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Horsepoo!!! · Apr 26, 2004, 10:32 AM

Originally posted by godzookie2k:
kid, I'm long since out of college.

Doesn't show. You seem to think there's one way to do things and everyone should be damned if they don't do it that way.

godzookie2k · Apr 26, 2004, 10:48 AM

so you have to make this personal since the justification for the feature is so weak?

Horsepoo!!! · Apr 26, 2004, 10:52 AM

Originally posted by godzookie2k:
so you have to make this personal since the justification for the feature is so weak?

You started it...big baby.

godzookie2k · Apr 26, 2004, 10:54 AM

hahahaha oh yeah, right!

Amorya · Apr 26, 2004, 08:25 PM

Why on earth does every post about Fire turn into a flame war?

I like Fire. I used it since 10.0. I'm using Adium at the moment because I had a problem with a certain build of Fire pre-1.0. If 1.0 is better I may switch back, as I find some of the interface a bit more logical in Fire, and IMO I just feel more in control of the program. Although Adium is nice, and from what I hear will soon add all my favourite features!

I've tried Proteus in the past and didn't like it at all - I didn't like the interface, didn't understand the toolbar icons, and couldn't fathom all the prefs. It may be better now, but it didn't ahve that intuitive quality that Fire does. In its favour, it did what it was supposed to and seemed to work ok.

Anyhow, why flame someone for using a different IM client? (Yes, I know half the flames are responses to other flames, but that's beside the point.) If you really dislike Fire, you can always ignore this thread, or post how to make the program better. With free software, there's no reason why you can't have many alternatives installed at once - it's not like you're being disloyal if you aid the competition.

Amorya

ambush · Apr 26, 2004, 09:05 PM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
I don't see it..

http://colloquy.info/screenshots.html

Look closer. Or something.

Zimphire · Apr 26, 2004, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by Amorya:
Why on earth does every post about Fire turn into a flame war?

Because certain people have emotional ties to software.

Wevah · Apr 28, 2004, 05:55 AM

I like Fire. It's what I use, partly because it's free, and partly because I can look at (and potentially help fix) every single bit of code that goes into it, if I so choose.

There's really no need to get this emotional over these things...but then, we're only human (right?).

:D

Fonzie · Apr 28, 2004, 06:37 AM

Whoever made the Fire interface should be shot(in a not so harmful way ofcourse) It looks so goddamn ugly. And the smileys?? What were they thinking? LOL
Anyways I stopped using it although I changed nearly all the gfx in it - only because I couldn't be sure if someone got my files I sent over MSN. Sometimes it worked but often other people just didn't get the file(s) at all. annoying.
Then it's better not to have it at all like in Proteus4 (which I'm using because I find it the most appealing) Even though I hated it in the beginning because of lack of this and that. But now I've come to terms with Proteus.

Wevah · Apr 28, 2004, 07:05 AM

Yeah, I agree about some of that. I really don't like many of the interface icons, and the service icons are pretty bad (especially AIM's). Was there some lawsuit or something filed against the Fire developers for using the actual AIM logo? If there wasn't, then the change was completely unnecessary, IMHO.

Zimphire · Apr 28, 2004, 08:43 AM

Use the Fire smileys. They look nicer.

The reason I USE Fire is because of the GUI. Simple and clean.

Horsepoo!!! · Apr 28, 2004, 09:06 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Use the Fire smileys. They look nicer.

The reason I USE Fire is because of the GUI. Simple and clean.

Wevah · Apr 28, 2004, 10:29 AM

I don't have a problem with Fire's smilies: I have them turned off. I'm talking about the interface icons and service icons.

Zimphire · Apr 28, 2004, 09:10 PM

Originally posted by Horsepoo!!!:

It must SUCK hating something as silly as a computer program to the extent that you have to post something Negative about it anytime anyone has anything good to say about it.

Don't like it? Cool. Stop being a whiner.

Horsepoo!!! · Apr 28, 2004, 09:13 PM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
It must SUCK hating something as silly as a computer program ...

It sure is silly.

Actually I just hate your attitude. The program is okay, but you gotta change your attitude. And the false claims you make about Fire having buddy pictures for MSN is just wrong on so many levels.

Zimphire · Apr 29, 2004, 01:03 PM

I never said Fire had buddy icons for MSN.

Please stop being a jerk.

THX.

Horsepoo!!! · Apr 29, 2004, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
I never said Fire had buddy icons for MSN.

Please stop being a jerk.

THX.

You did. You mentioned MSN buddy icons and file transfer and then I said "not buddy icons" and then you said something to the effect that I hadn't used Fire lately. And then you spent a few posts dodging everyone's question about MSN buddy icons which are available in Adium and Proteus anyways (and much better integrated in these two apps than Fire)...making your point about buddy icons pretty moot especially since the MSN buddy icon claim you made is false.

Zimphire · Apr 29, 2004, 04:46 PM

Originally posted by Horsepoo!!!:
I agree...as soon as Proteus gets group chat, buddy pictures and file transfer, I have no idea why someone would even consider the official client.

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Wow Fire already has those.

Originally posted by Horsepoo!!!:

Not buddy picts.

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Yes Buddy pics. You haven't used Fire lately have you?

No mention of MSN at all. ( I was referring to the buddy pics supported in the other IM services like AIM)

Stop putting words into my mouth.

Horsepoo!!! · Apr 29, 2004, 04:57 PM

Originally posted by Zimphire:

No mention of MSN at all. ( I was referring to the buddy pics supported in the other IM services like AIM)

Stop putting words into my mouth.

That's because you're too braindead to read everything in-context...I was talking about MSN in my first post but it think it's a bit much to ask you to read before you post, eh?

Zimphire · Apr 29, 2004, 05:15 PM

Brain washed? Huh?

The post I replied to said nothing of MSN. It doesn't matter what you thought I should have done.

That is of no concern.

But hey, if you want to continue to hiss and honk about it. Go right ahead.

Master Yoda · 02:56 PM

I've been using Fire since Public Beta, but this weekend I found that Adium has matured enough to warrant a switch from Fire 1.0.

Don't get me wrong, Fire 1.0 is most excellent, and a great achievement for all the guys on the FireList.

But the fact that all my nicknames for my buddies are uploaded and downloaded from AIM's servers means my last obstacle against switching is gone.

One quick question: Since everybody here says Proteus use's GAIM libfaim, and GAIM is GPL, where's Proteus's source?

**UPDATE**
My bad, libfaim is under LGPL. And my favorite AIM client away from home is Pork!

proton · May 3, 2004, 12:43 AM

Proteus uses imservices with IPC methods to connect to it. It is this architecture that allows Proteus to have a "remote connect" feature, or to not completely crash when a single service may crash.

The source for imservices is open source and licensed under the GPL. Proteus is just a GUI that connects to the imservices backend, using IPC and hence is not covered under the GPL.

The source for imservices is available here:
http://www.proteusx.com/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/

Or via anonymous SVN (subversion):
svn co svn://proteusx.com/svn/imservices/

- proton

Horsepoo!!! · May 3, 2004, 08:26 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Brain washed? Huh?

The post I replied to said nothing of MSN. It doesn't matter what you thought I should have done.

That is of no concern.

But hey, if you want to continue to hiss and honk about it. Go right ahead.

Well then if Fire doesn't have buddy icon...it sucks.

Tick · May 3, 2004, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by Amorya:
If 1.0 is better I may switch back, as I find some of the interface a bit more logical in Fire

[snip]

Amorya

What's more logical? No flamewar, I'm not looking for people to call me a name or to call people names, I'm just wanting to know how it is more usable.

Zimphire · May 3, 2004, 04:31 PM

I think it's subjective. I used Adium yesterday and hated the layout.

Tick · May 3, 2004, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
I think it's subjective. I used Adium yesterday and hated the layout.

What about it did you hate?

Zimphire · May 3, 2004, 04:35 PM

Originally posted by Tick:
What about it did you hate?

I like layouts like iChat and Fire.

Tick · May 3, 2004, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
I like layouts like iChat and Fire.

A *little* more description... what do you mean by layouts? Is it the chat window, the preferences, the contact list? etc.

ambush · May 3, 2004, 08:07 PM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
I like layouts like iChat and Fire.

I like pink bunnies.

Horsepoo!!! · May 3, 2004, 09:24 PM

Originally posted by Tick:
A *little* more description... what do you mean by layouts? Is it the chat window, the preferences, the contact list? etc.

You won't get much out of him. He just likes Fire...because...yeah...

Also...it has 'buddy pictures'.

vcutag · May 3, 2004, 10:32 PM

Can anybody reccomend a good IM client that will allow you to make direct connections to insert pics directly into the conversation? I'm currently using Adium (just downloaded it today, I really like it), but I haven't figured out how to do that with it just yet...

Tick · May 3, 2004, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by vcutag:
Can anybody reccomend a good IM client that will allow you to make direct connections to insert pics directly into the conversation? I'm currently using Adium (just downloaded it today, I really like it), but I haven't figured out how to do that with it just yet...

Which protocol?

vcutag · May 3, 2004, 11:50 PM

Originally posted by Tick:
Which protocol?

AIM.

Fellow2000 · May 4, 2004, 07:38 AM

Originally posted by vcutag:
AIM.

iChat does a great job of this. If you just drag the file into the area where you normally type, it will send the file to them online If you drag the file to their name in the buddy list, it will send the file via direct connect.

Horsepoo!!! · May 4, 2004, 08:11 AM

If you only need AIM...I think iChat provides by far the best experience out of any AIM client.

If you need AIM+other protocols...then Adium and Proteus are ok.

Proteus allows inline images but only by providing URLs I believe.

vcutag · May 4, 2004, 10:27 AM

Originally posted by Horsepoo!!!:
If you only need AIM...I think iChat provides by far the best experience out of any AIM client.

If you need AIM+other protocols...then Adium and Proteus are ok.

Proteus allows inline images but only by providing URLs I believe.

Right... which iChat doesn't. This is why I don't use iChat, I don't like the interface, and trying to direct-connect is a royal pain. I went back to the (even crappier) AIM interface because of this.

Zimphire · May 4, 2004, 10:39 AM

Originally posted by Tick:
A *little* more description... what do you mean by layouts? Is it the chat window, the preferences, the contact list? etc.

The chat window layouts, and the chat list layout in particular.

Tick · May 4, 2004, 11:06 AM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
The chat window layouts, and the chat list layout in particular.

Can you be more descriptive? I don't have much to go on with what you said, you could mean 1 of 100 things here.

Zimphire · May 4, 2004, 11:59 AM

Originally posted by Tick:
Can you be more descriptive? I don't have much to go on with what you said, you could mean 1 of 100 things here.

Can you not see the difference between the Fire layout and the Adium layout?

Adium has no bounds or "edges" but just a titlebar and a listing. It looks shoddy to me.

Fire has not only top but bottom "grabbibilty"

Fire is more layed out like iChat as well. Adium isn't. As far as the chat windows themselves go, The same thing applies. Adium just looks "Thrown together"

I know it's still a beta now. Things will probably change. If in the future Adium looks better, and works better than Fire, I will probably switch. I see no reason to now.

Go load both of them up and check them out.

Tick · May 4, 2004, 12:08 PM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Can you not see the difference between the Fire layout and the Adium layout?

Adium has no bounds or "edges" but just a titlebar and a listing. It looks shoddy to me.

Fire has not only top but bottom "grabbibilty"

Fire is more layed out like iChat as well. Adium isn't. As far as the chat windows themselves go, The same thing applies. Adium just looks "Thrown together"

I know it's still a beta now. Things will probably change. If in the future Adium looks better, and works better than Fire, I will probably switch. I see no reason to now.

Go load both of them up and check them out.

The reason I was asking is that I'm part of the group that works with adium, and was seeing if you had any reason other than the icons in the list (which you did). I've checked out fire, it's not my style and I can't see myself using it, but if it's your thing, go ahead.

I was asking for more verbosity for this reason.

Zimphire · May 4, 2004, 03:22 PM

I like the icons in the list too.

Fire just looks more polished at the moment.

IMHO.

jjs357 · 09:35 PM

Is it just me or did Yahoo change how it handles 3'rd party IM clients AGAIN.

Suddenly this evening, Fire 1.02 won't connect.

I can still connect to Yahoo using Yahoo's own IM client.

PS Checked on sourceForge and I see that GAIM users are also reporting a Yahoo outage.

I believe that Fire shares some Yahoo access code from GAIM

Wevah · Jun 24, 2004, 07:46 PM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
I think it's subjective. I used Adium yesterday and hated the layout.

It's totally subjective. 100% subjective.

Subjective.

Use what you want; I do.

Zimphire · Jun 25, 2004, 12:39 AM

I agree since I am now using Adium.

I got used to the layout, and actually prefer it.

jjs357 · Jun 25, 2004, 10:18 PM

Fire 1.03 is out and fixes the Yahoo authentication problem I reported recently.

Nice to see a rapid solution to this problem.

Although Yahoo is on record that it will change its protocol at will to try and keep third party clients from participating in Yahoo IM (claims it's to prevent access by "spammers").

juanvaldes · Jun 26, 2004, 12:46 AM

Although Yahoo is on record that it will change its protocol at will to try and keep third party clients from participating in Yahoo IM (claims it's to prevent access by "spammers").

**BULLSHIT***

Amazingly enough it appears the folks who make Trillain (windows multi client) fixed the yahoo problem and released the code. So if you need yahoo update your preferred client.