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mac15 · Jun 13, 2004, 03:52 AM

Just when you thought it was dead... I'm gonna resrect this classic wonder for OS X. It stopped at 10.1 and there has been a small group wanting it back. Well fear no more, I'm half way done. I started a few hours ago and I'm 60% done.

I'm not going to make it spiffier, it will be the original just pantherized. Expect it in the coming days if I can get a hold of the original creator that is.

quandarry · Jun 13, 2004, 04:06 AM

Originally posted by mac15:
Just when you thought it was dead... I'm gonna resrect this classic wonder for OS X. It stopped at 10.1 and there has been a small group wanting it back. Well fear no more, I'm half way done. I started a few hours ago and I'm 60% done.

I'm not going to make it spiffier, it will be the original just pantherized. Expect it in the coming days if I can get a hold of the original creator that is.

it's been done...

the original author is known as zimphire on the boards here.

i dunno if anyone has ever asked him tho but there have been one or two unauthorized updates pop up.

i guess it won't hurt to ask him tho...

mac15 · Jun 13, 2004, 04:15 AM

No way?! I'd just gone ahead with it seeing as though I coulnd't find it avaliable for download

iNeusch · Jun 13, 2004, 06:18 AM

Originally posted by mac15:
No way?! I'd just gone ahead with it seeing as though I coulnd't find it avaliable for download

Same here... I think a good "legal" updated release is still a good idea

Kujo · Jun 13, 2004, 07:02 AM

this theme along with iridium doesn't deserve to be dead

this is great news i hope you get it out. whats the finder going to look like?

mac15 · Jun 13, 2004, 08:56 AM

Originally posted by Kujo:
this is great news i hope you get it out. whats the finder going to look like?

I don't know yet, I've left them for last. I spent about 2 hours on it today and all but the segment tabs/buttons are done. If I'm feeling generous I'll throw in an ichat/safari skin. Anybody have any ideas as to how Metal windows should look or perhaps a screen of theme running in 10.1 with a metal window?

Frisbee · Jun 13, 2004, 09:21 AM

If I remember correctly, metal windows were all hard coded in 10.1, so themers could not change them. I say just make the metal windows look exactly like the aqua windows, except make the titlebar 1 pixel taller so that the widgets don't look off-center.

swiz · Jun 13, 2004, 10:21 AM

I can pretty much assure you that you will not get permission from Zim to release it. He's probably planning to do so himself.

Ozzpot · Jun 13, 2004, 10:59 AM

Originally posted by swiz:
I can pretty much assure you that you will not get permission from Zim to release it. He's probably planning to do so himself.

I don't think he has time, what with posting on MacNN 27 times a day like he does. He is officially clinically insane, remember?

ambush · Jun 13, 2004, 11:25 AM

He's too busy zealoting around here.

NetworkShadow · Jun 13, 2004, 12:02 PM

I hope you didn't waist a lot of time on it if you don't get permission to release it.

Frisbee · Jun 13, 2004, 12:07 PM

Even if you don't get permission to release it, email it to me, please.

sixz · Jun 13, 2004, 01:39 PM

Makki · Jun 13, 2004, 02:03 PM

I have been wondering and hopeing Sosumi would be updated to Panther. That is a really cool theme.

Permissions pls pls

fireside · Jun 13, 2004, 02:59 PM

Mac15 port rhodium edge. NOW.
NOW.
NOW.
NOW.

all colors too.

Frisbee · Jun 13, 2004, 03:55 PM

I tried porting the rhodium edge port that came out for 10.2, and it was pretty hard. The x-+ widgets would have to be changed significantly, as the ones in the 10.2 version really need the bigger size of jaguar. If the titlebar were to be significantly redesigned, it would be very doable.

fireside · Jun 13, 2004, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by Frisbee:
I tried porting the rhodium edge port that came out for 10.2, and it was pretty hard. The x-+ widgets would have to be changed significantly, as the ones in the 10.2 version really need the bigger size of jaguar. If the titlebar were to be significantly redesigned, it would be very doable.

the titlebar is fine. if Latium looks fine, Rhodium Edge will look fine.

NetworkShadow · Jun 13, 2004, 05:11 PM

Originally posted by Frisbee:
Even if you don't get permission to release it, email it to me, please.

lol make an email list of everyone in this topic.

Makki · Jun 13, 2004, 05:16 PM

you see that little link at the top of my post here? It says EMail hehe hint hint lmao

Frisbee · Jun 13, 2004, 05:39 PM

Latium's x-+ is a helluva lot smaller than rhodium's.

fireside · Jun 13, 2004, 06:01 PM

Originally posted by Frisbee:
Latium's x-+ is a helluva lot smaller than rhodium's.

you'd be surprised how big the widgets can be in panther.

ps: original (i think there are about 10 MILLION GAJILLION rhodium's for windows) Rhodium theme by Tiger2k: http://www.crescent-pc.com/eyecandyXP/Tiger2k/

Kujo · Jun 13, 2004, 07:02 PM

how about just an update of the port dazzla did?

NetworkShadow · Jun 13, 2004, 09:23 PM

Originally posted by fireside:
you'd be surprised how big the widgets can be in panther.

ps: original (i think there are about 10 MILLION GAJILLION rhodium's for windows) Rhodium theme by Tiger2k: http://www.crescent-pc.com/eyecandyXP/Tiger2k/

I liked that old 10.1 port of Rhodium, it was really cool.

mac15 · Jun 14, 2004, 04:21 AM

Only took a few hours work, its pretty much done. The mailing list.... sounds good

digitaljames · Jun 14, 2004, 06:27 AM

Add me Chris....you got my addy..

Makki · 04:59 PM

YAY looks awesome i like Sosumi hehe

FB Eye · Jun 14, 2004, 09:09 AM

I've been wanting Sosumi so bad for so long!!!

Add me to your mailing list asap:

fb_eye at spymac.com

Thank you, thank you, thank you

eyevaan · Jun 14, 2004, 09:35 AM

This was an old fav going back to OS 8.5
please email to me:

eyevaan at mac.com

Zimphire · Jun 14, 2004, 09:38 AM

Originally posted by mac15:
Just when you thought it was dead... I'm gonna resrect this classic wonder for OS X. It stopped at 10.1 and there has been a small group wanting it back. Well fear no more, I'm half way done. I started a few hours ago and I'm 60% done.

I'm not going to make it spiffier, it will be the original just pantherized. Expect it in the coming days if I can get a hold of the original creator that is.

Actually I have been messing around with Shapeshifter lately.

I might be doing a port myself.

But thanks anyhow.

Zimphire · Jun 14, 2004, 09:40 AM

Originally posted by mac15:
Only took a few hours work, its pretty much done. The mailing list.... sounds good

Wow, and you guys wonder why people stop themeing.

Respect people.. it's not your work.

You never asked, I never gave permission.

Don't be a jerk.

Zimphire · Jun 14, 2004, 09:41 AM

Originally posted by swiz:
I can pretty much assure you that you will not get permission from Zim to release it. He's probably planning to do so himself.

eyevaan · Jun 14, 2004, 09:56 AM

Zimphire,

Fair enough, I did not read deep enough into the replies. Keep us up to date on your progress.

It is still a fav in Classic.

Zimphire · Jun 14, 2004, 10:06 AM

I've been messing with a iTunes theme as well.

They just need to stop updating it.

Frisbee · Jun 14, 2004, 05:05 PM

Zim... according to you on some Sosumi thread I started a few months ago, it's technically not your work, either. Something about you ripping vast amounts of the graphics directly from the Mac OS X public beta...?

You say you might release it...If your actually planning on re-releasing it, then do it. If you aren't, pass it on to Chris. Sorry to sound harsh, but there's plenty of demand for this theme and if you aren't doing it yourself, then putting it up for adoption so to speak is the best solution.

Edit: Chris... you kind of made a wee-bitty mistake. The lighting on the tabs is coming from both sides... the right side should be shaded like the button.

mac15 · Jun 14, 2004, 06:47 PM

Zimphire to be honest I had no idea it was your theme when I started this , is almost been a popular theme and it seemed doomed. The theme is complete and it took me 2 days, you've had it on the back burner for 6 months. Can't you give permission and give people what they want.

I'd seen a version on resex by Kevin Knopp... is this you?

quandarry · Jun 14, 2004, 07:10 PM

zimpy has no plans release an update...he just does this as a power trip.

just email it to peeps who want it...

or pm me and send it to me and i'll host it for download to peeps in this thread.

mac15 · Jun 14, 2004, 08:12 PM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Actually I have been messing around with Shapeshifter lately.

Hmm thats weird, I didn't know you could make themes with shapeshifter?

olorin15 · Jun 14, 2004, 08:20 PM

Originally posted by Zimphire:

:

Originally posted by quandarry:
zimpy has no plans release an update...he just does this as a power trip.

Dude, Zimph, really ...

NetworkShadow · Jun 14, 2004, 08:37 PM

Originally posted by quandarry:
zimpy has no plans release an update...he just does this as a power trip.

Sounds true to me, this isn't some half-assed port like we've seen in the past ether... I don't see the harm, and he would get full credit for the original. Also if it's true that most of the graphics are from the first OS X preview releases then no one person really has the rights to it.

mac15 · Jun 14, 2004, 09:16 PM

My thoughts exactly half of the graphics were borrowed if you will, I tried contacting Zimphire but his PM box is full and his Email is hidden so contacting him is impossible. I've tired over AIM for the last few days too with no luck. I may come off like a cocky smartass but I'm not I just want the theme to be out for everyone to use.

fireside · Jun 14, 2004, 09:20 PM

Originally posted by mac15:
off like a cocky smartass..

good, cause thats zimph's job.

Makki · Jun 14, 2004, 09:21 PM

Mac15 i love the theme man. I waited longtime for this hehe.

I added you to my ichat btw.

Screenshot soon

WICKEDfour · Jun 14, 2004, 09:22 PM

Originally posted by NetworkShadow:
...Also if it's true that most of the graphics are from the first OS X preview releases then no one person really has the rights to it.

Well, if we're going to take this little discussion to that point, you might as well say that releasing Sosumi is an infringement on Apple's property, but then again, so are Aqua mods. I agree with NetworkShadow and Chris on this one; since the theme itself wasn't "ours" to begin with, anyone should be "allowed" to "release" it. Unless Zimphire's version is waay cooler in some way (Sorry Chris, have to account for the possibility

), Zimphire shouldn't be able to stop Chris from "releasing" "his" "version".

(Note the excessive usage of "air quotes" - lighten up guys!

)

Frisbee · Jun 15, 2004, 12:12 AM

Did you fix the lighting issue I mentioned? If so, can I have a copy? [email protected]

Zimphire · Jun 15, 2004, 12:27 AM

Originally posted by Frisbee:
Zim... according to you on some Sosumi thread I started a few months ago, it's technically not your work, either. Something about you ripping vast amounts of the graphics directly from the Mac OS X public beta...?

Nope, if someone said that, they are lying. It was all 100% made by me.

You say you might release it...If your actually planning on re-releasing it, then do it. If you aren't, pass it on to Chris. Sorry to sound harsh, but there's plenty of demand for this theme and if you aren't doing it yourself, then putting it up for adoption so to speak is the best solution.

I've been waiting on Shapeshifter 1.5 to see if a few things will work.

Really, if someone wants to make a OS 9 like theme, go do it. Max did. Just don't use my resources.

Zimphire · Jun 15, 2004, 12:27 AM

Originally posted by mac15:
Zimphire to be honest I had no idea it was your theme when I started this , is almost been a popular theme and it seemed doomed. The theme is complete and it took me 2 days, you've had it on the back burner for 6 months. Can't you give permission and give people what they want.

Like I said, I have been waiting.

I'd seen a version on resex by Kevin Knopp... is this you?

Indeed.

Zimphire · 12:34 AM

Originally posted by mac15:
My thoughts exactly half of the graphics were borrowed if you will,

No, none of it was borrowed.

I tried contacting Zimphire but his PM box is full and his Email is hidden so contacting him is impossible. I've tired over AIM for the last few days too with no luck. I may come off like a cocky smartass but I'm not I just want the theme to be out for everyone to use.

I have had my AIM up for weeks. My PM box hasn't been full for a few days.

The theme will be out. Just not at the moment.

You want to make a theme? Go do it man. Make one all on your own.

You can claim it's 100% original.

I know a lot of people that don't get into themeing for this reason. They are sick of people "copying" their work first, then asking second.

You really need to get a hold of the original owners of said themes before making any public issues about it. It's not only the right thing to do, it's respecting those who have taken the time out to do these things from scratch.

Sosumi took me over 5 months to finish (OS X themeing was crude, and not everything was figured out like it is now)

There needs to be more respect going on in the theming community and less "we don't care screw that guy!" type mentality.

Makki · Jun 15, 2004, 12:37 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:

Sosumi took me over 5 months to finish (OS X themeing was crude, and not everything was figured out like it is now)

There needs to be more respect going on in the theming community and less "we don't care screw that guy!" type mentality. [/B]

I have to agree with you on that note. If it was'nt for themers i would be stuck with default look on my desktop cuz i not know how to theme myself.

I just want to make a big SHOUT OUT to all themers and say thnx.

Makki

Zimphire · Jun 15, 2004, 12:39 AM

I seen you've already given it out to people mac15.

http://mac15.ambitiouslemon.com/

"In the the themes section, this ones sure to cause of a bit controversy."

Zimphire · 12:52 AM

I see it over at Macupdate too.

I emailed them and it was removed.

You aren't being very cool about this.

BTW ResExcellence has been forewarned.