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Webscreamer · Feb 22, 2005, 08:11 PM

How can I stop my roommates from stealing my music using the software OurTunes... yet still let them listen over iTunes Sharing?

d4nth3m4n · Feb 22, 2005, 08:44 PM

admit defeat and choose bigger and better battles?

Eriamjh · Feb 22, 2005, 08:47 PM

Rip all your music at 64kbps.

TailsToo · Feb 22, 2005, 08:56 PM

Tell them that you will format their hard drive if you catch them!

Demonhood · Feb 22, 2005, 09:08 PM

1. restrict their access to only one playlist.
2. fill playlist with recording of your latest bowel movement, peacocks mating, and the care bears theme song.
3. ???
4. profit

Sarc · Feb 22, 2005, 09:09 PM

turn iTunes music sharing off ...
or block the port using Mac OS X's built in firewall (ie. ipfw)

Wiskedjak · Feb 22, 2005, 09:15 PM

Realize that, by law, you are allowed to trade music with your friends.

Webscreamer · Feb 22, 2005, 09:27 PM

Originally posted by Wiskedjak:
Realize that, by law, you are allowed to trade music with your friends.

Really? i'd like to see that.

Webscreamer · Feb 22, 2005, 09:28 PM

Originally posted by Sarc:
turn iTunes music sharing off ...
or block the port using Mac OS X's built in firewall (ie. ipfw)

I still want them to be able to play it, just not copy it.

alphamatrix · Feb 22, 2005, 09:54 PM

Originally posted by Webscreamer:
I still want them to be able to play it, just not copy it.

I don't see why its such a big deal? Is this some sort of moral principle thing? There are far worse things to do, its a closed network, not like the RIAAs gonna sue you. I'd share my music and save them from the trouble of ripping it from the iTunes stream.

memory-minus · Feb 22, 2005, 09:56 PM

Originally posted by Webscreamer:
I still want them to be able to play it, just not copy it.

OK... just a thought... you could try... asking them not to copy your music? I'm assuming they are decent people, correct?

Edit: there's no technical way to keep them from copying it -- if they can play it, they can record it. It's just like recording an FM radio broadcast.

KeriVit · Feb 22, 2005, 09:57 PM

just don't share it.

V12 · Feb 22, 2005, 09:58 PM

1. What exactly is ourTUNES

2. Is it legal?

Jaey · Feb 22, 2005, 10:01 PM

Originally posted by Eriamjh:
Rip all your music at 64kbps.

Webscreamer · Feb 22, 2005, 10:05 PM

Well, I just limited them to the last 15 songs I listened to ;-)

But software should be illegal.

I just don't want them to copy it because I worked hard to get that music and don't want them taking it.... No I didn't buy it all, but got it from a friend who does. Plus I wanna have the biggest music collection out of all of them!

The only reason I have sharing on is because my other roommate has a better stereo for parties.

Wiskedjak · Feb 22, 2005, 10:08 PM

Originally posted by Webscreamer:
Really? i'd like to see that.

You have always been allowed to share and copy music with friends, it just wasn't realized that it would one day be possible to share music with a few million "friends". However, there is nothing illegal about sharing and copying music between a handful of friends.

It's fascinating how the RIAA has got so many people scared into giving up their rights.

Wiskedjak · Feb 22, 2005, 10:11 PM

Originally posted by Webscreamer:
But software should be illegal.

Why? There are several legitimate programs that do the same thing.

Webscreamer · Feb 22, 2005, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by Wiskedjak:
You have always been allowed to share and copy music with friends, it just wasn't realized that it would one day be possible to share music with a few million "friends". However, there is nothing illegal about sharing and copying music between a handful of friends.

It's fascinating how the RIAA has got so many people scared into giving up their rights.

I'd still like to see proof of this. If it is true, they must have in mind an exact number you can share it will.

When you say share, do you mean burning or sending them the files.... not just hitting play on your iTunes when friends come over just for a listen.

Webscreamer · Feb 22, 2005, 10:13 PM

Originally posted by Wiskedjak:
Why? There are several legitimate programs that do the same thing.

yet that makes it right?

Isn't that why Apple quickly disabled the feature to share with other internet user soon after iTunes 4.0 release.... just for this reason?

Internet or Intranet.... it's wrong.

Wiskedjak · Feb 22, 2005, 10:21 PM

Originally posted by Webscreamer:
yet that makes it right?

Isn't that why Apple quickly disabled the feature to share with other internet user soon after iTunes 4.0 release.... just for this reason?

Internet or Intranet.... it's wrong.

Ever had a tape recorder that record off the radio? Same thing.

Webscreamer · Feb 22, 2005, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by Wiskedjak:
Ever had a tape recorder that record off the radio? Same thing.

But they are stealing files from me. I think it would be illegal to steal my personal documents from me, don't you?

Wiskedjak · Feb 22, 2005, 10:32 PM

The way I see it, you have limited options:

1. Don't share your music with them.

2. Deal with it

3. Share your music with them and tell them that you will report them to the RIAA if they try to "steal" your "stolen" music

Webscreamer · Feb 22, 2005, 10:33 PM

Amen and Amen!

Wiskedjak · Feb 22, 2005, 10:34 PM

Originally posted by Webscreamer:
But they are stealing files from me. I think it would be illegal to steal my personal documents from me, don't you?

You're still in possession of your files, aren't you?

Kilbey · Feb 22, 2005, 10:34 PM

Originally posted by Webscreamer:
Well, I just limited them to the last 15 songs I listened to ;-)

But software should be illegal.

I just don't want them to copy it because I worked hard to get that music and don't want them taking it.... No I didn't buy it all, but got it from a friend who does. Plus I wanna have the biggest music collection out of all of them!

The only reason I have sharing on is because my other roommate has a better stereo for parties.

You are the epitome of a hypocrite.

Mastrap · Feb 22, 2005, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by Kilbey:
You are the epitome of a hypocrite.

I was thinking the same thing.

jlemons · Feb 22, 2005, 10:41 PM

No I didn't buy it all, but got it from a friend who does. Plus I wanna have the biggest music collection out of all of them!

I read this whole thread thinking the whole time you have a valid argument. Then, you tell the truth and I find that you are just very selfish and a hypocrite. Come on man. You act like it is your duty to stop them when you got your music the same way they are getting it from you.

Sherwin · Feb 22, 2005, 10:42 PM

Originally posted by Wiskedjak:
The way I see it, you have limited options:

1. Don't share your music with them.

2. Deal with it

3. Share your music with them and tell them that you will report them to the RIAA if they try to "steal" your "stolen" music

4. Kill them. Best done only after they've coughed up next year's rent.

(Uncle Sherwie and MacNN accept no responsibility for actions taken as a result of perp not noticing that this post is a joke).

Webscreamer · Feb 22, 2005, 11:22 PM

selfish and a hypocrite I am indeed then.

KeriVit · Feb 22, 2005, 11:50 PM

Originally posted by Webscreamer:
selfish and a hypocrite I am indeed then.

sidenote- why does your sig link to a site that isn't done yet? seems kinda dumb. "Hey! lookatme!" oh no- not really.

demograph68 · Feb 22, 2005, 11:55 PM

Originally posted by Webscreamer:
selfish and a hypocrite I am indeed then.

w00t?

Webscreamer · 02:50 AM

Originally posted by KeriVit:
sidenote- why does your sig link to a site that isn't done yet? seems kinda dumb. "Hey! lookatme!" oh no- not really.

Why the hell not? Ever heard of under construction?

I'm not gonna change a little link on MacNN when my site is down.

As a side note: I'm trying to learn PHP/MySQL and implementing it into this next version. Thanks for your understanding

sugar_coated · Feb 23, 2005, 12:25 AM

Make him pay.

cpt kangarooski · Feb 23, 2005, 12:56 AM

Wiskedjak--

You have always been allowed to share and copy music with friends, it just wasn't realized that it would one day be possible to share music with a few million "friends". However, there is nothing illegal about sharing and copying music between a handful of friends.

That's funny. I seem to recall 17 USC 501 and 106(1),(3) indicating that it was illegal to reproduce and distribute copyrighted sound recordings without permission. So I'm still a little curious as to what you've seen that would contradict that with regards to doing it within a circle of friends. Got a cite?

DeathMan · Feb 23, 2005, 01:26 AM

dude, are you ready for a fix or something? you're acting really weird.

Get over it. That music's not even yours. You worked hard to get that music? By ripping it from your friend?

There was an article posted here quite some time ago (I believe) supposedly by Ben Stein. Look that up and give it a read. It talks about attitudes like yours. And not in a good way.

Kenneth · Feb 23, 2005, 01:34 AM

It's fairly common here. I see at least 5 iTunes libraries sharing on my source list here.

JohnSmithXTREME · Feb 23, 2005, 01:57 AM

Originally posted by Webscreamer:
No I didn't buy it all, but got it from a friend who does.

this deserves an honest to god LOL

greed is good. if you don't want them to have your stolen wares, more power to you.

demograph68 · Feb 23, 2005, 02:07 AM

This reminds me of the one thread about the guy who was pirating every song in existence yet wouldn't share them with his own kids.

Cubeoid · Feb 23, 2005, 02:27 AM

Threaten them with a variety of seafood products.

Webscreamer · Feb 23, 2005, 02:38 AM

Originally posted by DeathMan:
dude, are you ready for a fix or something? you're acting really weird.

Get over it. That music's not even yours. You worked hard to get that music? By ripping it from your friend?

There was an article posted here quite some time ago (I believe) supposedly by Ben Stein. Look that up and give it a read. It talks about attitudes like yours. And not in a good way.

Glad to see you bought all your music

But I bought prob %70 of mine. Yes, I admit, %30 is all ripped from friends.

But I asked my friends and they gave me the CDs. My roommates don't ask. They just start sucking gigs after gigs. And they just turn my iTunes Sharing back on if it's off.

Just bothered me I guess. But I can see all of your guys points of view and i'm being a dick.

Xeo · Feb 23, 2005, 02:41 AM

Originally posted by Webscreamer:
And they just turn my iTunes Sharing back on if it's off.

Well that's just silly. It's called a username and password. You can even have your screensaver password protect your mac automatically.

If they are sitting down at your computer and turning on sharing, you've got bigger problems then the music they are getting. They are also able to get anything else you have...

Stradlater · Feb 23, 2005, 02:50 AM

Password protect it and put your password on your name; ex:

"John's Music (pass: boobies)"

ourTunes will probably eventually allow you to use passwords, though; but this will work until then.

EDIT: just read the rest of the thread. Why the hell do you want to prevent them from downloading music that you don't legally own anyway? If you didn't buy the CDs, it's stealing all the same. If you're stealing, then share the wealth.

JohnSmithXTREME · Feb 23, 2005, 02:53 AM

Originally posted by Webscreamer:
Glad to see you bought all your music But I bought prob %70 of mine. Yes, I admit, %30 is all ripped from friends.

ya right! I bet it's more like 80% came from your friends.

Out of curiousity, how many songs do you have? How many GB is your library?

Webscreamer · Feb 23, 2005, 02:56 AM

Originally posted by JohnSmithXTREME:
ya right! I bet it's more like 80% came from your friends.

Out of curiousity, how many songs do you have? How many GB is your library?

36 gigs

Webscreamer · Feb 23, 2005, 03:02 AM

Originally posted by Stradlater:
EDIT: just read the rest of the thread. Why the hell do you want to prevent them from downloading music that you don't legally own anyway? If you didn't buy the CDs, it's stealing all the same. If you're stealing, then share the wealth.

Well, I have a lot of rare stuff that I like to keep because it's "special" to me. For example: Bo Kaspers Orchestra. I got it on my vacation to Sweden. No they all have it

Stradlater · Feb 23, 2005, 03:10 AM

Originally posted by Webscreamer:
Well, I have a lot of rare stuff that I like to keep because it's "special" to me. For example: Bo Kaspers Orchestra. I got it on my vacation to Sweden. No they all have it

I'm sorry, but to me that sounds immensely selfish on top of slightly hypocritical.

Webscreamer · Feb 23, 2005, 03:16 AM

Originally posted by Stradlater:
I'm sorry, but to me that sounds immensely selfish on top of slightly hypocritical.

I guess you don't have any music like that or just don't understand. Why should I feel I have to give every album to them? Especially when it's close to me?

The point is, they can have the stuff I rip from my friends, I don't care. They normally don't like it anyway. It's the stuff that has meaning to me that bothers me, thus wanted to stop sharing it.

demograph68 · Feb 23, 2005, 03:33 AM

Originally posted by Webscreamer:
Well, I have a lot of rare stuff that I like to keep because it's "special" to me. For example: Bo Kaspers Orchestra. I got it on my vacation to Sweden. No they all have it

More the reason to share it.

Stradlater · Feb 23, 2005, 03:35 AM

Originally posted by Webscreamer:
I guess you don't have any music like that or just don't understand. Why should I feel I have to give every album to them? Especially when it's close to me?

The point is, they can have the stuff I rip from my friends, I don't care. They normally don't like it anyway. It's the stuff that has meaning to me that bothers me, thus wanted to stop sharing it.

But you're fine with them streaming it? It's not like you're losing the file; they're just getting copies.

Just limit your shared playlist to your stolen files and sit there with your special ones.

Webscreamer · Feb 23, 2005, 03:36 AM

Originally posted by Stradlater:
But you're fine with them streaming it? It's not like you're losing the file; they're just getting copies.

Just limit your shared playlist to your stolen files and sit there with your special ones.

Exactly what I did

I forgot about the limiting to playlists feature. That's all I needed wanted to know in this thread.