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Oct 23, 2009, 06:36 PM
 
I'm quite old now. And I've decided it's time I drank whisky or rum over beer.

Can anyone recommend a good intro guide to the types and what makes good spirits? Any personal brand recommendations?
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Oct 23, 2009, 07:13 PM
 
Whiskys to try!!

Glenmorangie 10 year - Standard
Highland Park 12- One of my favs
Laphroaig - Smokey
Jamersons - Smokey
Red Breast 12- Another fav

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Rums to try

Morgan Spiced
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Oct 23, 2009, 07:18 PM
 
While we’re at it, who makes a good Bourbon whiskey?
     
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Oct 23, 2009, 07:20 PM
 
thanks. I'll check em out.
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I like Maker's Mark. It's pretty good for the price.
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Oct 24, 2009, 10:08 PM
 
Rum - Mount Gay. tasty and on the cheaper side of things.
     
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Oct 24, 2009, 10:37 PM
 
Originally Posted by richwig83 View Post
Whiskys to try!!

Highland Park 12- One of my favs
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Seconded:
http://www.bevmo.com/Shop/ProductDet...&ProductID=714

and Tullamore Dew 12 Year Old Whiskey:
http://www.bevmo.com/Shop/ProductDet...ID=11066&No=20

and don't forget Bourbon: Corner Creek Reserve Bourbon
http://www.bevmo.com/Shop/ProductDet...tID=8572&No=60
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Oct 24, 2009, 10:53 PM
 
I'll probably be shut down as low brow, but I like Jack Daniels, Crown Royal, or Pendelton.
     
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Oct 25, 2009, 01:31 AM
 
Ahhhh, a man after my own heart! (But hopefully, not my budget!)

Now, go out and buy random bottles of alcohol and see what you like best.

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Originally Posted by Gankdawg View Post
I'll probably be shut down as low brow, but I like Jack Daniels, Crown Royal, or Pendelton.
I don't understand why somebody would hate on Jack. That is a fine whiskey.
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Oct 25, 2009, 02:27 AM
 
How old are you? Drink cognac.
     
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Oct 25, 2009, 08:03 AM
 
Originally Posted by Chuckit View Post
I don't understand why somebody would hate on Jack. That is a fine whiskey.
I can't stand it. It's too sweet and has no rough edge to it.
I'll take Bells or Famous Grouse over JD.
     
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Oct 25, 2009, 09:39 AM
 
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I don't understand why somebody would hate on Jack. That is a fine whiskey.
9 parts Jack, .5 parts Coke and .5 parts ice!!!
     
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Oct 25, 2009, 10:21 AM
 
Bushmill’s is a pretty delicious and not outrageously expensive whiskey too.
     
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Oct 25, 2009, 10:28 AM
 
jack and coke (zero) are one of the major food groups; gotta have it!

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Oct 25, 2009, 12:13 PM
 
I'm not much of a whiskey fan but I discovered some nice rums when I lived in Trinidad. You may have heard of Angostura bitters... It turns out the House of Angostura is also a major producer of rum (and several other products I think are only sold in Trinidad & Tobago). They produce a couple of fine dark rums; 1919 and 1824. 1824 is pretty expensive but is produced via a rather elaborate process producing a smooth and unique rum. Both are blended rums made from molasses. A couple of other fine rums from Trinidad are Zaya Gran Reserva and 10 Cane. 10 Cane is unique in that it is made from the juice of the first pressing of sugar cane stalks. It has a light flavor and is awesome in mixed drinks like a mojito or daiquiri. 10 Cane is produced by Moët Hennessy.
     
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Oct 25, 2009, 12:21 PM
 
12 year old Single Malt Glenlivit. Excellent.
     
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Originally Posted by lexapro View Post
12 year old Single Malt Glenlivit. Excellent.
This.

Although if you can swing the 25 year..... do it!

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Oct 25, 2009, 03:18 PM
 
Laphroaig is great.
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Oct 25, 2009, 03:43 PM
 
Quinta Ruban Glenmorangie. Hmmm.
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Oct 25, 2009, 03:49 PM
 
Bourbon.

Maker's Mark and Bulleit are both good. I don't mind Jack either, even though it isn't bourbon.
     
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Oct 25, 2009, 04:19 PM
 
do you drink it neat?
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Oct 25, 2009, 08:11 PM
 
Maker's Mark on the rocks. I am definitely a Bourbon lover. There are other good bourbons out there, some good straight or on the rocks, and others mixed with ginger ale (my preference) or cola.

I also drink my vodka on the rocks with only a twist. I have never liked rum and am not a fan of scotch. On the rare occasion I drink a Manhattan, I prefer them with Canadian Club, or even better, VO.
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Oct 25, 2009, 09:28 PM
 
Originally Posted by Peter View Post
Laphroaig is great.
It may taste like licking a freshly tarred and asphalted street, but for inexplicable reasons it is great. I usually keep a bottle of the 10 year handy, since anything older is out of my budget.
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Oct 25, 2009, 09:43 PM
 
Bourbons:

Classic Cask 13 or 15 Year (21 Year is great too if you can find it)

Four Roses Small Batch or Single Barrel

Buffalo Trace

Rum:

Havana Club 7 (Cuban)
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Oct 25, 2009, 10:00 PM
 
Hmmm, several Havana Club 7 recommendations... I'll have to give that one a try again; I had a bottle a few years back and at the time wasn't very impressed!

My rum recommendations (made from looking over at my cabinet! ):

Appleton's Estate Extra
Flor de Cana Reserve 7 years
Mount Gay Extra Old
Vizcaya VXOP
And of course, Newfoundland Screech! *chest bump*

And finally, if you want to blow a LOT of money for a single rum that will impress everyone and that you'll sip from for a year:

Pyrat Cask 1623

(Bought it with a buddy as self-graduation present a few years back... oh, oh, oh was it worth the couple hundred bucks. )

Have at 'er!

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Originally Posted by ShortcutToMoncton View Post
Mount Gay Extra Old
I have no experience with this beverage, but...
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Oct 26, 2009, 12:46 AM
 
Man I do love rum.... wonderful spiced rum...

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There are many different styles of whisk(e)y and rum and you should try things in different styles to try to figure out what you like. Bourbon and Irish whiskey tend to be on the sweeter side, while a key characteristic of Scotch is some presence of smoke and peat due to the way it's made (there is a little bit in many scotches, even if they aren't the "super smoky/peaty" style that is typical of the Islay region). A good reference is F. Paul Pacult's "Kindred Spirits 2" or relevant books from Michael Jackson (no not that one).

I won't bother describing these as it's best if you figure it out for yourself. But these are all worth a try. In many cases, the brands have several varieties (e.g. different ages, different wood finish), so if it's not specified, play around with different ones. Older is more expensive and different but not always better. These categories all have different production methods that can significantly affect the taste.

Bourbon:
Van Winkle 12 year old
Pappy Van Winkle 20 year old
W. L. Weller (or William Larue Weller)
Michter's
Elijah Craig
Four Roses
Corner Creek
Rock Hill Farms
Bulleit
Eagle Rare 17 yr old

[There is also American rye whisky, a great but different and much smaller category; see Rittenhouse Rye 23 yr old and others. Generally spicier.]

Irish:
Middleton Very Rare
Redbreast
Bushmills
Jameson (12 yr old or older)

Scotch (very roughly, sweeter to smokier):
Auchentoshan 3 wood
Balvenie Double Wood
Macallan 12 Year Old Sherry Oak
Macallan 15 Year Old Fine Oak
Glenmorangie
Oban 14 yr old
Highland Park
Talisker
Lagavulin 16 yr old
Laphroaig (try Quarter Cask first)
Ardbeg (try Uigeadail or Airigh Nam Beist first)

Japanese:
Suntory Yamazaki (12 yr old and 18 yr old)

Rum (focus on sipping rums):
Ron Zacapa Centenario 23 yr old
Ron Matusalem Gran Reserva
Havana Club Cask Strength (Blue Label)
Flor de Cana 7 yr old
Barbancourt 15 yr old
Angostura 1919

[edit] oops, about how to drink them. Ice is not good as it "closes up" the spirit (you may have heard about "letting things open up" or whatever -- this is the opposite). Water can help some spirits open up, particularly if they are overproof (over 80pf/40% alcohol). Sometimes even a few drops is enough to do it, odd though it sounds. Often, when trying spirits and coming from low-proof stuff like beer or wine, the alcohol level is so high that it's hard to acclimate. Everything will taste like burning and you won't understand what anyone is going on about. Ice can help in the beginning as the "closing up" actually kills a lot of the aggressiveness, partly by making the drink really cold (bad), and partly by dilution (fine). What you want to do is slowly work up to drinking without chilling the spirit, and without *over*diluting. Try something good neat. If it's too harsh, add a few drops of water and try again (even being out in the air can help things open up, so time can substitute for water). If it's still too harsh, add again. Find a reasonable level for you. If it all tastes off at first, get used to it with ice, and slowly switch from ice to water and eventually to nothing for whiskies that don't need it (this is what I had to do). It takes a little time to get used to it.

Also, a lot of flavor is in the smell (the "nose"). Get in the habit of smelling things. If you try to stick your nose into a glass of spirits as if it's a glass of wine, you will find it will blow out your nose with the first whiff. Don't do that. Sniff lightly from a few inches above the glass so you don't catch alcohol burn in your nose. A trick that helps is opening your mouth while sniffing; this reduces burn significantly. Another important factor is the kind of glassware, as some shapes concentrate the alcohol aromas (the standard "brandy snifter" is a classic retarded glass like this) and others focus the flavors (appropriate Riedel or other tasting glassware), while others let the aromas dissipate (rocks/old fashioned glass).

Also, cocktails can be a great way to introduce yourself to a spirit gently (e.g. in whiskey, things like Manhattan, Old Fashioned, Sazerac, Vieux Carré), but they are not easy to make well, and unless you really know what you're doing, you need to go to a specialty bar to have them made properly, or you will get drinks that bear no resemblance to the real thing. Unfortunately, these places only exist in certain locations. There are a bunch of places in New York, London, Seattle, San Francisco, Paris, Tokyo, DC, etc, but not a huge number of other places.[/edit]

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Originally Posted by gorgonzola View Post
Auchentoshan 3 wood
Can't stand whiskey myself (I suppose my dislike stems from an incident with my sadistic grandfather when I was 9), but a friend who considers himself a connoisseur recently discovered this and sings it's praises. I travel to Glasgow quite a bit for work and always pick up a bottle or two for gifts in the airport and they have been warmly received.

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Originally Posted by gorgonzola View Post
Rum (focus on sipping rums):
Ron Zacapa Centenario 23 yr old
Ron Matusalem Gran Reserva
Havana Club Cask Strength (Blue Label)
Flor de Cana 7 yr old
Barbancourt 15 yr old
Angostura 1919
You know, I got a bottle of the Ron Matusalem out here a couple years ago, and enjoyed it but wanted another try before I made it a regular. Unfortunately liquor sales are limited to provincially-controlled alcohol stores, and it seems in the last few years they've decided to do a lot of cost-cutting and eliminate some of the poorer-selling products. Hence, no Pyrat or Duvel or Ron Matusalem for me....

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Oct 26, 2009, 11:28 AM
 
I can't believe no one's mentioned Blanton's. So ridiculously good.
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Rum:



Found this a few years ago. Oldest rum in the world, the water is coral filtered. And it's cheaper than Sailor Jerry's. Absolutely delicious.

And for the best drink in the world (Dark N Stormy), you need this:

     
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Does Mount Gay Rum also produce Schmidt's Gay Beer?
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Oct 26, 2009, 05:57 PM
 
To add to Rob's post: as myself and several others mentioned earlier, Mount Gay rums in general are great... but if you shell out a little more money than you'd spend for the Eclipse, you get the Mount Gay Extra Old.

And you want to get the Extra Old. You just want to.

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Shortcut: Is it that much better? Every time I've splurged on rum, I've been disappointed. It tastes too alcoholy, and less rumm-ish. Pyrat for example, was horrible. I'd much rather sip/drink Mt Gay straight, than Pyrat. Mt Gay Extra Old is intriguing though... but I've seen St. James spoken highly of as well, and if I'm going to splurge, why not go all out?
     
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Absolutely, the Pyrat XO is a tad on the harsh side if you're going to go straight - but add a bit of coke and you can see where it gets the name, because the flavor is awesome. (The Pyrat Cask 1623, now.... oh **** man, it's friggin amazing! Insanely good! But you pay for it of course....)

But the Mount Gay Extra Old is noticeably smoother than the Pyrat, for sure. Much better if you're going to sip it, and I find it's much better than the Eclipse as well if you're drinking straight. Give it a try, see what you think....

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I'll pick some up in a few days and report back. But Pyrat... was not at all impressed with. Tasted like something I'd clean car parts with.
     
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I really agree about not being too old for beer. Beer is so versatile and some beers are fun (Miller High Life, I'm looking at you) and others are serious (Westvleteren 12, Rochefort 10, Pliny the Elder, Baladin Nora, Duvel, Saison Dupont, Rodenbach Grand Cru, Cantillon Grand Cru, Alesmith Speedway Stout, etc.). But it's really something that should be enjoyed any season by anyone, and the whole category has avoided the annoying stuffiness that comes with certain other beverages (yes, wine, you fermented grape drank, this means you).

For people who like sipping rum, I really recommend trying Ron Zacapa 23 year old some time. It's pretty affordable, like a lot of rum is, and a hell of a thing. It's usually my ace in the hole when I'm trying to convince someone that rum is a serious spirit to be enjoyed on its own. I'm also a big fan of the Angostura 1919, which seems underappreciated. But please don't put Coke in such good rum! If you want to mix it there are better ways.
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Like?
Well, toss a lime in there and you get a proper Cuba Libre. Beyond that, I vastly prefer a mojito (and all it's variations). A proper (aka. non-blended) daiquiri is also excellent. There are tons of other rum drinks too. If you go to a really good bar (or even a seedy one) with a very knowledgeable bartender, they'll edjamicate you. The key is to find someone who knows what they're doing.
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Ever drink dark n stormies?
     
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You can use the Zacapa in a rum Sazerac, but not that much else. It's kind of sweet and hard to mix if nothing else. But Dark and Stormy, particularly with fresh ginger syrup. Daiquiri with fresh lime juice (generally use a white rum like Flor de Cana 4). Hemingway Daiquiri. Rum Old-Fashioned (try with Barbancourt 15, some of the others become too sweet). Daisy de Santiago. Honeysuckle. A lot of these use white rums, though, not aged rum. A mojito with fresh mint and a mix of dark and aged rums (1:1) is great. There are also some nice tiki-style drinks that use multiple rums in one drink (e.g. the Zombie), but with all these you have to be careful with the proportions or they become too sweet or whatever. A lot of the recipes on internet sites are wrong or terrible, but there are classic old books with such recipes in them. What Arty50 said, you need to find someone who knows what they're doing and doesn't use sour mix, free pour, make things too sweet, not make things cold enough, etc.
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thanks a ton guys. especially ghporter and downinflames68. will report back....
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With this much testing ahead of you, you might not want to report back too soon. Or no one will understand the test results.
     
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my housemate runs a student bar, and my cousin runs the top local cocktail bar (with tons of spirits and knowledgeable staff) - gonna be a long (short?) few weeks of trials...
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