically, not mentally of course).

[wataru]

Originally posted by Cohiba:
No, women are much more likely to commit suicide, but men have a much higher chance of actually succeeding.

Uh, then women are not more likely to commit suicide; they are more likely to attempt suicide.

[Twilly Spree]

Young men are actually more likely to go through with it than teenage girls. Something breaks them down so bad.

[Eriamjh]

Originally posted by Twilly Spree:
Young men are actually more likely to go through with it than teenage girls. Something breaks them down so bad.

It's dealing with those damn teenage girls!

[Lee33]

Originally posted by Jaey:
...and being suicidal?
Seriously. One day they're all happy, and the next they're ranting about how much their life sucks and how much everyone hates them and no one understands. You just want to say "Why don't you go slit your wrists or something?", but you don't because they might.

LOL. . .Another reason to be thankful I am no longer a teenager.

[Twilly Spree]

Originally posted by Eriamjh:
It's dealing with those damn teenage girls!

Agreed

[MilkmanDan]

Originally posted by demograph68:
Aren't guys more likely to commit suicide though?

Women just attempt it more often, we men actually finish the job more often.

I think the problem with being a teen in the US is the large clash of value choices. Everywhere you look someone is trying to impress a different set of values on you and your friends. Being a teen isn't always the craziness that it is in the US. Each society has its own troubles and problems with teens. the US just gets a lot of problems because of its diversity.

Short simple answer: Blame the media.

[Millennium]

If I recall correctly, three times as many women as men attempt suicide, but three times as many men as women actually succeed at it. This means that the suicide success rate for women isn't just one-third that of men, it's one-ninth.

Others have mentioned why; it's all about the preferred methods used by the different genders. Men tend to use stuff that's quick and has little to no chance of survival even if someone interrupts. Women tend to prefer, dare I put it this way, more "romantic" methods, which themselves tend to be much slower and allow a person to change their mind.

[Millennium]

Teenage angst is so common that... well... we call it "teenage angst". Some of this is related to all the hormonal changes that come about during adolescence, but frankly I have to wonder if there's a strong psychological component to it: these people aren't children anymore (and tend to make quite a point of that) but are starting to realize that this fact isn't as good as it might have first seemed.

[bstone]

Originally posted by SSharon:
hanging will kill you instantly because the rope snaps your neck and that severs the connection between your brain and spine, so there is no suffocating involved that just means you did it wrong.

Also, I know just as many men as women that have successfully killed themselves.

And also, of the three attempted suicide calls I have been on (ambulance) 2 were for men and one was for a female. Both of the men came closer to killing themselves (drug OD and slit wrists) while the woman (drug OD also) wasn't in such bad shape (physically, not mentally of course).

Only three? Geez, Pulse ain't running you hard enough. On my ambulance service, I have been to more suicide calls than I can remember. Most of them are for males who have some pre-exisiting psychiatric problem and they threaten to kill themselves.

The women, however, usually go a step further- slitting their wrists, pills, etc. When we got em in the back of the ambulance and stabilized, they usually say something like, "I didn't want to kill myself, but things are just so bad." To which I nod, be sympathetic and then afterwards wonder why they didn't just call a crisis hotline and save everyone a ton of time, money and effort.

p.s. ssharon and I are EMTs

[Xeo]

Originally posted by Cohiba:
No, women are much more likely to commit suicide, but men have a much higher chance of actually succeeding. The reason is because women will try to kill themselves in �nice� ways, like overdosing on pills, or slitting their wrists, which then they can call for help and have their lives saved.

My sister did that once way back in high school. She took pills and called a friend to tell her that she didn't know how many she had taken. The friend promptly came right over, told my mom, and we all went to the hospital.

I doubt she was in any real danger (but who knows, I never did find out how many pills or what kind of pills they were), but it's exactly as you described.

And recently there was a teenage girl who "hung" herself at my old high school. She did so in the morning in the bathroom and did not succeed. Her sister found her before it was too late.

And I know of one guy, maybe two, that committed suicide from my high school, and both were with guns. Quick and simple.

I wonder how much girls and guys would be different if society raised them the same.

[moonmonkey]

Originally posted by demograph68:
Your point makes sense to me. Hanging doesn't seem as violent as leaping from a building though. Another option is breathing carbon monoxide. What would be the most successful way to snuff it? Maybe hanging? I wonder how quick it works.

Insulin overdose is the most painless way to top yourself.
It just reduces your blood sugar until you drift off to heaven.

Totally painless.

[demograph68]

Originally posted by moonmonkey:
Insulin overdose is the most painless way to top yourself.
It just reduces your blood sugar until you drift off to heaven.

Totally painless.

cool

[siMac]

Originally posted by Buckaroo:
Self esteeme (spelling?)

Yeah, because putting '(spelling?)' after a tricky (or not) word makes it ok to get it wrong.

Seriously, you're on the internet anyway, use it. You never know, you might learn something.

Failing that, the latest version of this wonderful OS we call X has a built-in system-wide spellchecker, try that.

[voodoo]

Originally posted by siMac:
Yeah, because putting '(spelling?)' after a tricky (or not) word makes it ok to get it wrong.

Seriously, you're on the internet anyway, use it. You never know, you might learn something.

Failing that, the latest version of this wonderful OS we call X has a built-in system-wide spellchecker, try that.

ooooooh

[mdc]

Originally posted by Cohiba:
No, women are much more likely to commit suicide, but men have a much higher chance of actually succeeding. The reason is because women will try to kill themselves in �nice� ways, like overdosing on pills, or slitting their wrists, which then they can call for help and have their lives saved.

Men, however, do it the more power way. Either shotgun to the head, hanging oneself, or by jumping from large heights, all ways that you are, unable, to rethink your decision.

More successful suicides are done my men, as most suicides by women fail, mostly by first doing the act (swallow many pills, etc) and then asking for help.

The most common reason why men commit suicide is because they actually want to die. Women use it more for the purpose of getting attention. And although shooting yourself with a shotgun will gather attention, it will be hard for people to be sympathetic to your needs afterwards.

So, suicidal men just wanna die, suicidal women just wanna attention. There are extenuating circumstances, but that is what it is the vast majority of times.

pretty much a text book answer.

[AB^2=BCxAC]

Originally posted by siMac:
Yeah, because putting '(spelling?)' after a tricky (or not) word makes it ok to get it wrong.

Seriously, you're on the internet anyway, use it. You never know, you might learn something.

Failing that, the latest version of this wonderful OS we call X has a built-in system-wide spellchecker, try that.

Hey, guess what? After me, who comes across as the bigger a**hole (sp?) of the three of us?

[AB^2=BCxAC]

People who are attempting suicide don't "wanna" get positive attention - they need it. Men who shoot themselves to die also need positive attention and support, but are even worse off because social circumstances prevent many men from feeling they can't express their need for help for fear of being labelled "weak", even after a suicide attempt.

Someone who attempts suicide is screwed up, and the tragedy is that no one noticed or could do anything about it in time. Everytime you blame someone for not being "personally responsible" enough and think their taking the easy way out of thngs, remember that there was a hell of a lot of antipathy that put that person there in the first place and that it's by some special grace you haven't had as much trouble or were taught how to cope.

[AB^2=BCxAC]

Grrr. /End rant

[siMac]

Hey, I'm just sick of seeing bad speeling everywhere (non-native english speakers excepted) when these days you don't even need to know how to spell that well, the computer does the hard work for you.

[siMac]

And it's easy to increase your post count...

[siMac]

...if you make three posts every time instead of one.

End rant.

[AB^2=BCxAC]

Hmm. My 720 posts over 20 months versus your 216 posts over 3 months. Based on averages, I'd say you're the one cruising for a higher post count. But I don't mind the post-whore accusation - we can't all be classy like you.

[Stradlater]

Originally posted by demograph68:
Aren't guys more likely to commit suicide though?

No, they're just better at getting the job done.

[wolfen]

Originally posted by demograph68:
Aren't guys more likely to commit suicide though?

When I was in a university Psych. program we were told the highest incidence of suicide in the US was among men in their 50's. The interesting thing here is that women test positive for suicide by much higher margins. Therefore, men are less likely to test as suicidal and more likely to actually commit suicide. The most likely implication here (we were told) is that the cultural bias against American men acknowledging their feelings made them least capable of dealing with them in an effective manner. So they were either blind to their true psychological state or were unwilling to admit it to themselves/others. There's all kinds of research pointing to this, and it makes for very interesting discussions regarding why people do what they do vs. why they think they do what they do.

[wdlove]

It is just a part of growing up. The teenage girls are like the ones of past generations.

[ManOfSteal]

Originally posted by wdlove:
The teenage girls are like the ones of past generations.

[AB^2=BCxAC]

Originally posted by wdlove:
It is just a part of growing up. The teenage girls are like the ones of past generations.

[brapper]

tell them they're pretty, pat them on the ass, and send them on their way.

[LeftWingLock]

Originally posted by demograph68:
cool

Begin rant.

Why exactly is learning a painless way of suicide cool? Do you think that it going to ease the pain of those you leave behind?

"I'm sorry your son was selfish enough to think only of himself and take the easy way out. But if it makes you feel better, his insulin overdose was painless."

B.S.

My brother in law hung himself six years ago. Only he screwed up and instead of a quick and painless broken neck he slowly suffocated over the course of a 1/2 hour or so. Do think that it would make my wife and her parents any happier to know that he died painlessly? No!!! Either way he is dead and he left behind his family to wonder what they could have done diferently. Suicide has got to be about the most selfish thing a person can do.

End rant.

[Oisín]

Originally posted by siMac:
Hey, I'm just sick of seeing bad speeling everywhere (non-native english speakers excepted) when these days you don't even need to know how to spell that well, the computer does the hard work for you.

I like the fact that you made no less than two typos there yourself

[siMac]

Originally posted by Ois�n:
I like the fact that you made no less than two typos there yourself

Care to point 'em out?

One word was deliberately misspelt for irony, I can't see what the other one is.

Originally posted by AB^2=BCxAC:
Hmm. My 720 posts over 20 months versus your 216 posts over 3 months. Based on averages, I'd say you're the one cruising for a higher post count.

Heh heh, actually I've been unemployed for nearly three months; but you're right, I seem to be spending too much time on these forums and not enough looking for a job!



Just to clear things up, my 'beef', as it were, isn't necessarily with spelling errors, it's when someone knows they don't know how to spell something and rather than take five seconds to look up the word, thereby increasing their vocabulary, they spend five seconds typing '(spelling?)' - what's the point in that? You're just highlighting your ignorance.

Had he not drawn attention to his spelling I never would have either.

[AB^2=BCxAC]

One word was deliberately misspelt for irony, I can't see what the other one is.

Misspelled is proper English.

Had he not drawn attention to his spelling I never would have either.

Fair enough. Truce.

[Oisín]

Originally posted by siMac:
Care to point 'em out?

One word was deliberately misspelt for irony, I can't see what the other one is.

As a proper noun, "English" has to be written with a capital E in english

(That one was, of course, on purpose too)

[siMac]

Originally posted by Ois�n:
As a proper noun, "English" has to be written with a capital E in english

Ois�n, you are technically correct - the best kind of correct. At least I got the right letters in the right order though, eh?

AB^2=BCxAC, truce ('misspelt' is also acceptable ).

[Oisín]

Originally posted by siMac:
Ois�n, you are technically correct - the best kind of correct.

Now I'm curious... what exactly is the best kind of correct, as opposed to a standard kind of correct, or even the worst kind of correct?

[the_glassman]

[cold_reality]

Originally posted by Jaey:
...and being suicidal?
Seriously. One day they're all happy, and the next they're ranting about how much their life sucks and how much everyone hates them and no one understands. You just want to say "Why don't you go slit your wrists or something?", but you don't because they might.

One word..."hormones"

the ones I hang out with take gym classes and talk about "I don't wanna go to class but if I do at least I won't feel fat for a while"


Girls are ****ed up man.

[siMac]

Originally posted by Ois�n:
Now I'm curious... what exactly is the best kind of correct, as opposed to a standard kind of correct, or even the worst kind of correct?

See Futurama, Season 2, Episode 11: 'How Hermes Requisitioned His Groove Back'.

It's a joke, let it go.

[Solomon Grundy]

Teenage girls are hawt...